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Is it possible to use coconut butter or milk in a ketogenic fast?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created March 01, 2011 at 3:22 PM

I don't think I could actually down quite that much straight coconut oil, much as I like it. Is it possible to use Artisana coconut butter or coconut milk or even avocado to replace some of the coconut oil or would the small amounts of carbs and protein keep this out of the ketogenic fast* range.

*as in the Perfect Health Diet

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at 08:22 AM

Sorry to be off topic, but I have to say "autophagy" is one of most disturbingly cool words out there. I picture someone chewing on their own hand.

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As long as you don't consume that many carbs you will induce the autophagy. I agree, I can only do so much coconut oil at a time.

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Though honestly, when I read an example (on his blog, I think?) of what he considers a fast-meal, with microwaved spinach, coconut oil, and cranberries, I felt like it wasn't in the spirit of an actual fast -- or even what Atkins calls a fat-fast -- at all. Maybe we need a new name for this kind of eating strategy.

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on March 05, 2011
at 03:56 AM

The short chain fats in coconut oil are supposed to produce ketones anyway so I don't see how that would be a problem. Jaminet recommends fats and fiber during a fast so an avocado might be all right, not sure though. I guess you just need to ask yourself, is what I'm about to eat mostly fat and/or fiber.

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on March 05, 2011
at 03:33 PM

Though honestly, when I read an example (on his blog, I think?) of what he considers a fast-meal, with microwaved spinach, coconut oil, and cranberries, I felt like it wasn't in the spirit of an actual fast -- or even what Atkins calls a fat-fast -- at all. Maybe we need a new name for this kind of eating strategy.

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on July 31, 2011
at 02:28 PM

Here is a great post about what makes a diet ketogenic.... To quote from it:

So we have three ways to make the diet ketogenic:

1) Make Wilder???s ???ketogenic ratio??? high by eating a lot of fat, very few carbs, and not too much protein.

2) Supplement with the ketogenic amino acids lysine and leucine.

3) Supplement with coconut oil or another source of short-chain fats.

If we do (2) or (3), then the diet can be ketogenic even if it has a fair number of carbs.

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on July 31, 2011
at 02:20 PM

Keep the avocado portion small (like 1/2 a Hass avocado) and you should be fine. Also, you can mix a small amount of coconut butter into the coconut oil to improve its palatability, eliminating the chance of consuming too much coconut butter and knocking yourself out of ketosis.

If the coconut milk was pure (no guar gum or other additives) small quantities should be ok as well.

Are you including macadamia nuts in your fast? In Atkins (the chapter devoted to the Kekwick "fat fast") he seems to think that they are fine for deep ketosis. Also, egg yolks, some small amounts of fatty beef (~2oz) and avocado (the aforementioned 1/2 portion).

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on July 31, 2011
at 08:13 AM

i'd go for the coconut butter. i almost never do coconut oil straight anymore, i loooove artisana's coconut butter though, and probably could eat a whole jar in a sitting...i think there are only 2 net carbs in a serving. (7 carbs, 5 fiber) or something like that.

i believe avocado has more carbs.

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on March 05, 2011
at 02:58 AM

I think so. Give it a try.

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