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CHOLESTEROL: push it to the limit?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created August 05, 2011 at 1:14 PM

Should one consume as much cholesterol as possible in the diet? I am consuming 1 dozen eggs, 1 lb. of beef, 200 grams of butter each day and 7 oz. of liver every second day(substitution for 1x 1/2 lb. serving of beef). What should I do people: increase cholesterol containing foods, decrease or stay the course? My interests are in enhancing brain function, feelings of well-being and testosterone levels. Advice is nice, when corroborated with sound science/folk wisdom or personal anecdotes.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on September 09, 2011
at 03:01 AM

Eat as much cholesterol as you want

246ebf68e35743f62e5e187891b9cba0

(21420)

on September 09, 2011
at 01:47 AM

Yes of course! Moderation in everything! *laff*

Ac1e55cf06c2180f4008ff01953d10dd

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on August 06, 2011
at 04:26 PM

If your goal is bodybuilding then perhaps it makes sense to have tons of butter, eggs a day. My goal is optimal health and obviously it is not the same....

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on August 06, 2011
at 11:31 AM

i too love vince! training & nutrition. so ahead of his time, seriously! he, and many others, have said that dietary cholesterol has no impact on serum cholesterol. i'd buy it, but wouldn't purposely seek out more beyond what's in the steak & eggs.

1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

(20378)

on August 06, 2011
at 07:14 AM

17 grams of PUFAs on the non-liver days. However that is just 4% of your calories... I dont think you need to go any higher though. I would like to have your HDL numers for my own as they should be through the roof... Blood tests lately?

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on August 05, 2011
at 09:55 PM

I'll see if I bookmarked the studies....

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on August 05, 2011
at 09:51 PM

Health of course. But muscle cross-sectional area is proportional to strength and given that strength is healthy and related to health it follows that so too do 'inflated' muscles(relative to deflated perhaps)?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on August 05, 2011
at 09:50 PM

Thats a relief Travis. So I should watch the butter? Do you have a source for some in-depth sciencey article?

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on August 05, 2011
at 09:35 PM

PersonMan: I'm not talking about dietary cholesterol, I'm talking about the myristic/palmitic fatty acids in the butter. Hunter-gatherers don't eat butter. HappyNow: It was via diet, and no I've never seen such a study for humans.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on August 05, 2011
at 08:29 PM

I won't argue some bodybuilders to be in better health than the "average" person, but most have a lot of room for improvement. This is assuming "health" is the goal. If inflated muscles is the goal then have at it.

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

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on August 05, 2011
at 07:55 PM

Do you happen to know how they raised the cholesterol in the mice and rabbits in those studies? I'm skeptical of cholesterol studies involving herbivores like rabbits as having much useful info that can be practically translated to humans.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on August 05, 2011
at 07:04 PM

Come now. I am having at least 3 grams of cholesterol per day and have "never felt better". I was under the assumption that dietary cholesterol has no influence on HDL/LDL ratio but that levels were irrelevant(one counteracting the other). Based on feeling state Cholesterol appears a wonder drug in natural form. If one consults a hunter-gathere and his probable diet, animal products amount to the main source(no ovens to cook the sweet potatoes) and most contain some cholesterol. What arguments could confute this general proposition?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on August 05, 2011
at 07:00 PM

Too true. He was the one(the light as it were) who led me to the VLC-rawist/lacto-ovo-paleo diet I now practice(although his recommendations differed they led me to my current lifestyle). Never Felt better. Perhaps more cholesterol will help?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on August 05, 2011
at 06:58 PM

They are healthier than the avrg. population and it is not exclusively attributable to exercise but dietary practice, ie. eggs...

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on August 05, 2011
at 06:58 PM

I was eating liver daily but...headaches from the retinol and fear of hypervitaminosis A. I'm thinking of boosting my egg intake to 2 dozen. 1 dozen yolks this morning for breakfast: a deeper voice ensued. Care to explain(testosterone..)?

446d2dddaeeccb2cc31a09cf20e40d46

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on August 05, 2011
at 05:33 PM

Okay, bodybuilders have. I'll tell you something: Europeans have been consuming bread for a long time (older school)... What exactly is your point in stating bodybuilders have done this?

44348571d9bc70c02ac2975cc500f154

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on August 05, 2011
at 05:25 PM

I have noticed similar moments of happines after consuming some good liver with homemade borderlaise sauce. And fish does it too, but not muscle meat. Too bad there is way too much retinol in liver to have it daily :( I have fish daily tho.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on August 05, 2011
at 05:18 PM

Give a reason... what is/are the criteria(ion) of "excess" here?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on August 05, 2011
at 05:17 PM

bodybuilders have been consuming eggs for a long time(think old school). People in Russian Georgia have been known to do the same.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on August 05, 2011
at 05:16 PM

Travis I'll contact you. Ginnungagap: hard to get brains in canada. You must be scandinavian?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on August 05, 2011
at 05:15 PM

I'll contact you Travis. Interestingly every time I leave my e-mail for business partners, etc. it becomes "edited" away to oblivion... Brains...hard to get in Canada but I hear kijiji has cheap livestock/animals for 'pets'(eg.horses, cattle, etc.). I intend to have many 'pets' on my farm...

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

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on August 05, 2011
at 04:48 PM

Cholesterol, or testosterone...? ;D

279700a1070c65fc144eceaa642dcbc7

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on August 05, 2011
at 01:53 PM

Have you considered eating brain? 2-3+g cholesterol per 100g.

C029fb3c7c1f1ed4a004390bef728e2d

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on August 05, 2011
at 01:46 PM

Great questions. I just read your profile: I live in Vancouver as well and we both have exactly the same interests. Send me an email [email protected]

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Ac1e55cf06c2180f4008ff01953d10dd

on August 05, 2011
at 02:04 PM

I do not see the point...Anything can be harmful if you have too much of it, even water....Why would you choose to have an unrealistic level of cholesterol intake, what is the rationale behind it? Think about eggs for instance: though we are fully adapted to them it is unlikely that h-g would have gotten dozens of eggs a days, for them and their families: that requires hen domestication, which is un-paleo! In summary I do not see the point of your personal experiment...

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on August 05, 2011
at 08:29 PM

I won't argue some bodybuilders to be in better health than the "average" person, but most have a lot of room for improvement. This is assuming "health" is the goal. If inflated muscles is the goal then have at it.

446d2dddaeeccb2cc31a09cf20e40d46

(676)

on August 05, 2011
at 05:33 PM

Okay, bodybuilders have. I'll tell you something: Europeans have been consuming bread for a long time (older school)... What exactly is your point in stating bodybuilders have done this?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on August 05, 2011
at 05:17 PM

bodybuilders have been consuming eggs for a long time(think old school). People in Russian Georgia have been known to do the same.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on August 05, 2011
at 06:58 PM

They are healthier than the avrg. population and it is not exclusively attributable to exercise but dietary practice, ie. eggs...

Ac1e55cf06c2180f4008ff01953d10dd

(3524)

on August 06, 2011
at 04:26 PM

If your goal is bodybuilding then perhaps it makes sense to have tons of butter, eggs a day. My goal is optimal health and obviously it is not the same....

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on August 05, 2011
at 09:51 PM

Health of course. But muscle cross-sectional area is proportional to strength and given that strength is healthy and related to health it follows that so too do 'inflated' muscles(relative to deflated perhaps)?

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on August 05, 2011
at 05:43 PM

I read some mouse/rabbit studies a while back where an elevation of LDL-C outside of the normal range counter-intuitively lowered testosterone. They theorized that the lipoproteins were less able to dock with the leydig cells and unload their cholesterol when they were so heavily laden with it. Not sure if that would apply to humans, but it's plausible. At 200g of butter a day, your LDL-C would absolutely skyrocket. Depending upon how long you've been doing this, I wouldn't be at all surprised if your total cholesterol were over 400. I'm not sure if that'll kill you, but I tend to agree with Paul Jaminet that the optimal range is a TC of 200-240mg/dl.

Medium avatar

(39831)

on August 05, 2011
at 09:55 PM

I'll see if I bookmarked the studies....

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on August 05, 2011
at 09:50 PM

Thats a relief Travis. So I should watch the butter? Do you have a source for some in-depth sciencey article?

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on August 05, 2011
at 07:55 PM

Do you happen to know how they raised the cholesterol in the mice and rabbits in those studies? I'm skeptical of cholesterol studies involving herbivores like rabbits as having much useful info that can be practically translated to humans.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on August 05, 2011
at 07:04 PM

Come now. I am having at least 3 grams of cholesterol per day and have "never felt better". I was under the assumption that dietary cholesterol has no influence on HDL/LDL ratio but that levels were irrelevant(one counteracting the other). Based on feeling state Cholesterol appears a wonder drug in natural form. If one consults a hunter-gathere and his probable diet, animal products amount to the main source(no ovens to cook the sweet potatoes) and most contain some cholesterol. What arguments could confute this general proposition?

Medium avatar

(39831)

on August 05, 2011
at 09:35 PM

PersonMan: I'm not talking about dietary cholesterol, I'm talking about the myristic/palmitic fatty acids in the butter. Hunter-gatherers don't eat butter. HappyNow: It was via diet, and no I've never seen such a study for humans.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on August 05, 2011
at 05:47 PM

this sounds a lot like vince gironda's max definition diet. as a bodybuilder, i'm thinking you may be familiar with vince...

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on August 06, 2011
at 11:31 AM

i too love vince! training & nutrition. so ahead of his time, seriously! he, and many others, have said that dietary cholesterol has no impact on serum cholesterol. i'd buy it, but wouldn't purposely seek out more beyond what's in the steak & eggs.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on August 05, 2011
at 07:00 PM

Too true. He was the one(the light as it were) who led me to the VLC-rawist/lacto-ovo-paleo diet I now practice(although his recommendations differed they led me to my current lifestyle). Never Felt better. Perhaps more cholesterol will help?

1
Medium avatar

(10611)

on August 05, 2011
at 04:46 PM

That's a lot of food. I would gain serious weight on that. I've also noted that any excessive eating of ANY food jacks my LDL up. I don't consider that a good thing, given a familial history of stroke and heart disease.

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B3e5a9a5b38b17f5286f4f1b868ac766

on September 09, 2011
at 01:36 AM

Don't overdo anything!

246ebf68e35743f62e5e187891b9cba0

(21420)

on September 09, 2011
at 01:47 AM

Yes of course! Moderation in everything! *laff*

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1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

(20378)

on August 05, 2011
at 02:34 PM

You have enough I would say. :-)

Perhaps too much...

1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

(20378)

on August 06, 2011
at 07:14 AM

17 grams of PUFAs on the non-liver days. However that is just 4% of your calories... I dont think you need to go any higher though. I would like to have your HDL numers for my own as they should be through the roof... Blood tests lately?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on August 05, 2011
at 05:18 PM

Give a reason... what is/are the criteria(ion) of "excess" here?

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

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on August 05, 2011
at 04:48 PM

Cholesterol, or testosterone...? ;D

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