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Coconut fat as dietary staple?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created August 26, 2013 at 3:37 PM

It's not easy to get all that Paleo goodness if you're not either rich or live in the country.

Shortly after discovering coconut cream, it's become a dietary staple. I usually have 1/2 - 1 full can of Trader Joe's coconut cream per day. What, it's like $1.75 and packs about 850 calories. I've convinced myself that this dietary staple is a relatively healthy replacement for the wheat, veggie oils, and other processed foods it replaces calories for. And by god it's CHEAP to eat.

Combined with my consumption of coconut oil, I'd say I average about 30% of my calories from coconut fat. On some days that might jump to 50% or more, other days little to none. Usually close to 25-35% from coconut fat. Worse yet, I fear I'm dramatically underestimating these percentages.

Been going on like this a couple weeks now and I feel great. I know to keep variety in my diet and still eat plenty of veggies, fruits, clean starches, and meats. Oh, and LOTS of egg. I'm not rich so is this a good alternative to buying half a F-ing cow from 200 miles away and sticking a huge freezer in my tiny apartment?

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on August 27, 2013
at 10:56 PM

Human didn't evolving eating a high (as in coconut oil high) saturated fat diet. The predominant fat is/was MUFA. The whole "clean fuel" of saturated fats is 90% silliness, 10% academic nonsense. I wouldn't put any refined fat in a breakfast shake, but see no reason why olive oil couldn't get put in. Olive oil is not an unstable cooking oil, maybe some VOCs in virgin oils (which are present in virgin coconut oil as well).

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on August 27, 2013
at 06:09 PM

I just realized that your experience might be related to FM (see Sabertooth's link). Apparently coconut cream / milk can aggrivate the situation for people who have trouble with fructose.

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on August 27, 2013
at 06:07 PM

Why is it bad that it's "too saturated"? Those saturated fats and medium-chain triglycerides are great fuel according to most of what I've read. Also, you can't make a breakfast shake using olive oil, and it's safer to cook with coconut than olive oil since less of it will oxidize. Just representing the other side...

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on August 27, 2013
at 06:04 PM

This article was very helpful. My TJ's Coconut cream does have a couple ingredients I'm not happy about, including Guar Gum. I noticed that the coconut in it is also listed as, something like, "Coconut extracted" which seems fishy... Others sometimes just list "coconut cream" instead. I'm looking into a more clean source, preferably without BPA either. Lastly, I'm pretty sure I don't suffer from FM since I have always eaten lots of fruits and felt great with it. Thanks for the link!

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on August 27, 2013
at 06:02 PM

This article was very helpful. My TJ's Coconut cream does have a couple ingredients I'm not happy about, including Guar Gum. I noticed that the coconut in it is also listed as, something like, "Coconut extracted" which seems fishy... I'm looking into a more clean source, preferably without BPA either. Lastly, I'm pretty sure I don't suffer from FM since I have always eaten lots of fruits and felt great with it. So, I think you get the check even though your answer was a bit lazy..

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on August 27, 2013
at 09:36 AM

Kerrygold butter is grass-fed. The price varies a little. And I think butter is very delicious for vegetables. The shake sounds delicious. There is one thing to note about the eggs: Raw eggs can be somewhat of a problem, because egg white contain avidin, which binds to biotin and can therefore cause biotin deficiency. So make sure you eat some biotin containing foods without raw egg whites. You could eat some eggs boiled/fried or make some smoothies with egg yolks only and eat the eggs whites cooked or at another time. I also tried blending lettuce with cream and is was weirdly delicious.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on August 27, 2013
at 12:36 AM

I'm simply not a fan of coconut oil. Too saturated, unnatural in a human diet, to be a staple. MUFA is where it's at!

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on August 26, 2013
at 10:21 PM

What if I'm not really using it as a nutrient source so much as a concentrated fuel (convenient and clean) then getting nutrients from things like fruit, veggies, greens, etc... Looking into organ meats. I have avoided them all my life so wondering where to start.

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on August 26, 2013
at 10:19 PM

I only recently found a decent source of grass fed butter. At least that's what it claims on the package - supposedly Irish. Getting it from Costco and usually use a big dollop on steamed broccoli/cauliflower/carrots... Also, I consume most of my coconut cream blended with fruit, eggs and/or yogurt (still wondering if all the raw eggs are ok) and a dash of cinnamon and vanilla. This morning I added some green and purple lettuce and it was nice texturally.

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on August 26, 2013
at 10:15 PM

Yeah I actually suffered from chronic constipation most of my life. Even with all the coconut oil, I'm just barely regular enough to be satisfied. TMI: stool consistency is quite acceptable and definitely not disgusting. I generally consume it blended with fruit. This morning I blended in some greens (and purples - lettuce) with banana and blueberry, and a dash of cinnamon and vanilla, and it tasted pretty good.

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on August 26, 2013
at 08:54 PM

why. just because it's not nutrient dense? what if someone eats a well-rounded nutritious diet in general?

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on August 26, 2013
at 08:51 PM

Want a good fat source? Olive oil.

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on August 26, 2013
at 05:00 PM

A well-written, fairly scientific post that may be quite relevant: http://chriskresser.com/3-reasons-why-coconut-milk-may-not-be-your-friend

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(624)

on August 27, 2013
at 06:04 PM

This article was very helpful. My TJ's Coconut cream does have a couple ingredients I'm not happy about, including Guar Gum. I noticed that the coconut in it is also listed as, something like, "Coconut extracted" which seems fishy... Others sometimes just list "coconut cream" instead. I'm looking into a more clean source, preferably without BPA either. Lastly, I'm pretty sure I don't suffer from FM since I have always eaten lots of fruits and felt great with it. Thanks for the link!

Medium avatar

(624)

on August 27, 2013
at 06:02 PM

This article was very helpful. My TJ's Coconut cream does have a couple ingredients I'm not happy about, including Guar Gum. I noticed that the coconut in it is also listed as, something like, "Coconut extracted" which seems fishy... I'm looking into a more clean source, preferably without BPA either. Lastly, I'm pretty sure I don't suffer from FM since I have always eaten lots of fruits and felt great with it. So, I think you get the check even though your answer was a bit lazy..

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on August 26, 2013
at 06:07 PM

The mentioned criticism from Matt and Sabertooth is true, but I still think it can be ok. A paleo diet rich in coconut cream/oil sure is a lot better than SAD.

You could try to avoid nutrient deficiency by adding very nutrient dense foods like liver and other organ meats to your diet. And maybe eat some nutrient dense vegetables/lettuce (red or dark, loose leave lettuce) and use some spices. If you eat more of that, you should be doing ok nutrient wise.

You also might consider butter and/or lard as alternatives. I don't know what the price of lard is in the U.S., but it should be cheaper than $1.75/850kcal and maybe that will free a little money for extra vegetables.

Medium avatar

(624)

on August 26, 2013
at 10:19 PM

I only recently found a decent source of grass fed butter. At least that's what it claims on the package - supposedly Irish. Getting it from Costco and usually use a big dollop on steamed broccoli/cauliflower/carrots... Also, I consume most of my coconut cream blended with fruit, eggs and/or yogurt (still wondering if all the raw eggs are ok) and a dash of cinnamon and vanilla. This morning I added some green and purple lettuce and it was nice texturally.

0f44d81f247518d6fc2de0403ff9a68a

on August 27, 2013
at 09:36 AM

Kerrygold butter is grass-fed. The price varies a little. And I think butter is very delicious for vegetables. The shake sounds delicious. There is one thing to note about the eggs: Raw eggs can be somewhat of a problem, because egg white contain avidin, which binds to biotin and can therefore cause biotin deficiency. So make sure you eat some biotin containing foods without raw egg whites. You could eat some eggs boiled/fried or make some smoothies with egg yolks only and eat the eggs whites cooked or at another time. I also tried blending lettuce with cream and is was weirdly delicious.

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on August 26, 2013
at 08:18 PM

I did something similar to what you are doing when I first started eating a Paleo type diet. I spent months with acid reflux, disgusting diarrhea, and fungal infections all over the place that went away when I eliminated coconut. I was so persistent with it, because I thought I was going through some sort of "die off." I can't even touch that stuff now without getting a gag reflux. However, if it works for you go ahead and enjoy.

Medium avatar

(624)

on August 27, 2013
at 06:09 PM

I just realized that your experience might be related to FM (see Sabertooth's link). Apparently coconut cream / milk can aggrivate the situation for people who have trouble with fructose.

Medium avatar

(624)

on August 26, 2013
at 10:15 PM

Yeah I actually suffered from chronic constipation most of my life. Even with all the coconut oil, I'm just barely regular enough to be satisfied. TMI: stool consistency is quite acceptable and definitely not disgusting. I generally consume it blended with fruit. This morning I blended in some greens (and purples - lettuce) with banana and blueberry, and a dash of cinnamon and vanilla, and it tasted pretty good.

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32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on August 26, 2013
at 04:29 PM

Coconut oil/creme is pretty nutrient void. I wouldn't make it it a high proportion of one's diet. Heck, I wouldn't make coconut any significant portion of one's diet.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on August 27, 2013
at 12:36 AM

I'm simply not a fan of coconut oil. Too saturated, unnatural in a human diet, to be a staple. MUFA is where it's at!

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on August 26, 2013
at 08:51 PM

Want a good fat source? Olive oil.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on August 27, 2013
at 10:56 PM

Human didn't evolving eating a high (as in coconut oil high) saturated fat diet. The predominant fat is/was MUFA. The whole "clean fuel" of saturated fats is 90% silliness, 10% academic nonsense. I wouldn't put any refined fat in a breakfast shake, but see no reason why olive oil couldn't get put in. Olive oil is not an unstable cooking oil, maybe some VOCs in virgin oils (which are present in virgin coconut oil as well).

52ad7ee5eef0d7339d0977bd7a2ceb8a

(416)

on August 26, 2013
at 08:54 PM

why. just because it's not nutrient dense? what if someone eats a well-rounded nutritious diet in general?

Medium avatar

(624)

on August 27, 2013
at 06:07 PM

Why is it bad that it's "too saturated"? Those saturated fats and medium-chain triglycerides are great fuel according to most of what I've read. Also, you can't make a breakfast shake using olive oil, and it's safer to cook with coconut than olive oil since less of it will oxidize. Just representing the other side...

Medium avatar

(624)

on August 26, 2013
at 10:21 PM

What if I'm not really using it as a nutrient source so much as a concentrated fuel (convenient and clean) then getting nutrients from things like fruit, veggies, greens, etc... Looking into organ meats. I have avoided them all my life so wondering where to start.

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