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I really want to eat Coconut

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created August 25, 2012 at 11:24 PM

Here's my deal: I've got severe rheumatoid arthritis and I'm only 23. I've had it since I was 18. The Paleo diet has helped tremendously by making flare-ups a thing of the past, however there is still lots of inflammation. I'm underweight and always looking for ways to get healthy fats in me.

When I eat coconut/coconut butter, I feel great. I feel energetic, satiated, in a good mood, mentally clear. The problem is, my joints flare up like crazy. I'm not really sure why. Especially since coconut (butter) is touted as a powerfully healthful food. Hack away? I'd like to participate in the glorious coconut rainbow of goodness.

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on August 30, 2012
at 05:58 PM

Large doses of vitamin E (in supplement rather than food form) may carry significant risks: http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/VitaminE-HealthProfessional/#h7. Bleeding risk and increased prostate cancer risk seem to be the main potential concerns. Food is better medicine.

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on August 30, 2012
at 03:10 AM

Make sure your diet has sufficient anto-oxidants if you take a higher dose Vitamin E natural mixed - 500mg day and vit C 1000mg day (I like Ester C) and lots of polyphenols in fruit and veg

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on August 28, 2012
at 01:08 PM

1500mg is enough for maintenance, 5 grams is recommended for people with inflammatory conditions, like me. Severe rheumatoid arthritis.

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

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on August 28, 2012
at 01:07 PM

It's 5 grams of omega 3, EPA+DHA. Not 5 grams of fish oil that contains omega 3. I use Nordic Naturals liquid omega 3 oil in an opaque blue bottle, refrigerated. It's serious stuff.

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on August 27, 2012
at 10:45 PM

Coconut - is a seed, so that is why you might be reacting. Like others said - protein is what you react to. Not pure fat. coconut oil without any coconut protein in it might be okay, if there is NO coconut protein at all.

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on August 27, 2012
at 10:42 PM

5 grams of omega 3 - is that 5 capsules or 5 g EPA+ DHA? Most 1000mg caps contain about 300mg EPA+DHA omega 3. So 5 caps is aobut 1500 omega 3. That's enough - especially if you eat fish as well

43e9d0f324c2fc8b5f283786a1e3bf4f

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on August 27, 2012
at 05:23 AM

That's quite a lot of omega 3. There are some safety concerns with that high a dosage (chiefly bleeding) - http://www.livestrong.com/article/434584-safe-dosage-of-omega-3-for-arthritis. But I also see where that high a dosage was considered safe enough for trials - http://www.aafp.org/afp/2004/0701/p133.html. Perhaps cutting out coconut protein (DCing the coconut meat, milk, & cream in favor of only coconut oil) is a safer experiment than going up on the omega 3s.

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on August 27, 2012
at 01:53 AM

I take 5 grams of omega 3s a day, plus I eat 1-2 servings of wildcaught oily fish every day (salmon, sardines, anchovies, usually). I'm not sure I should or CAN, feasibly (read: financially) increase my omega 3s.

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on August 26, 2012
at 03:22 PM

That's what I'm doing, Julianne. I don't eat nuts, seeds, nightshades, alcohol, eggs or dairy.

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on August 26, 2012
at 03:23 AM

Coconut oil has 1.8 grams omega 6 per 100grams of oil (that's nearly half a cup) A small amount of coconut oil will not contain much omega 6. with regards to omega 6:3 ratio recent recommendations are total amounts per day. We need 2 - 4% calories per day omega 6 and 1000 - 3000 per day omega 3. Going by ratio in each food is not useful. The total intake over the day of each is easier to track and the only important factor

43e9d0f324c2fc8b5f283786a1e3bf4f

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on August 26, 2012
at 02:13 AM

Thanks! It looks to me like your source actually says the omega 6 to 3 ratio of coconut oil is 1800:0. It is the ratio, not the absolute amount, that matters for how our bodies metabolize fats in anti- or pro-inflammatory ways. Coconut oil also contains lauric and myristic acids that modulate the arachidonic acid cascade in a weird way: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1542505/?page=4. Omega 3 is the anti-inflammatory winner in this biochemical reaction chain. Fatty meats from happy (not factory farmed) critters are the best way I know to get omega 3s > omega 6s.

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on August 26, 2012
at 01:14 AM

Have you tried the auto-immune version? My results for aut0immune issues was better on this. No nuts seeds, nightshades, alcohol, eggs or dairy in addition to standard paleo Fish oil every day

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on August 26, 2012
at 01:12 AM

Coconut oil has very little omega 6. Fatty meats like chicken etc can have more. Eating seafood or - like you say fish oil -is your best bet for increasing omega 3 Check here for information of amounts of omega 6 in everything http://paleozonenutrition.com/2011/05/10/omega-6-and-3-in-nuts-oils-meat-and-fish-tools-to-get-it-right/

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

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on August 26, 2012
at 12:59 AM

Did you actually read my question?

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

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on August 26, 2012
at 12:58 AM

Good point about the proteins. I'll try just the oil and see how I feel. Ima miss those proteins, but if I feel better, I don't care.

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on August 26, 2012
at 12:19 AM

Also, coconut butter contains about 1 g of sugar : Tbsp.

D9e4b265ef308c8cabf847559fd8be2e

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on August 26, 2012
at 12:01 AM

Have you tried eating plain coconut oil? Coconut butter contains the meat of the nut and you may be reacting to a protein.

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43e9d0f324c2fc8b5f283786a1e3bf4f

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on August 26, 2012
at 01:01 AM

Either Tamandua is right and you're reacting to a protein (so just eat the oil), or you're not taking in more omega 3's to compensate for the omega 6's in coconut. Different fats differently modulate the arachidonic acid cascade that is central to the underlying inflammatory process in autoimmune disorders. You basically want a high 3 to 6 ratio to keep the dominoes from falling the wrong way.

So you could try taking more fish oil to compensate. Another solution would be to substitute good animal fats in general for coconut fat. Grassfed beef, freerange chicken, eggs marked as good sources of omega 3, etc.

Another thing that really helped me with being underweight and joint painy was to go strict gluten and dairy free. Good luck!

0faecc3397025eab246241f4dcd81f5e

(2361)

on August 26, 2012
at 01:12 AM

Coconut oil has very little omega 6. Fatty meats like chicken etc can have more. Eating seafood or - like you say fish oil -is your best bet for increasing omega 3 Check here for information of amounts of omega 6 in everything http://paleozonenutrition.com/2011/05/10/omega-6-and-3-in-nuts-oils-meat-and-fish-tools-to-get-it-right/

0faecc3397025eab246241f4dcd81f5e

(2361)

on August 26, 2012
at 03:23 AM

Coconut oil has 1.8 grams omega 6 per 100grams of oil (that's nearly half a cup) A small amount of coconut oil will not contain much omega 6. with regards to omega 6:3 ratio recent recommendations are total amounts per day. We need 2 - 4% calories per day omega 6 and 1000 - 3000 per day omega 3. Going by ratio in each food is not useful. The total intake over the day of each is easier to track and the only important factor

43e9d0f324c2fc8b5f283786a1e3bf4f

(419)

on August 26, 2012
at 02:13 AM

Thanks! It looks to me like your source actually says the omega 6 to 3 ratio of coconut oil is 1800:0. It is the ratio, not the absolute amount, that matters for how our bodies metabolize fats in anti- or pro-inflammatory ways. Coconut oil also contains lauric and myristic acids that modulate the arachidonic acid cascade in a weird way: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1542505/?page=4. Omega 3 is the anti-inflammatory winner in this biochemical reaction chain. Fatty meats from happy (not factory farmed) critters are the best way I know to get omega 3s > omega 6s.

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

(3979)

on August 27, 2012
at 01:53 AM

I take 5 grams of omega 3s a day, plus I eat 1-2 servings of wildcaught oily fish every day (salmon, sardines, anchovies, usually). I'm not sure I should or CAN, feasibly (read: financially) increase my omega 3s.

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

(3979)

on August 28, 2012
at 01:07 PM

It's 5 grams of omega 3, EPA+DHA. Not 5 grams of fish oil that contains omega 3. I use Nordic Naturals liquid omega 3 oil in an opaque blue bottle, refrigerated. It's serious stuff.

43e9d0f324c2fc8b5f283786a1e3bf4f

(419)

on August 27, 2012
at 05:23 AM

That's quite a lot of omega 3. There are some safety concerns with that high a dosage (chiefly bleeding) - http://www.livestrong.com/article/434584-safe-dosage-of-omega-3-for-arthritis. But I also see where that high a dosage was considered safe enough for trials - http://www.aafp.org/afp/2004/0701/p133.html. Perhaps cutting out coconut protein (DCing the coconut meat, milk, & cream in favor of only coconut oil) is a safer experiment than going up on the omega 3s.

0faecc3397025eab246241f4dcd81f5e

(2361)

on August 27, 2012
at 10:42 PM

5 grams of omega 3 - is that 5 capsules or 5 g EPA+ DHA? Most 1000mg caps contain about 300mg EPA+DHA omega 3. So 5 caps is aobut 1500 omega 3. That's enough - especially if you eat fish as well

0faecc3397025eab246241f4dcd81f5e

(2361)

on August 30, 2012
at 03:10 AM

Make sure your diet has sufficient anto-oxidants if you take a higher dose Vitamin E natural mixed - 500mg day and vit C 1000mg day (I like Ester C) and lots of polyphenols in fruit and veg

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

(3979)

on August 28, 2012
at 01:08 PM

1500mg is enough for maintenance, 5 grams is recommended for people with inflammatory conditions, like me. Severe rheumatoid arthritis.

43e9d0f324c2fc8b5f283786a1e3bf4f

(419)

on August 30, 2012
at 05:58 PM

Large doses of vitamin E (in supplement rather than food form) may carry significant risks: http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/VitaminE-HealthProfessional/#h7. Bleeding risk and increased prostate cancer risk seem to be the main potential concerns. Food is better medicine.

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on August 26, 2012
at 12:51 AM

Coconut oil has almost infinite benefits. To get my daily intake (about 3 tbsp. for adults), I either put mine in my tea or coffe, throw it in a salad dressing. I recently made a smoothie ice pops with coconut oil, mango and banana - its a super easy way to get your daily intake.

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

(3979)

on August 26, 2012
at 12:59 AM

Did you actually read my question?

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