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co2 in bottom of range

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Created April 18, 2012 at 12:33 PM

has anyone here noticed they have low in-range co2 on their cmp, did taking the steps to speed up your metabolism help? or did anything help

293ba4c95d190bc616b27d85b10d705a

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on April 18, 2012
at 10:36 PM

But I appreciate all input :D The bottom of the range was 18 and mine was 19. I have a messed up metabolism and fibro etc. I think they are related

293ba4c95d190bc616b27d85b10d705a

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on April 18, 2012
at 10:34 PM

I understand its an underlying concern which is why I said correlated with fibro etc. I'm not expecting a simple answer here

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

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on April 18, 2012
at 06:21 PM

Agree 100% with Todd. You are suggesting treatments for a lab value.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on April 18, 2012
at 05:39 PM

And finally, cholesterol is a good thing. It just is a marker for inflammation, so lowering it artificially would be stupid. Co2, on the other hand, is also a good thing. Increasing it is safe, effective and potentially will treat the underlying cause, though it is unlikely that just breathing in a paper bag will do miracles.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on April 18, 2012
at 05:37 PM

Besides, you're kinda comparing a statin to my extremely safe suggestions. I mean, drinking carbonated water is hardly the same thing as taking a chemical to artificially lower cholesterol.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on April 18, 2012
at 05:35 PM

That's why I said *"This will directly increase it."* The underlying issue is likely too complex and personal to solve. You're basically saying that all posts on paleohacks are stupid, because we're all avoiding gluten while the gluten are not the underlying cause of gluten intolerance.

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on April 18, 2012
at 05:34 PM

I can't speak for Jay, but these suggestions seem to be treating a lab result instead of addressing an underlying concern. Kind of like taking a statin will lower your cholesterol but won't necessarily improve your health. Holly's levels are in range. Just because they are on the low end of the range, doesn't mean there is a problem. There is probably a range of healthy CO2 levels, just as there is a range of health body temps, cholesterol levels etc. Trying to force a change in a lab result without understanding the underlying cause could cause more problems than they fix.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on April 18, 2012
at 02:55 PM

Can you explain why these suggestions are nonsense, Jay?

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on April 18, 2012
at 02:03 PM

Proteins in your body load up with Co2 which protects them from glycation and effects the way they act.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on April 18, 2012
at 02:02 PM

"Carbon dioxide action mechanism was developed partially through the inhibition of the OAF generation in mitochondria and through deceleration of NADPH oxidative activity. Finally, it was established that CO2 led to the better coordination of oxidation and phosphorylation and increased the phosphorylation velocity in liver mitochondria." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9229940

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on April 18, 2012
at 02:02 PM

It definitely makes sense to try to raise Co2- "The results show that CO2 with tension close to that of the blood (37.0 mm Hg) and at higher tensions (60 and 146 mm Hg) is a powerful inhibitor of AOF generation by human and animal cells, as well as by liver mitochondria of mice" http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9139450

293ba4c95d190bc616b27d85b10d705a

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on April 18, 2012
at 01:45 PM

low co2 is linked to chronic fatigue syndrome and fibro

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

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on April 18, 2012
at 01:42 PM

These suggestions are nonsense. The proper response is whether it makes sense to try to raise CO2.

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B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on April 18, 2012
at 12:53 PM

Breathe in a paper bag, move to a higher altitude (or just go on holiday), drink carbonated water (t??nissteiner is good, also has quite some magnesium and calcium, but I prefer bag breathing etcetera because I'm never thirsty) and/or use baking soda in your water. This will directly increase it.

Increasing sugar intake will also help.

What I've been thinking about but I'm not sure whether it's a valid way to raise CO2 is to use candles instead of artificial light when it's getting dark.

I have never measured my own level, but am planning to do some tests in the near future. Best of luck!

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on April 18, 2012
at 02:02 PM

It definitely makes sense to try to raise Co2- "The results show that CO2 with tension close to that of the blood (37.0 mm Hg) and at higher tensions (60 and 146 mm Hg) is a powerful inhibitor of AOF generation by human and animal cells, as well as by liver mitochondria of mice" http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9139450

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on April 18, 2012
at 02:03 PM

Proteins in your body load up with Co2 which protects them from glycation and effects the way they act.

293ba4c95d190bc616b27d85b10d705a

(661)

on April 18, 2012
at 01:45 PM

low co2 is linked to chronic fatigue syndrome and fibro

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on April 18, 2012
at 05:37 PM

Besides, you're kinda comparing a statin to my extremely safe suggestions. I mean, drinking carbonated water is hardly the same thing as taking a chemical to artificially lower cholesterol.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on April 18, 2012
at 05:35 PM

That's why I said *"This will directly increase it."* The underlying issue is likely too complex and personal to solve. You're basically saying that all posts on paleohacks are stupid, because we're all avoiding gluten while the gluten are not the underlying cause of gluten intolerance.

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

(4359)

on April 18, 2012
at 01:42 PM

These suggestions are nonsense. The proper response is whether it makes sense to try to raise CO2.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on April 18, 2012
at 05:39 PM

And finally, cholesterol is a good thing. It just is a marker for inflammation, so lowering it artificially would be stupid. Co2, on the other hand, is also a good thing. Increasing it is safe, effective and potentially will treat the underlying cause, though it is unlikely that just breathing in a paper bag will do miracles.

293ba4c95d190bc616b27d85b10d705a

(661)

on April 18, 2012
at 10:36 PM

But I appreciate all input :D The bottom of the range was 18 and mine was 19. I have a messed up metabolism and fibro etc. I think they are related

Baa413654789b57f3579474ca7fa43d7

(2349)

on April 18, 2012
at 05:34 PM

I can't speak for Jay, but these suggestions seem to be treating a lab result instead of addressing an underlying concern. Kind of like taking a statin will lower your cholesterol but won't necessarily improve your health. Holly's levels are in range. Just because they are on the low end of the range, doesn't mean there is a problem. There is probably a range of healthy CO2 levels, just as there is a range of health body temps, cholesterol levels etc. Trying to force a change in a lab result without understanding the underlying cause could cause more problems than they fix.

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

(4359)

on April 18, 2012
at 06:21 PM

Agree 100% with Todd. You are suggesting treatments for a lab value.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on April 18, 2012
at 02:02 PM

"Carbon dioxide action mechanism was developed partially through the inhibition of the OAF generation in mitochondria and through deceleration of NADPH oxidative activity. Finally, it was established that CO2 led to the better coordination of oxidation and phosphorylation and increased the phosphorylation velocity in liver mitochondria." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9229940

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on April 18, 2012
at 02:55 PM

Can you explain why these suggestions are nonsense, Jay?

293ba4c95d190bc616b27d85b10d705a

(661)

on April 18, 2012
at 10:34 PM

I understand its an underlying concern which is why I said correlated with fibro etc. I'm not expecting a simple answer here

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De267f213b375efca5da07890e5efc25

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on April 18, 2012
at 01:51 PM

No but I have high abnormal CO2. Doctors don't seem concerned about it though.

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