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Low Lectin no Sugar diet?

Answered on December 30, 2014
Created October 02, 2011 at 11:51 PM

Hello dears.

After so many years of experimentation, I've found that a low-Lectin no-sugar diet makes me feel optimal. This is the exclusion of...

-dairy -tubers -corn -minimal eggs -nuts -pork -fruit -honey/agave/all sugars

By optimal I mean that my digestion, immunity, energy levels, and mood are all stable. Now here's the thing- If i eat even a little of the above foods, i feel the effects. But I get angry/resentful with such a restrictive diet and will "cheat" and then not only feel suboptimal, but shamed, guilty, and angry too. Negative feedback cycle ensues.

So my question is...

Does anybody else follow this protocol? How do you keep it feeling unrestrictive? Do you have a 'safe' food reward?

Bd271299b2d4d9b2e3da9c252fef058c

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on October 04, 2011
at 02:59 PM

Sage, I don't feel cheated, I have difficulty with the restrictions I would like to keep. Of *course* I'm grateful not to be in a refugee camp, but as long as I am not and I live in a first world country I think it is worth asking questions like this.

Bd271299b2d4d9b2e3da9c252fef058c

(2854)

on October 04, 2011
at 12:47 PM

Ah, yes. I thought it might be 'obsessive paleohacker'.

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

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on October 04, 2011
at 07:48 AM

Original poster.

Bd271299b2d4d9b2e3da9c252fef058c

(2854)

on October 04, 2011
at 02:12 AM

What's an OP???

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on October 04, 2011
at 01:30 AM

Nice one Kamal, interesting as always. I love the bit about sweet potatoes. Sometimes I wonder how much of issues like the OP's are in their head. Like, tell them that there are no lectins in X food and then they eat it and feel fine. Not picking on this OP particularly, I just mean questions of this sort.

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on October 04, 2011
at 12:07 AM

A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool. I am endowed with foolishness to believe in the fructoselessness of dates. Et tu dates? Et tu???

Bd271299b2d4d9b2e3da9c252fef058c

(2854)

on October 04, 2011
at 12:01 AM

Good call on the kale chips... Maybe I need to make a ton and store them in cupboard. They definitely are a rewarding food that I find to be guilt-free, sans a few stinky toots.

Bd271299b2d4d9b2e3da9c252fef058c

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on October 03, 2011
at 10:42 PM

Korion, what supplements are you thinking of? Anti-agglutinators? Maybe kelp capsules are worth experimenting with...

Bd271299b2d4d9b2e3da9c252fef058c

(2854)

on October 03, 2011
at 10:42 PM

moody food of us that trade in love!!

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on October 03, 2011
at 09:50 PM

Friends, Romans, Meredith, lend me your ears! Dates are roughly 50% fructose.

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

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on October 03, 2011
at 08:29 PM

O a plague on my house! I see you listed dairy as a no no. Sorry :( Dates are still rewarding though.

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

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on October 03, 2011
at 08:28 PM

Oh it truly sucketh that thou cannot partake in the foods you love - parting with them must be such sweet, sweet sorrow! Art thou able to consume cream cheese or soft cheese products? My high reward holiday delight is a date filled with cream cheese. Maybe sprinkled with a little sea salt for the salty sweet combo. THis says Dates have no Fructose:

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on October 03, 2011
at 07:22 PM

Don't get angry. Eat another steak, have a beer and celebrate being able to eat beef and wheat. Happy Oktoberfest!

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

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on October 03, 2011
at 07:16 PM

why do you feel cheated? what i mean is why don't you feel thankful that you have so many options open to you? its only by some amazing twist of fate that i am not in a refugee camp waiting for anything food-like to come my way.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on October 03, 2011
at 06:14 PM

Wherefore art thou not considering rice syrup? It might fit your criteria due to high food reward coupled with no fructose, as opposed the the aforementioned sweet things.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on October 03, 2011
at 05:20 PM

Did you experiment with supplements to make your diet more bearable?

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21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on October 03, 2011
at 09:15 PM

Tough one. There's no shame in feeling shamed, but it's lame to be out of the game (not eating food you like). A few more rewarding foods that may be considered:

Sushi: The core ingredients don't seem to have lectins or fructose. Some people love love love sushi. Maybe one of them is you?

Alternative tubers: It seems to be hard to find lists of lectin contents. But, totally speculating here, the "older" tubers from Africa have been eaten for a lot longer than tubers like potatoes and cassava. So maybe some taro chips are in order? Not that I know if they have lower lectin contents or not.

Lectin variety: I bet you've already thought of this one, but might as well repeat it. If different lectins have different reactions in different people, eating a small amount of lectins from a variety of different plants low in lectins would mimic the ancestral high-food-variety life. Since you don't eat wheat/soy, the major sources of lectins are obviously gone, so maybe it just takes one more step to get to an acceptable level?

Watery fruits: The one that comes to mind, which is often villified for high fructose content, is watermelon. But strawberries have very few grams of fructose per ounce of tastiness.

Kale chips: No lectins, no sugar?

Sweet Potato: "(Lectin) Does not react with human cells. Reacts with rabbit cells." (From http://www.ajcn.org/content/33/11/2338.full.pdf)

Non-nutritive Ingestive Behavior: I'm not sure why they don't think of a pithier name for this. But coffee and tea, flavored to the max, has less lectins than most foods (if I recall correctly). Peppermint tea with coconut cream?

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on October 04, 2011
at 01:30 AM

Nice one Kamal, interesting as always. I love the bit about sweet potatoes. Sometimes I wonder how much of issues like the OP's are in their head. Like, tell them that there are no lectins in X food and then they eat it and feel fine. Not picking on this OP particularly, I just mean questions of this sort.

Bd271299b2d4d9b2e3da9c252fef058c

(2854)

on October 04, 2011
at 12:47 PM

Ah, yes. I thought it might be 'obsessive paleohacker'.

Bd271299b2d4d9b2e3da9c252fef058c

(2854)

on October 04, 2011
at 12:01 AM

Good call on the kale chips... Maybe I need to make a ton and store them in cupboard. They definitely are a rewarding food that I find to be guilt-free, sans a few stinky toots.

Bd271299b2d4d9b2e3da9c252fef058c

(2854)

on October 04, 2011
at 02:12 AM

What's an OP???

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

(9647)

on October 04, 2011
at 07:48 AM

Original poster.

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on October 03, 2011
at 08:50 PM

I consider a well-grilled fresh king salmon filet on a bed of finely shredded cabbage to be a safe reward. The same goes for grouper or halibut, provided they're well buttered.

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on December 30, 2014
at 10:50 AM

Comfort food: Roast pieces of pumpkin until they're nice and brown in whatever fat you can have (have you checked if you can have ghee?).  Keep the skin on if it's soft enough to eat.  Blend it up with chicken stock.  The smooth consistency is very comforting.  (Make your chicken stock in a slow cooker and freeze it in portions.)

I understand the emotional reaction to foods you don't tolerate.. Easy to slip into aargh-there's-nothing-I-can-eat mode when you've compromised your wellbeing.

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on October 03, 2011
at 04:39 PM

I'd be angry too if I gave up ALL of those. I am lucky, I guess, because I experience an almost opiate level of well-being by giving up grains, processed sweeteners, dairy (except occasional butter/heavy cream) and starchy veggies. I am able to eat lots of fruit and non-starchy veggies and that only seems to increase the sense of healing/fat-burning overnight. I don't eat many nuts and no seed oils. I eat LOTS of fatty meat. Sometimes I eat 3 eggs per day and sometimes I go weeks without, but they seem neutral for me. The only sweeteners I'm able to use without consequences are less than a tsp of either honey or blackstrap molasses per day (for coffee.)

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