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Comparison of a Standard Lipid Panel to a VAP Test (Taken Within Minutes)

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Created March 23, 2011 at 7:25 PM

I had asked my doctor for a VAP test but got a lipid panel back a few days later and assumed that she just pretended to order it, but it turns out she ordered both for some reason or other. In any case, in contrast to what I've read repeatedly in paleo circles, the results actually line up pretty well:

Standard Lipid Panel
Total Cholesterol 391 (120-200)
Triglycerides 54 (30-199)
HDL 55 (27-68)
LDL 325
hsCRP .4 (0-3.0)
TSH .86 (.35-5.50)

VAP
Total LDL 307 (<130)
Total HDL 66 (>-40)
Total VLDL 19 (<30)
Total Chol 393 (<200)
Triglycerides 62 (<150)
Total apoB100 194 (<109)
Non-HDL Chol 326 (<160)
Lp(a) 11.0 (<10)
IDL 20 (<20)
LDL-R (Real) 277 (<100)
Real-LDL Size Pattern: A; Large Buoyant
Remnant Lipoproteins 29 (<30)
HDL-2 19 (>10)
HDL-3 48 (>30)
VLDL-3 9 (<10)
LDL4 16.4 NR
LDL3 133.2 NR
LDL2 84.2 NR
LDL1 42.8 NR

Total LDL is pretty close to the Friedewald calculation and real LDL is pretty close to the Iranian calculation. This may not be the case for everyone, but there were no huge surprises here.

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on March 23, 2011
at 09:38 PM

It's a combination of a strong fascination with biology and a strong skepticism toward conventional wisdom, especially that which comes from the pharmaceutical-medicine complex.

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on March 23, 2011
at 09:35 PM

HDL over 80 is going to be tough without heavy myristic acid intake. I'm allergic to coconut, so I don't know that I'd be able to pull it off.

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on March 23, 2011
at 09:31 PM

that's funny theresa. i dunno bout travis and the doc, but for me it's just learning from reading and studying. no medical background at all. the stuff here in this thread (so far) is relatively elementary mish-mash. if you want to twist your brain up pretty good, have a peek at chris masterjohn's recent post on LDL. also, in the comments below the article, our resident doc and CM are hilarious with their back and forth. cheers! http://blog.cholesterol-and-health.com/2011/03/genes-ldl-cholesterol-levels-and.html

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on March 23, 2011
at 09:31 PM

I live this and do it for my work......it's passion entrenched

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on March 23, 2011
at 09:03 PM

HDL over 80 bare minimum because of the high LDL? or because something else? Say you test for LDL at 170. Is HDL 60 good then. I'm asking seriously, cause I'm just wondering if you are using a ratio to come to that 80 figure.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on March 23, 2011
at 08:32 PM

Your particle A so no need to fret. It's about making better optimal and keeping telomeres long!

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on March 23, 2011
at 08:30 PM

Lpa is a bit high but that is mostly genetic. I'd ask you to Olympic lift more start vit d3 and niacin in whopping dose. Repeat in two months. I want your hdl over 80 bare minimum

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on March 23, 2011
at 08:29 PM

Based on my current knowledge, I would take a 20% increase in both HDL and Trigs simultaneously any day. HDL has much lower 'ceiling'. it moves slower. value is greater.

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on March 23, 2011
at 08:14 PM

I considered the concomitant increase in TGs to make the the increase in HDL a wash. But yeah, who knows if I can parse any real *risk* out of these test results. I'm retesting in a couple months, so we'll see.

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Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on March 23, 2011
at 08:06 PM

Yah but your HDL is 20% higher on the VAP, and your LDL is 18 points lower as well on VAP. Your trigs are up 8 though, which is odd considering the change in HDL/LDL. Seems like it would be the opposite. But a difference of 54 to 62 in Trigs is not as notable as a difference of 55 to 66 for HDL. But as you and I both know Travis, making real sense of these numbers is a tricky game indeed. Nice to see that your LDL is generally Large, buoyant.

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on March 23, 2011
at 08:14 PM

I considered the concomitant increase in TGs to make the the increase in HDL a wash. But yeah, who knows if I can parse any real *risk* out of these test results. I'm retesting in a couple months, so we'll see.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on March 23, 2011
at 08:29 PM

Based on my current knowledge, I would take a 20% increase in both HDL and Trigs simultaneously any day. HDL has much lower 'ceiling'. it moves slower. value is greater.

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on March 23, 2011
at 09:20 PM

I would love to know how much time you devote to Paleo medical learning? I am always astonished how much in-depth medical talk is on this forum. I love it but wonder if you already had a propensity towards numbers/medical field/or just learning?

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on March 23, 2011
at 09:31 PM

that's funny theresa. i dunno bout travis and the doc, but for me it's just learning from reading and studying. no medical background at all. the stuff here in this thread (so far) is relatively elementary mish-mash. if you want to twist your brain up pretty good, have a peek at chris masterjohn's recent post on LDL. also, in the comments below the article, our resident doc and CM are hilarious with their back and forth. cheers! http://blog.cholesterol-and-health.com/2011/03/genes-ldl-cholesterol-levels-and.html

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25482)

on March 23, 2011
at 09:31 PM

I live this and do it for my work......it's passion entrenched

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on March 23, 2011
at 09:38 PM

It's a combination of a strong fascination with biology and a strong skepticism toward conventional wisdom, especially that which comes from the pharmaceutical-medicine complex.

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