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Hack last nights binge....progress or regression?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created January 24, 2012 at 2:00 PM

Hello all!

Its been a while since I've had a good amount of fruit. I avoid it like the plague because Im aiming for fat loss. I might have berries ONCE a week with some almond meal crumble on top (eggs, almond meal, cinnamon, vanilla, very minimal raw honey) as my once-a-week dessert but thats a MAYBE...probably happens more like every ten days, but I digress. Last night, I went on a small binge of dried fruit (pineapple, pear, apricot, and bananas) and when I came home I had two pieces of dark chocolate with a little butter and pecans on top (stole this one from a post I saw yesterday). It wasn't a ravenous OH MY GOD LET ME EAT EVERY THING SWEET I SEE IN SIGHT type binge where I eat EVERY FREAKING THING in my sight. It may have lasted like 10/15 minutes of snacking on a handful of dried fruit, putting it away, going back...so on and so forth....then I got home and had the chocolate concoction. I know my will power is low because I'm on my cycle (sorry guys) HOWEVER this "binge" seemed much more in control and my binge-foods werent ice cream, frozen yogurt, milkshakes, and other CW crap like they were, say, a month ago. Honestly, dried fruit, dark chocolate, and grassfed butter really isnt THAT unhealthy...just a lot of carbs/natural sugars that I could do without. I was also able to stop myself, whereas a month ago I would binge for an hour or so.

Is this change in binge eating preferences, and ability to stop it, showing progress in my body's "road to recovery"?

I'm about 8 months into Paleo, I came off my birth control last March (so I'm probably a bit hormonally imbalanced...or at least was), and am trying to relax/sleep more and not be so high anxiety about everything. Im recently on a Raw food multi. and I take a teaspoon of Omega-3's every morning. Usually Crossfit 5/6ish days a week (probably cutting back to 3 strength days and 1 METCON to see if that speeds up fat loss).

I know that I should avoid binges anyway, and I usually able to ignore the beck and call of sugar, but hey I'm a 19 year old female and for the sake of the men, let me eat my chocolate ;)

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

Show me one person who has been able to restrict indefinately. And I'll show you a liar.

273729a18d2f18903815d2644a4d64de

(1683)

on January 25, 2012
at 07:38 PM

Ive actually just started reading Lyle McDonald (yesterday)

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on January 25, 2012
at 04:01 AM

Danny. Think about this. If our ancestors were being restricted from food (like we now diet), what happens when they come across a patch of blueberries??? Is that not inevitable and the same thing that happens to all humans when their food intake is restricted (on purpose or not)? What a great conversation, by the way. ;)

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on January 25, 2012
at 04:00 AM

Protein Sparing Modified Fast. If you are a student of the human body and nutrition, you HAVE to read Lyle McDonald. I'm on a PSMF right now. Have lost about 80 pounds or so on it, after losing 50 or so with just low carbing.

273729a18d2f18903815d2644a4d64de

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on January 24, 2012
at 05:55 PM

PSMf too?! im confused...SO MANY ACRONYMS!

273729a18d2f18903815d2644a4d64de

(1683)

on January 24, 2012
at 05:54 PM

CKD? cyclical ketogenic diet am i right?! im not really familiar with this though.

Ccacf7567273244733bc991af4ac42ed

(5198)

on January 24, 2012
at 05:43 PM

It depends what you mean by diet though. Sure the restriction used to come naturally, but it didn't drive us mad not being able to eat fruit in january. That's something we've invented, ergo not inevitable.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on January 24, 2012
at 05:04 PM

If you don't plan for a diet break/refeed, whatever, you will eventually lose control, and most people feel bad about that, right? I think we are on the same page, it's just semantics.

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

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on January 24, 2012
at 04:12 PM

perhaps i'm being obtuse..your comment initially suggested "give it a more positive name" and then you added inevitable and pig out- neither being very positive. my 2nd comment was unrelated but spoke to the power of the mind, aka self fullfilling prophecies. sorry for the lack of clarity

Bf57bcbdc19d4f1728599053acd020ab

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on January 24, 2012
at 04:09 PM

If som dried fruit and 2 pieces of dark chocolate is a binge then I'm in deep trouble.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on January 24, 2012
at 03:54 PM

I understood where you were coming from Joshua. Just adding additional info/points. My response was aimed at folks who don't have as much background on this type of stuff as we do. And she stated that she is cutting down on the Crossfit, which is why I mentioned the CKD. Even four days would be too much, though, unless maybe she did a PSMF type diet on non-workout days...

246ebf68e35743f62e5e187891b9cba0

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on January 24, 2012
at 03:49 PM

Cody, I was specifically addressing the how/why of her binge and it's reasons, not trying to completely re-map her dietary protocol. As we've discussed in other threads, I'm quite familiar with Lyle's stuff. Also, if she is working out 6/7 times a week, then a CKD with it's specific carbohydrate timing around 1/2x weekly refeeds - isn't really a CKD at that point because she would be refeeding potentially every day.

Ccacf7567273244733bc991af4ac42ed

(5198)

on January 24, 2012
at 03:44 PM

There's a time and a place - it's not the same as inevitable though.

Ccacf7567273244733bc991af4ac42ed

(5198)

on January 24, 2012
at 03:43 PM

I think that, just as there's times when it's ok to eat a lot and other times when it's a really bad idea, there's times when fasting is appropriate and times when it isn't. Historically, fasting for long periods wasn't driven by the body (unless sick), it was about food availability. So there's times when we are prepared and able hormonally to cope pretty well wtihout food, but other times when it's all working against us. I used to get annoyed by not being able to fast whenever I chose without effort, but I'm happy with a lot more give and take now.

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on January 24, 2012
at 03:40 PM

its inevitable if you believe it is :) that was my only point. spin to win my friend!

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on January 24, 2012
at 03:24 PM

Michelle, you may try a CKD. Low carb most of the time, except around workouts. It's a great way to hold onto lean body mass while enjoying a calorie defecit.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on January 24, 2012
at 03:22 PM

Lyle McDonald has a great book on flexible dieting. Highly suggested reading.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on January 24, 2012
at 03:21 PM

It is inevitable, though, right? When you restrict and restrict and restrict, you want and want and want. And eventually wanting wins. Pigging out was meant in fun.

273729a18d2f18903815d2644a4d64de

(1683)

on January 24, 2012
at 02:57 PM

I was at 28%, 155 when I did it...so pretty average for a female. I'd really like to try it again with the broth and the green tea too see what happens. I actually broke it because a friend invited me over and made a HUGE meal (Paleo of course) and I was not about to pass it up...but day 3 I actually felt normal, had energy, and was able to Crossfit/Walk the Dog/Act normally and feel just fine.

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on January 24, 2012
at 02:56 PM

ahhhh Cody you had me smiling till you added "inevitable" and "pig out". a planned indulgence is neither.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on January 24, 2012
at 02:51 PM

Call it a planned diet break, a free meal, refeeding, what have you. When you plan it and give it a more positive name, and realize that it is inevitable, embrace your own true nature, and just pig out from time to time, then you'll find that life is good.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on January 24, 2012
at 02:49 PM

I think at your weight and body fat percentage, it would be much harder for you than it was for me. I was like 40% body fat when I did it.

273729a18d2f18903815d2644a4d64de

(1683)

on January 24, 2012
at 02:49 PM

I guess I'd decided it was a "sugar binge" because I really dont eat sugar with the exception of the teaspoon of raw honey in my little berry crumble...super mass quantity? maybe not....but it was definitely more sugar in one night than i usually consume.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on January 24, 2012
at 02:48 PM

As far as how it changed me, I think it helped me feel more empowered in my relationship to food. It also helped me to understand that we can push through things like hunger and discomfort with sheer willpower and through the power of our thoughts.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on January 24, 2012
at 02:47 PM

I found myself having the same issues after that week long fast. I think it takes a lot out of our willpower bank to not eat for that long. You hit a wall about 3 days in, start to feel week and kind of crappy. Once you get past that, it's not so bad. You also get a lot of dizzy spells from low blood pressure. You have to stand up slowly. Forget, and you risk fainting.

273729a18d2f18903815d2644a4d64de

(1683)

on January 24, 2012
at 02:46 PM

I'll try that. I LOVE SWEET POTATOES! So many people have told me to avoid the starches, but I'm not going to lie I ate a sweet potato with some met the other night and was FULL and had no desire to eat more (also because its sweeter I dont crave sugars).

273729a18d2f18903815d2644a4d64de

(1683)

on January 24, 2012
at 02:44 PM

It is very interesting. I've always wanted to see what would happen if I tried to do a week long fast (I made it 3 days on bone broth and green tea) BUT for some reason lately Ive lost my willpower to make it through 24 hours...even if Im not uncomfortably hungry Ill tell myself "Fuck it, Im eating" about 18 hours in :P What was the week long fast like?! How did it change you?!

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on January 24, 2012
at 02:42 PM

Joshua, you should say that "in your opinion" that her body needs carbs. Excessive excercise (such as Crossfit) actually slows down weight loss in some studies (read Lyle McDonald's stuff), and body builders have been using Ketogenic/low carb diets for years while still working out pretty darn hard. Once our bodies become keto adapted, exercise intensity goes back up. Most people wuss out long before that happens though. So a CKD is probably better for them. I would add that a common mistake on a low carb diet is not enough salt or water. This is why people can feel shitty.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on January 24, 2012
at 02:35 PM

That is a very healthy way of approaching things, in my book, and I think most of us here have a similar obsession. We are all mad scientists in a way, trying this and that and seeing what happens. And then we come here and share our experiences. Pretty cool. I've personally tried so many things, including a week long fast. And I've started to notice that food really does impact us like a drug. When you don't eat for a while, your brain chemistry changes, the things you think about change, and you become more reflective. Interesting, huh?

273729a18d2f18903815d2644a4d64de

(1683)

on January 24, 2012
at 02:33 PM

@Dave S. I appreciate it :D +124543

273729a18d2f18903815d2644a4d64de

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on January 24, 2012
at 02:33 PM

I love how you say it "owns" me...and it really does. Part of it is my ridiculous aversion to being average and the other part is curiosity. I really do like to know whats going on with my body/other peoples bodies and what people think about it. I spend every.waking.moment that I have nothing to do reading up on all of this because it fascinates me (Im a Nutrtion Pre-Med Major and plan on incorporating all of this into a future career in medicine) :D I think when I started here it was more of an obsessive, unhealthy thing but now EVERYTHING turns into a question for investigation :P

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on January 24, 2012
at 02:20 PM

I agree. It's all good. And you look phenomenal, by the way.

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8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on January 24, 2012
at 03:21 PM

Progress! It could have been worse. Take this as a lesson about dried fruit and chocolate. I avoid both, but I do have a bit of cocoa powder every once in awhile. I would also ease up on the crossfit and go for a few walks instead.

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246ebf68e35743f62e5e187891b9cba0

(21420)

on January 24, 2012
at 02:36 PM

Dear God, Crossfit 5/6 days a week!?

Your body needs carbs, and now it's resorted to bingeing.

Cycle or not, I think going to the reduced workout plan is going to help.

Eating some potatoes or sweet potatoes pre and post-workout is going to help as well - and as long as you don't go crazy on them, they won't impact your weightloss.

Sometimes people need sweet things too, but with your activity levels and the fact that you aren't really that overweight - if you aren't already eating some dense non-fructose carbs before/after workouts, I would guess that's the culprit.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on January 24, 2012
at 03:24 PM

Michelle, you may try a CKD. Low carb most of the time, except around workouts. It's a great way to hold onto lean body mass while enjoying a calorie defecit.

273729a18d2f18903815d2644a4d64de

(1683)

on January 24, 2012
at 05:55 PM

PSMf too?! im confused...SO MANY ACRONYMS!

273729a18d2f18903815d2644a4d64de

(1683)

on January 25, 2012
at 07:38 PM

Ive actually just started reading Lyle McDonald (yesterday)

246ebf68e35743f62e5e187891b9cba0

(21420)

on January 24, 2012
at 03:49 PM

Cody, I was specifically addressing the how/why of her binge and it's reasons, not trying to completely re-map her dietary protocol. As we've discussed in other threads, I'm quite familiar with Lyle's stuff. Also, if she is working out 6/7 times a week, then a CKD with it's specific carbohydrate timing around 1/2x weekly refeeds - isn't really a CKD at that point because she would be refeeding potentially every day.

273729a18d2f18903815d2644a4d64de

(1683)

on January 24, 2012
at 02:46 PM

I'll try that. I LOVE SWEET POTATOES! So many people have told me to avoid the starches, but I'm not going to lie I ate a sweet potato with some met the other night and was FULL and had no desire to eat more (also because its sweeter I dont crave sugars).

273729a18d2f18903815d2644a4d64de

(1683)

on January 24, 2012
at 05:54 PM

CKD? cyclical ketogenic diet am i right?! im not really familiar with this though.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on January 25, 2012
at 04:00 AM

Protein Sparing Modified Fast. If you are a student of the human body and nutrition, you HAVE to read Lyle McDonald. I'm on a PSMF right now. Have lost about 80 pounds or so on it, after losing 50 or so with just low carbing.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on January 24, 2012
at 02:42 PM

Joshua, you should say that "in your opinion" that her body needs carbs. Excessive excercise (such as Crossfit) actually slows down weight loss in some studies (read Lyle McDonald's stuff), and body builders have been using Ketogenic/low carb diets for years while still working out pretty darn hard. Once our bodies become keto adapted, exercise intensity goes back up. Most people wuss out long before that happens though. So a CKD is probably better for them. I would add that a common mistake on a low carb diet is not enough salt or water. This is why people can feel shitty.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on January 24, 2012
at 03:54 PM

I understood where you were coming from Joshua. Just adding additional info/points. My response was aimed at folks who don't have as much background on this type of stuff as we do. And she stated that she is cutting down on the Crossfit, which is why I mentioned the CKD. Even four days would be too much, though, unless maybe she did a PSMF type diet on non-workout days...

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on January 24, 2012
at 02:25 PM

Look. Plan on taking breaks from your diet. Do it weekly. It won't really hurt anything as long as these breaks aren't 10,000 calorie orgies of bad food.

What you ate was relatively healthy and sounds delicious.

If you give yourself room for this behavior on occasion (and we have evidence that humans did gorge from time to time), make it OK, and don't obsess about it, you will be happy and healthy and this won't own you any longer.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on January 24, 2012
at 02:35 PM

That is a very healthy way of approaching things, in my book, and I think most of us here have a similar obsession. We are all mad scientists in a way, trying this and that and seeing what happens. And then we come here and share our experiences. Pretty cool. I've personally tried so many things, including a week long fast. And I've started to notice that food really does impact us like a drug. When you don't eat for a while, your brain chemistry changes, the things you think about change, and you become more reflective. Interesting, huh?

273729a18d2f18903815d2644a4d64de

(1683)

on January 24, 2012
at 02:33 PM

I love how you say it "owns" me...and it really does. Part of it is my ridiculous aversion to being average and the other part is curiosity. I really do like to know whats going on with my body/other peoples bodies and what people think about it. I spend every.waking.moment that I have nothing to do reading up on all of this because it fascinates me (Im a Nutrtion Pre-Med Major and plan on incorporating all of this into a future career in medicine) :D I think when I started here it was more of an obsessive, unhealthy thing but now EVERYTHING turns into a question for investigation :P

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on January 24, 2012
at 02:49 PM

I think at your weight and body fat percentage, it would be much harder for you than it was for me. I was like 40% body fat when I did it.

Ccacf7567273244733bc991af4ac42ed

(5198)

on January 24, 2012
at 03:43 PM

I think that, just as there's times when it's ok to eat a lot and other times when it's a really bad idea, there's times when fasting is appropriate and times when it isn't. Historically, fasting for long periods wasn't driven by the body (unless sick), it was about food availability. So there's times when we are prepared and able hormonally to cope pretty well wtihout food, but other times when it's all working against us. I used to get annoyed by not being able to fast whenever I chose without effort, but I'm happy with a lot more give and take now.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on January 24, 2012
at 02:48 PM

As far as how it changed me, I think it helped me feel more empowered in my relationship to food. It also helped me to understand that we can push through things like hunger and discomfort with sheer willpower and through the power of our thoughts.

273729a18d2f18903815d2644a4d64de

(1683)

on January 24, 2012
at 02:44 PM

It is very interesting. I've always wanted to see what would happen if I tried to do a week long fast (I made it 3 days on bone broth and green tea) BUT for some reason lately Ive lost my willpower to make it through 24 hours...even if Im not uncomfortably hungry Ill tell myself "Fuck it, Im eating" about 18 hours in :P What was the week long fast like?! How did it change you?!

273729a18d2f18903815d2644a4d64de

(1683)

on January 24, 2012
at 02:57 PM

I was at 28%, 155 when I did it...so pretty average for a female. I'd really like to try it again with the broth and the green tea too see what happens. I actually broke it because a friend invited me over and made a HUGE meal (Paleo of course) and I was not about to pass it up...but day 3 I actually felt normal, had energy, and was able to Crossfit/Walk the Dog/Act normally and feel just fine.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on January 24, 2012
at 02:47 PM

I found myself having the same issues after that week long fast. I think it takes a lot out of our willpower bank to not eat for that long. You hit a wall about 3 days in, start to feel week and kind of crappy. Once you get past that, it's not so bad. You also get a lot of dizzy spells from low blood pressure. You have to stand up slowly. Forget, and you risk fainting.

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Ccacf7567273244733bc991af4ac42ed

on January 24, 2012
at 02:12 PM

Progress, progress and more progress. Maybe your body needed that bit of sugar, or maybe it was just more important not to stress about being perfect every single day. Whatever the reason, having good foods available and allowing yourself to eat them when you feel the need is always going to work out better than trying to 'control' yourself for the rest of your life. Maybe there were some less than ideal oils in the dried fruit? Incredibly marginal though - 15 minutes of eating dried fruit once in 8 months is just eating as far as I'm concerned.

If you start getting into habits or craving things more often you might want to start paying attention but right now I wouldn't worry!

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on January 24, 2012
at 02:20 PM

I agree. It's all good. And you look phenomenal, by the way.

Bf57bcbdc19d4f1728599053acd020ab

(5043)

on January 24, 2012
at 04:09 PM

If som dried fruit and 2 pieces of dark chocolate is a binge then I'm in deep trouble.

273729a18d2f18903815d2644a4d64de

(1683)

on January 24, 2012
at 02:33 PM

@Dave S. I appreciate it :D +124543

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B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on January 24, 2012
at 02:43 PM

you might need to find a new name for this little indulgence. the fact that you were able to stop after what sounds like a reasonable portion disqualifies this as a binge doesn't it?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

Show me one person who has been able to restrict indefinately. And I'll show you a liar.

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on January 24, 2012
at 03:40 PM

its inevitable if you believe it is :) that was my only point. spin to win my friend!

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on January 24, 2012
at 02:56 PM

ahhhh Cody you had me smiling till you added "inevitable" and "pig out". a planned indulgence is neither.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on January 24, 2012
at 02:51 PM

Call it a planned diet break, a free meal, refeeding, what have you. When you plan it and give it a more positive name, and realize that it is inevitable, embrace your own true nature, and just pig out from time to time, then you'll find that life is good.

273729a18d2f18903815d2644a4d64de

(1683)

on January 24, 2012
at 02:49 PM

I guess I'd decided it was a "sugar binge" because I really dont eat sugar with the exception of the teaspoon of raw honey in my little berry crumble...super mass quantity? maybe not....but it was definitely more sugar in one night than i usually consume.

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on January 24, 2012
at 04:12 PM

perhaps i'm being obtuse..your comment initially suggested "give it a more positive name" and then you added inevitable and pig out- neither being very positive. my 2nd comment was unrelated but spoke to the power of the mind, aka self fullfilling prophecies. sorry for the lack of clarity

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on January 24, 2012
at 03:21 PM

It is inevitable, though, right? When you restrict and restrict and restrict, you want and want and want. And eventually wanting wins. Pigging out was meant in fun.

Ccacf7567273244733bc991af4ac42ed

(5198)

on January 24, 2012
at 03:44 PM

There's a time and a place - it's not the same as inevitable though.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on January 24, 2012
at 05:04 PM

If you don't plan for a diet break/refeed, whatever, you will eventually lose control, and most people feel bad about that, right? I think we are on the same page, it's just semantics.

Ccacf7567273244733bc991af4ac42ed

(5198)

on January 24, 2012
at 05:43 PM

It depends what you mean by diet though. Sure the restriction used to come naturally, but it didn't drive us mad not being able to eat fruit in january. That's something we've invented, ergo not inevitable.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on January 24, 2012
at 03:22 PM

Lyle McDonald has a great book on flexible dieting. Highly suggested reading.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on January 25, 2012
at 04:01 AM

Danny. Think about this. If our ancestors were being restricted from food (like we now diet), what happens when they come across a patch of blueberries??? Is that not inevitable and the same thing that happens to all humans when their food intake is restricted (on purpose or not)? What a great conversation, by the way. ;)

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