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Will high-fat coconut products disrupt the beneficial (and weight loss) effects of ZC?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created August 21, 2011 at 1:51 PM

I just decided to go ZC for a few weeks to help get my body back on track after a bit of a disastrous food week. I was on vacation and totally fell off the wagon.

I was eating strictly paleo before, with a particular emphasis on fat and limiting carbs, since I'm trying to lose those last 10 lbs. I would say i was 70-80% fat, 15-20% protein, and 5% carbs.

Since I started ZC, I've found it difficult to keep my fat percentage that high (I don't eat dairy). Apparently all those coconut products were really bumping up my percentages.

Will adding high-fat coconut products affect my weight-loss results for ZC if I still keep my carbs under 10 g or so? I'm thinking a little more carbs in exchange for significantly more MCT fat might actually be beneficial. I'd appreciate anyone's thoughts on this.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on August 22, 2011
at 02:14 AM

I don't do it on a daily basis, since my menu doesn't really change much. But when I do put it into Nutritiondata.com, I run at about 30-35% protein, 65-70% fat, and trace carbs from eggs, etc. (more when I eat liver once in a while). And I'm at around 1700-1900 calories.

D3e84d1c744652b7447ab65877d14971

(325)

on August 22, 2011
at 01:39 AM

Rose, do you calculate your daily carb, fat, and protein percentages? If so, what do you average daily?

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on August 22, 2011
at 12:34 AM

Yeah I am not confused by any of this discussion and quite frankly that is worrisome since everyone else seems to be.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on August 22, 2011
at 12:33 AM

And it's Rose for the win!

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on August 22, 2011
at 12:20 AM

I'm confused by this whole discussion in the comments, lol. To me, ZC is effectively around 2-3 grams of carbs per day, maybe slightly more if you're eating more than a couple eggs, or are chowing down on liver that day. And an overall emphasis on animal products. But that's a semantic quibble, I guess, due to the confusing "zero-carb" moniker. I suppose someday that should be fixed. Carnivore? All-meat? And I have no idea what "ZC with carbs" is -- maybe something like "vegan with meat."

Cab7e4ef73c5d7d7a77e1c3d7f5773a1

(7314)

on August 21, 2011
at 08:54 PM

And shellfish .

11838116de44ae449df0563f09bd3d73

(655)

on August 21, 2011
at 08:01 PM

actually I'm currently doing VLC. I just can't figure out "ZC with carbs". A way to punish yourself for eating naughty? If the diets going to get really minimalist it needs to be carefully designed.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on August 21, 2011
at 07:37 PM

Gotta respectfully disagree Don. Some of us here effectively use VLC/ZC to get "back on track." For my body there is no better way to get back into fat burning mode and eliminate cravings than to slash carbs to the bone. To my mind ZC is nothing like the Atkins fat fast. There is no/very little protein intake on the fat fast. Can't say that about ZC. I agree that a fat fast is short term but some live years on ZC/VLC and seem to do quite well. I happen to think both are or certainly can be paleo as well.

11838116de44ae449df0563f09bd3d73

(655)

on August 21, 2011
at 07:21 PM

I'm not sure why you think doing ZC will get your "body back on track". A true ZC would be something like the Atkins Fat Fast, which lasts a couple days. Neither is Paleo

11838116de44ae449df0563f09bd3d73

(655)

on August 21, 2011
at 07:19 PM

.......and if it does, it was worth it.

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5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

(6097)

on August 21, 2011
at 02:47 PM

Coconut will never do you wrong.

11838116de44ae449df0563f09bd3d73

(655)

on August 21, 2011
at 07:19 PM

.......and if it does, it was worth it.

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66974b2cb291799dcd661b7dec99a9e2

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on August 21, 2011
at 06:34 PM

I am LC-VLC and use coconut oil a lot. I pour some melted coconut oil into a plastic container stir in some toasted, shredded organic coconut and then put it in the fridge to harden up. Then I break it into pieces and eat it like candy. My son loves this too. I have also added dried cherries, blueberries, cranberries, etc.

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3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on August 22, 2011
at 12:27 AM

It is hard to keep fat up over 70% on ZC/animals-only, especially if you're not eating dairy (or seal blubber). I know of some ZC people who eat coconut oil to keep their fat in there, and it doesn't seem to give them weight problems. The other coconut products I'd be a little more leery of if you're extremely carb- or plant-sensitive, as I am.

But, as always, the only way to know how your body is going to react is to give it a try. If you weren't gaining or experiencing other health issues on carb levels above ZC before, you might not have any problem with adding some of the carbier coconut things to get their fatty goodness.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on August 22, 2011
at 02:14 AM

I don't do it on a daily basis, since my menu doesn't really change much. But when I do put it into Nutritiondata.com, I run at about 30-35% protein, 65-70% fat, and trace carbs from eggs, etc. (more when I eat liver once in a while). And I'm at around 1700-1900 calories.

D3e84d1c744652b7447ab65877d14971

(325)

on August 22, 2011
at 01:39 AM

Rose, do you calculate your daily carb, fat, and protein percentages? If so, what do you average daily?

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7255a87872b75e6f691d84dca769b87e

on August 21, 2011
at 03:44 PM

Are you saying you'd be getting your carbs from coconut milk? If so, don't worry about it. Ten grams of carbs won't provoke a significant insulin response (I can't find the source right now but I've seen that ten grams of carbs in ONE MEAL won't cause a large insulin response), especially if you spread it out throughout the day. The medium chain triglycerides will fuel you and those carbs will head to your liver to become stored glycogen. Does coconut oil have carbs? Most oils don't. You could try spoonfuls of that. Make sure you're getting enough vitamins and minerals on zero carb, with lots of grassfed meat, and probably some organs too.

Cab7e4ef73c5d7d7a77e1c3d7f5773a1

(7314)

on August 21, 2011
at 08:54 PM

And shellfish .

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