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Created July 18, 2011 at 8:50 PM

How much cheese is too much cheese at a given time? Engaging in an experiment today I have eaten approx. .5kg of cheese(a variety of grocery store cheeses: parmegian, gouda and white cheddar). The sodium tally equates to 4+ grams consumed over three meals at intervals of 4-4.5 hours. Nevertheless, I feel quite fine, minus a little dry mouth and some slight signs of an accelerated heart rate(possibly atttributable to calcium). I am seeking some feedback on whether this quantity of sodium would be a dangerous thing long term as well as the calcium levels(and absorbability). Is this a one way street to health problems? I have heard that Northern Europeans have adjusted to dairy diets and that cheese has little effect(like superman and freight trains/bullets): is the casein kryptonitic or benign? What of the other ingredients in cheese(store-bought), eg. rennet, etc. Would this portend the doom of the Teutonic ubermensch? Or is the cheesy goodness really all that and a bag of...cheese curds??

D42a1f9a7a687e5354cc362d50bced56

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on July 19, 2011
at 09:31 AM

Cheese is pretty protein dense, especially hard cheeses. My understanding is that large amounts of protein can also raise Blood Sugar levels as some is converted to glucose by the liver after ingestion - depending on muscular uptake. See http://lowcarb4u.blogspot.com/2009/07/how-can-eating-excess-protein-raise.html

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

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on July 19, 2011
at 04:37 AM

I just got some more test strips, so next time I binge on cheese I'll try to get some blood glucose readings.

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

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on July 19, 2011
at 02:34 AM

I am half French, half white trash. So I would say "Fromage! Put it on a corndog!"

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on July 19, 2011
at 02:31 AM

I don't think cheese could spike blood sugar. I could see insulin release but not an actual raise in blood sugar levels. Am I wrong?

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on July 19, 2011
at 02:30 AM

Hey hey, the real Italians among us know that the true king of cheese is raw Tellagio. Conversation. Is. Over:P

34a367e60db77270bd7096dc04270fdc

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on July 19, 2011
at 02:08 AM

To be fair - he did say he is HALF Italian =)

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

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on July 18, 2011
at 11:27 PM

You are NOT italian - if you were you would have said - Io sono mezzo italiano! Parmigiano sto arrivando!

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

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on July 18, 2011
at 11:11 PM

I thought the spike was considerably less than milk or yogurt http://www.marksdailyapple.com/insulin-index/ www.mmcdiet.com/mydocuments/download.php?f=insindx.pdf

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on July 18, 2011
at 10:55 PM

Wait a minute...I'M half Italian! Parmesan here I come!

8caffe4dea631347b447e9f4e12fb2da

(589)

on July 18, 2011
at 10:50 PM

Natural Cave aged cheddar from Vermont definately the best.

B491d655571603d4efc7e89660addea2

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on July 18, 2011
at 10:42 PM

Dairy can cause insulin spikes. Don't have a reference handy, but you can google it.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on July 18, 2011
at 10:04 PM

Todd: what relationship exists between BS and cheese? Given the low-zero carbs?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on July 18, 2011
at 10:03 PM

Carbs: 70 grams max. per day. No blood sugar hypertension here. Must be the salt although I did consume(not a usual thing) 2 doses of 10 coffee beans.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on July 18, 2011
at 10:00 PM

I usaully don't eat cheese...just an experiment to possibly go lacto-ovo-paleo-VLC in the diet and omit meat for various reasons. Usually sodium is in the form of 1 dozen eggs, possibly 1 can of Tuna per day.

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

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on July 18, 2011
at 09:38 PM

"portend the doom of the Teutonic ubermensch?" That is priceless :)

50637dfd7dc7a7e811d82283f4f5fd10

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on July 18, 2011
at 09:32 PM

Cheese spikes the sh*t out of my BS... very sad, because I could eat a block of parmesian faster than I could eat a steak.

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

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on July 18, 2011
at 09:31 PM

"portend the doom of the Teutonic ubermensch?" lol

76d0056c773673e24b8c57a685d504ed

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on July 18, 2011
at 09:21 PM

Parm is totally the king of cheeses...just stick a leftover Parm rind into your simmering soup---it gives the most amazing flavor to the broth.

50637dfd7dc7a7e811d82283f4f5fd10

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on July 18, 2011
at 09:20 PM

Could the accelerated heart rate be from a blood sugar surge?

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on July 18, 2011
at 09:13 PM

PersonMan - you really are the ultimate OCD diet tweaker. By the way Parmesan Reggiano is the best cheese eva.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on August 07, 2011
at 05:37 PM

i think the heart rate is attributable to a raised metabolic rate: that amount of fat is like dumping fuel onto a fire... it's gonna burn, baby! particularly in the absence of carbs, when it won't be stored.

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0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

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on July 18, 2011
at 09:55 PM

I don't know much about cheese, but I follow all sorts of maniacs (said lovingly) on FB - this guy just posted this about Parm.

DID U KNOW THAT raw parmesan cheese-the highest source of protein, calcium and glutamic acid among dairy products? It helps to form the tranquilizing amino acid GABA which acts like natural valium and also helps to detoxify ammonia from the body. Although an excitatory neurotransmitter, glutamic acid from parmesan cheese is not the same as the excitatory MSG. Its consumption from scrumptious foods like parmesan cheese is highly encouraged especially for men who are half Italian like myself.lf.men who are half Italian like myself.

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on July 19, 2011
at 02:34 AM

I am half French, half white trash. So I would say "Fromage! Put it on a corndog!"

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on July 18, 2011
at 11:27 PM

You are NOT italian - if you were you would have said - Io sono mezzo italiano! Parmigiano sto arrivando!

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on July 19, 2011
at 02:30 AM

Hey hey, the real Italians among us know that the true king of cheese is raw Tellagio. Conversation. Is. Over:P

Medium avatar

(19479)

on July 18, 2011
at 10:55 PM

Wait a minute...I'M half Italian! Parmesan here I come!

34a367e60db77270bd7096dc04270fdc

(4171)

on July 19, 2011
at 02:08 AM

To be fair - he did say he is HALF Italian =)

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64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

(15236)

on July 18, 2011
at 09:28 PM

I actually ate about 225g of raw morbier cheese last night around 7pm. I also noticed an accelerated heart rate when trying to go to sleep around 10.

As for the other questions, I see so much variability between quality cheese and crap cheese. Like mcdonalds vs grass fed ground beef, if we eat the quality stuff I can't imagine our bodies would let us eat 'too much'.

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

(15236)

on July 19, 2011
at 04:37 AM

I just got some more test strips, so next time I binge on cheese I'll try to get some blood glucose readings.

50637dfd7dc7a7e811d82283f4f5fd10

(5838)

on July 18, 2011
at 09:32 PM

Cheese spikes the sh*t out of my BS... very sad, because I could eat a block of parmesian faster than I could eat a steak.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on July 18, 2011
at 10:04 PM

Todd: what relationship exists between BS and cheese? Given the low-zero carbs?

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

(15236)

on July 18, 2011
at 11:11 PM

I thought the spike was considerably less than milk or yogurt http://www.marksdailyapple.com/insulin-index/ www.mmcdiet.com/mydocuments/download.php?f=insindx.pdf

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on July 19, 2011
at 02:31 AM

I don't think cheese could spike blood sugar. I could see insulin release but not an actual raise in blood sugar levels. Am I wrong?

B491d655571603d4efc7e89660addea2

(30)

on July 18, 2011
at 10:42 PM

Dairy can cause insulin spikes. Don't have a reference handy, but you can google it.

D42a1f9a7a687e5354cc362d50bced56

(80)

on July 19, 2011
at 09:31 AM

Cheese is pretty protein dense, especially hard cheeses. My understanding is that large amounts of protein can also raise Blood Sugar levels as some is converted to glucose by the liver after ingestion - depending on muscular uptake. See http://lowcarb4u.blogspot.com/2009/07/how-can-eating-excess-protein-raise.html

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76d0056c773673e24b8c57a685d504ed

on July 18, 2011
at 09:19 PM

Here is an article with a little snippet about sodium (if you scroll down) and it suggests that sodium intake should range between 1.5-2.3 grams per day. Since you love cheese, perhaps try ones with less sodium like ricotta or fresh mozzarella (of course every brand is different so you'll have to check our labels still).

I hope this helps!

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-much-is-too-much-round-2/

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on July 18, 2011
at 10:00 PM

I usaully don't eat cheese...just an experiment to possibly go lacto-ovo-paleo-VLC in the diet and omit meat for various reasons. Usually sodium is in the form of 1 dozen eggs, possibly 1 can of Tuna per day.

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