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Testosterone problems from too much dark chocolate?

Answered on March 02, 2015
Created June 30, 2012 at 7:20 PM

Hey gang

Upon reading how healthy cocoa is and dark choclate...i have been eating half a bar of 85% cocoa dark chocolate per day for a few months

I think that this may have lowered my testosterone..it is the only change in diet I have made between my last two girlfriends, so I am singling out dark chocolate as a culprit

Surely enough, I looked at the pack and it does contain a little soy...is the soy the culprit, or is it the actual chocolate? shouldn't the zinc from dark chocolate boost testosterone? i thought that cocoa was mean to be a good "sex food" it's a problem as it seems most of of the high % dark chocolates contains soy

Looking forward to your thoughts! :)

E35e3d76547b18096a59c90029e7e107

(15613)

on December 27, 2012
at 10:38 AM

There won't be 50g of soy lecithin in half a bar of chocolate. Assuming you're eating half a 200g bar of chocolate, you'll be getting a couple of grams soy at the most.

E35e3d76547b18096a59c90029e7e107

(15613)

on December 24, 2012
at 10:24 PM

Downvoted for what reason, I wonder...?

518c0e994ca8a5b707633d8e9854f350

on July 02, 2012
at 08:04 PM

i guess i might be picking on nutrition a bit when there are so many factors to take into account - sleep etc it has made me concerned on whether there's such a thing as too much dark chocolate though

518c0e994ca8a5b707633d8e9854f350

on July 02, 2012
at 08:03 PM

thanks, that's what i was wondering...not sure what the limit on dark chocolate is per day

518c0e994ca8a5b707633d8e9854f350

on July 02, 2012
at 08:02 PM

but like 50grams of it per day won't make any difference?

E35e3d76547b18096a59c90029e7e107

(15613)

on July 01, 2012
at 03:36 PM

I meant phytate and oxalate mostly, but also tannins. Cocoa has 623mg/100g oxalate, only a little bit more than spinach, which is otherwise the highest foodstuff (http://www.relfe.com/2009/oxalate_diet_low_high_levels_kidney_stones_cause.html) and phytic acid it has considerably more even than oats (http://www.thenourishinggourmet.com/2010/09/phytic-acid-in-nuts-seeds-cocoa-and-coconut.html) and about 6 times more than white flour.

F92a0a13e601a6d302e44a4d4e0e3b91

(367)

on July 01, 2012
at 11:20 AM

Are there really THAT many antinutrients in chocolate? You mean caffeine, theobromine and phytates....oh, might have to cut back my own similar consumption.

D5d982a898721d3392c85f951d0bf0aa

(2417)

on July 01, 2012
at 12:14 AM

That's what I'm thinking. Is "testosterone problem" code for sex-drive-struggling or not performing "as well"? Good lord, it could be anything. If only life was as easy as blaming one ingredient.

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

(4413)

on June 30, 2012
at 09:38 PM

hey thanks Tikivana.

B1859f696e88d25460a6b8a333412ea3

(837)

on June 30, 2012
at 09:15 PM

I'd give this answer more up votes if I could.

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

(4413)

on June 30, 2012
at 08:04 PM

just fyi: This is the Dhea spray made by Metagenics http://metagenicsproducts.wordpress.com/2012/04/26/metagenics-biosom-spray-review/

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

(4413)

on June 30, 2012
at 07:53 PM

switch to a non soy chocolate!

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59fa7cd87fb9d669adf21e5cf3e7ada5

on August 18, 2012
at 08:31 PM

It is probably not the soy, one of your ex's may have hired someone to curse you, Voodoo is particularly effective for this purpose.

Did any of them take hair clippings from you, or toenail clippings?

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506e6a370d58140f2013d2f6240045a8

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on August 18, 2012
at 08:28 PM

Cocoa increases arginine levels in the bloodstream, more arginine - more blood flow - more test.

Cocoa contains MAO inhibitors, which increases neurotransmitters in the brain like serotonin, and keeps them elevated for longer, more serotonin - more energy - more endurance and strength - more test.

Cocoa contains theobromine and magnesium. Theobromine increases bronchodilation and vasodilation throughout the body - more test. Magnesium is essential to the heart and male sexual organ health - more of this obviously results in more test and unbound test.

If you want true benefits from cocoa then dont eat chocolate bars and get raw cacao powder mix it with warm water.

Also, on another note, chocolate bars no matter how much cocoa content they may have contain simple processed sugars. These readily available sugars deplete testosterone. So go for the powder for maximum benefits.

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C3bc92e6b5eba45dc55f43ac3c70cc25

on June 30, 2012
at 10:10 PM

Sure it's the chcolate & not relationship situation? You mention change since your last 2 gf. Maybe I'm over reaching but our mentality can effect our test levels. It's not always nutrition.

D5d982a898721d3392c85f951d0bf0aa

(2417)

on July 01, 2012
at 12:14 AM

That's what I'm thinking. Is "testosterone problem" code for sex-drive-struggling or not performing "as well"? Good lord, it could be anything. If only life was as easy as blaming one ingredient.

518c0e994ca8a5b707633d8e9854f350

on July 02, 2012
at 08:04 PM

i guess i might be picking on nutrition a bit when there are so many factors to take into account - sleep etc it has made me concerned on whether there's such a thing as too much dark chocolate though

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4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

on June 30, 2012
at 07:52 PM

Seriously doubt it.

Are you sure you aren't exposed to other xeno-estrogens?

Also, do you in fact actually know that your testosterone is lower (you have blood tests of Total and Free?) or are you just going by symptoms?

Info to help you would include your age and the symptoms that you think are low testosterone.

If you REALLY want to know your testosterone level, get it checked. Blood is ok but saliva may be better.

EDITED TO ADD: Be very careful about using DHEA to increase testosterone as it can increase estrogen. Dhea capsules are most likely to do this. Best is sublingual (there is a spray form) and creams (need an Rx) as with these you can pretty much avoid going through the liver.)

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

(4413)

on June 30, 2012
at 08:04 PM

just fyi: This is the Dhea spray made by Metagenics http://metagenicsproducts.wordpress.com/2012/04/26/metagenics-biosom-spray-review/

B1859f696e88d25460a6b8a333412ea3

(837)

on June 30, 2012
at 09:15 PM

I'd give this answer more up votes if I could.

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

(4413)

on June 30, 2012
at 09:38 PM

hey thanks Tikivana.

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D8612a7c536e74f9855b70d8e97919b5

(1042)

on June 30, 2012
at 07:38 PM

I don't think soy lecithin (which is what is in most of the chocolate bars you're talking about) poses the same endocrine problems that other sources of soy present. The amount is tiny and the lecithin is so isolated/purified that it pretty much doesn't matter that it comes from soy. Here's what Mark Sisson said about it:

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/is-it-primal-7-more-foods-scrutinized/#axzz1zHsL7tkO http://www.marksdailyapple.com/grapefruit-fasting/#axzz1zHsL7tkO

518c0e994ca8a5b707633d8e9854f350

on July 02, 2012
at 08:02 PM

but like 50grams of it per day won't make any difference?

E35e3d76547b18096a59c90029e7e107

(15613)

on December 27, 2012
at 10:38 AM

There won't be 50g of soy lecithin in half a bar of chocolate. Assuming you're eating half a 200g bar of chocolate, you'll be getting a couple of grams soy at the most.

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F034be3d348d80dd26ad30b9ff90cff2

on March 02, 2015
at 03:04 PM

Everyone should let their pubic hair grow naturally.  All models should have a hairy bikini line and under arm hair.  Pubic hair should be included on mannequins. 

I don't know why a man would want a woman with no pubic hair.  Wouldn't you rather bend over a real woman to reveal her wet, hairy and fragrant nether regions.  Doesn't pubic hair turn guys on?  I know a lot of men say that they much prefer the bush, and find it weird if a girl removes it.  I personally think pubic hair is really hot.

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F034be3d348d80dd26ad30b9ff90cff2

on March 02, 2015
at 02:55 PM

Caffeine and related methylxanthine alkanoids decrease testosterone.  In high enough doses they can cause fertility issues.  This has been demonstrated in rodents and rabbits.  It's quite plausable that eating a large amount of dark chocolate could have a physiological effect on the human body.  It would not surprise me if it decreased your testosterone.  Remember, other common substances such as alcohol and commonly prescribed pain killers can significantly alter hormone levels.  It comes down to the amount and the frequency.  Eat a lot of dark chocolate regularly, and you will notice some type of effect.  Whether it's headaches, increased urination, impotence, whatever it may be, it's your body telling you- that's enough.

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4bd4e2fe6a095663f80c69656936e487

(744)

on December 24, 2012
at 10:37 PM

Ray Peat believes the polyphenols in chocolate can be estrogenic, if I interpret him correctly. Having chocolate with milk reduces the absorption of the polyphenols. After having 85% chocolate for months, I acquired a distaste for it and started feeling bad after I consumed it. Having chocolate with milk fixed that problem. The Ray Peat article about polyphenols is called Natural Estrogens. Check this page too.

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363d0a0277a8b61ada3a24ab3ad85d5a

(4642)

on December 24, 2012
at 09:22 PM

Not an expert at all, but it is possible to have a zinc/copper imbalance. I was on a crazy 6 month chocolate bender (started slowly then got out of control) until I started supplementing zinc and within 2 weeks, I just plain didn't crave chocolate anymore. I know that chocolate has both, but I understand they compete for absorption, and that the proportions are more in the favor of the copper.

I have read (but don't have any studies) that zinc levels can be a factor in testosterone production. But of course it could be other things. Being female, this had slightly different effects on me, I did notice increased sex drive coming out of the 6 month chocolate fog, but also stronger nails and thicker hair. I almost can't keep up with filing my nails since I added the zinc, plus my skin is great.

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B7e1ad6bb9ab814b8e90bdad4a472d5e

on December 24, 2012
at 09:13 PM

just take zinc and leave the chocolate

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83e4a4053d615c0db7c409250ad0cbc2

on December 24, 2012
at 06:45 PM

Chocolate has much more copper than zinc. Copper and zinc are in balance with each other. Too much chocolate could actually lower your zinc levels. Also Chocolate may cause adrenal fatigue over time. 

It's better as an occasional thing in my opinion. Then it might help.

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E35e3d76547b18096a59c90029e7e107

(15613)

on July 01, 2012
at 08:39 AM

I don't why what symptoms have caused you to think you have lowered testosterone, but the caffeine and theobromine could certainly contribute (by raising cortisol and other stress hormones), plus the enormous quantities of antinutrients in dark chocolate may well reduce your nutrient intake, rather than boost your zinc.

F92a0a13e601a6d302e44a4d4e0e3b91

(367)

on July 01, 2012
at 11:20 AM

Are there really THAT many antinutrients in chocolate? You mean caffeine, theobromine and phytates....oh, might have to cut back my own similar consumption.

E35e3d76547b18096a59c90029e7e107

(15613)

on July 01, 2012
at 03:36 PM

I meant phytate and oxalate mostly, but also tannins. Cocoa has 623mg/100g oxalate, only a little bit more than spinach, which is otherwise the highest foodstuff (http://www.relfe.com/2009/oxalate_diet_low_high_levels_kidney_stones_cause.html) and phytic acid it has considerably more even than oats (http://www.thenourishinggourmet.com/2010/09/phytic-acid-in-nuts-seeds-cocoa-and-coconut.html) and about 6 times more than white flour.

518c0e994ca8a5b707633d8e9854f350

on July 02, 2012
at 08:03 PM

thanks, that's what i was wondering...not sure what the limit on dark chocolate is per day

E35e3d76547b18096a59c90029e7e107

(15613)

on December 24, 2012
at 10:24 PM

Downvoted for what reason, I wonder...?

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