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two-fold question: Manwich on lean ground turkey AND Cheat Day?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created September 06, 2012 at 5:17 PM

Hi - I've been on paleo for a 11 days. I did have a cheat day after the 7th day and I fear it messed things up though Im trucking along. Can't seem to find a definitive answer on this. ALSO can you use manwich sauce on lean ground turkey breast or is it high in sugar? (I'm obviously not infront of a can). Thanks from Frisco, Texas!

2a00b9a42e4cb6e489a0e69d20714576

(3043)

on September 07, 2012
at 01:50 PM

Cook with virgin coconut oil.Pam is terrible. And if your on a diet coke kick I plead with you to watch "Sweet Misery".

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(5381)

on September 06, 2012
at 10:42 PM

IDK what that "pam spray" is made with, but on the surface it sounds pretty dodge (paleo is generally opposed to standard vegetable oils, like canola. Oils with a lower levels of omega-6 are regarded as good, such as coconut, palm, avocado and olive). What about using butter or coconut palm oil instead?

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on September 06, 2012
at 10:38 PM

^ Commercial farmed meats are also more monounsaturated than saturated. Certain animals are higher than others in SF, so possibly HGs would have gotten less than someone who eats just beef. People who eat a wide mix of meats should be about the same IMO. By HG traditional cooking you mean either slow cooking a distance above the fire, or slow cooking by wrapping in leaves and burying with hot rocks no? As an aside, BTW IMO the greeks were not fine at all mentally. They created stoicism, and trained young boys for sex. IMO totally crazy people, historically. A legacy we still live with.

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(5381)

on September 06, 2012
at 10:37 PM

^ Commercial farmed meats are also more monounsaturated than saturated. Certain animals are higher than others, so possibly HGs would have gotten less than someone who eats primarily just beef. People who eat a wide mix of meats should be about the same IMO. By HG traditional cooking you mean either slow cooking a distance above the fire, or slow cooking by wrapping in leaves and burying with hot rocks no? As an aside, BTW IMO the greeks were not fine at all mentally. They created stoicism, and trained young boys for sex. IMO totally crazy people, historically. A legacy we still live with.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on September 06, 2012
at 10:28 PM

^ Commercial farmed meats are also more monounsaturated than saturated. Certain animals are higher than others, so possibly HGs would have gotten less than someone who eats primarily just beef. People who eat a wide mix of meats should be about the same IMO. By HG traditional cooking you mean either slow cooking a distance above the fire, or slow cooking by wrapping in leaves and burying with hot rocks no? As an aside, BTW IMO the greeks were not fine at all mentally, they were a mess. The created stoicism and trained young boys for sex.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on September 06, 2012
at 07:47 PM

I drink water, iced tea, and some coffee. No sodas, especially not diet sodas. If you read the ingredient list, it should make you shudder!

B55bb002087a8f04ef4b892bd0a111e6

on September 06, 2012
at 07:09 PM

Agreed. The one cheat day made it that much harder to get back on track. I'll up my water intake. Do you drink any diet coke? That's all I think. Thanks so much!

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on September 06, 2012
at 07:08 PM

The daily up and down of the scale is perfectly normal and likely tied to water weight. I weigh myself at most once a week and go by how my clothes are fitting as an indicator of change in body composition. I am a binge eater and do not cheat. That creates a slippery slope for me and I don't want to go there again.

B55bb002087a8f04ef4b892bd0a111e6

on September 06, 2012
at 06:49 PM

you've both been awesomely helpful. I've been sticking to mostly lean meats but I have been eating nuts, avocado, olive oil (sparingly). Cooking with Pam spray. Feel better that way I'm lebanese raised on a mediterranean diet so the fatty meats don't really make me feel great. I Have discovered however, the joy of uncured nitrate free bacon :) THe thing is (and I know I need to stop weighing myself) I FEEL great but one day the scale is down three pounds and next day up 3 lbs.not sure what I'm doing wrong. All I can pinpoint is maybe too many nuts, a banana some raw honey. Thoughts? cheat day?

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on September 06, 2012
at 06:02 PM

For the record, commonly hunted wild animals do not have a lot of saturated fat in them- it is predominantly monounsaturated. Also, HGs (at least in Africa) seem to prepare their meats in a way that is not very conducive to rendering any of the fatty tissue. Ancient Greeks ("the finest of people, physically and mentally, that ever lived") symbolically gave the fatty parts of the meat as offerings to their Gods. Perhaps their was some wisdom in the tradition.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on September 06, 2012
at 06:02 PM

For the record, wild animals do not have a lot of saturated fat in them- it is predominantly monounsaturated. Also, HGs (at least in Africa) seem to prepare their meats in a way that is not very conducive to rendering any of the fatty tissue. Ancient Greeks ("the finest of people, physically and mentally, that ever lived") symbolically gave the fatty parts of the meat as offerings to their Gods. Perhaps their was some wisdom in the tradition.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on September 06, 2012
at 06:00 PM

For the record, wild animals do not have a lot of saturated fat in them- it is predominantly monounsaturated. Also, HGs (at least in Africa) seem to prepare their meats in a way that is not very conducive to rendering any of the fatty tissue. Ancient Greeks symbolically gave the fatty parts of the meat as offerings to their Gods.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on September 06, 2012
at 05:56 PM

...but otherwise I agree with MG's response to forgo the sauce. Also, if you do experiment to see how you feel on lean meat paleo vs fatty meat paleo, make sure you are at least getting some additional fats in (aside from the lean meat and seafood) through things like nuts, seeds, and olive oil.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on September 06, 2012
at 05:55 PM

.... but otherwise agree MG to forgo the sauce. Also, if you do go the lean meat route, I'd also make sure you are getting SOME fats in your diet from seafood, nuts, and olive oil.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on September 06, 2012
at 05:51 PM

@ Cedarchick: You are correct- there are different trains of thought on the lean vs non-lean meat debate. I think you just need to find what works for you and do it regardless of what people telly you is better. I personally do lean meats.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on September 06, 2012
at 05:50 PM

If you are eating conventionally raised meats (i.e. supermarket meat, not grass-fed or pastured), then lean meats are best. However, you need to get fat from somewhere: avocados, coconut oil, olive oil, etc. Also, uncured bacon is your friend. If you are buying grass-fed meats, enjoy the hell out of the fat.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on September 06, 2012
at 05:49 PM

There are different paleo "camps." I for one am for the lean meat and fish camp. The fattiest cuts of meat I eat are pork loin. I do consume olive oil and nuts though.

B55bb002087a8f04ef4b892bd0a111e6

on September 06, 2012
at 05:45 PM

Ok now I really am confused :) There seems to be a paleo train of thought where one eats lean meats (I have seen several of these lists) and then another where fatty uncured, nitrate free meats and bacons are used. Which is it? I'd really like to succeed on this because for once a food plan hasn't seemed like misery.

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61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on September 06, 2012
at 05:32 PM

The ingredient list contains things I wouldn't eat: high fructose corn syrup, corn syrup, and sugar. You can make your own sloppy joes using tomato paste, water (to thin), salt, pepper, garlic, onion, and whatever other seasonings you like.

Also, why lean turkey? Are you getting fat from another source?

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on September 06, 2012
at 07:47 PM

I drink water, iced tea, and some coffee. No sodas, especially not diet sodas. If you read the ingredient list, it should make you shudder!

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on September 06, 2012
at 05:56 PM

...but otherwise I agree with MG's response to forgo the sauce. Also, if you do experiment to see how you feel on lean meat paleo vs fatty meat paleo, make sure you are at least getting some additional fats in (aside from the lean meat and seafood) through things like nuts, seeds, and olive oil.

B55bb002087a8f04ef4b892bd0a111e6

on September 06, 2012
at 07:09 PM

Agreed. The one cheat day made it that much harder to get back on track. I'll up my water intake. Do you drink any diet coke? That's all I think. Thanks so much!

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on September 06, 2012
at 05:49 PM

There are different paleo "camps." I for one am for the lean meat and fish camp. The fattiest cuts of meat I eat are pork loin. I do consume olive oil and nuts though.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on September 06, 2012
at 05:50 PM

If you are eating conventionally raised meats (i.e. supermarket meat, not grass-fed or pastured), then lean meats are best. However, you need to get fat from somewhere: avocados, coconut oil, olive oil, etc. Also, uncured bacon is your friend. If you are buying grass-fed meats, enjoy the hell out of the fat.

B55bb002087a8f04ef4b892bd0a111e6

on September 06, 2012
at 05:45 PM

Ok now I really am confused :) There seems to be a paleo train of thought where one eats lean meats (I have seen several of these lists) and then another where fatty uncured, nitrate free meats and bacons are used. Which is it? I'd really like to succeed on this because for once a food plan hasn't seemed like misery.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on September 06, 2012
at 07:08 PM

The daily up and down of the scale is perfectly normal and likely tied to water weight. I weigh myself at most once a week and go by how my clothes are fitting as an indicator of change in body composition. I am a binge eater and do not cheat. That creates a slippery slope for me and I don't want to go there again.

B55bb002087a8f04ef4b892bd0a111e6

on September 06, 2012
at 06:49 PM

you've both been awesomely helpful. I've been sticking to mostly lean meats but I have been eating nuts, avocado, olive oil (sparingly). Cooking with Pam spray. Feel better that way I'm lebanese raised on a mediterranean diet so the fatty meats don't really make me feel great. I Have discovered however, the joy of uncured nitrate free bacon :) THe thing is (and I know I need to stop weighing myself) I FEEL great but one day the scale is down three pounds and next day up 3 lbs.not sure what I'm doing wrong. All I can pinpoint is maybe too many nuts, a banana some raw honey. Thoughts? cheat day?

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on September 06, 2012
at 05:55 PM

.... but otherwise agree MG to forgo the sauce. Also, if you do go the lean meat route, I'd also make sure you are getting SOME fats in your diet from seafood, nuts, and olive oil.

2a00b9a42e4cb6e489a0e69d20714576

(3043)

on September 07, 2012
at 01:50 PM

Cook with virgin coconut oil.Pam is terrible. And if your on a diet coke kick I plead with you to watch "Sweet Misery".

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on September 06, 2012
at 05:51 PM

@ Cedarchick: You are correct- there are different trains of thought on the lean vs non-lean meat debate. I think you just need to find what works for you and do it regardless of what people telly you is better. I personally do lean meats.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on September 06, 2012
at 10:42 PM

IDK what that "pam spray" is made with, but on the surface it sounds pretty dodge (paleo is generally opposed to standard vegetable oils, like canola. Oils with a lower levels of omega-6 are regarded as good, such as coconut, palm, avocado and olive). What about using butter or coconut palm oil instead?

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B3de48c5f099ec6d7c3435a16efaaaa5

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on September 06, 2012
at 05:54 PM

Cedarchick, It's not that you cannot have ground turkey. It just depends on who you ask. I personally do better with heavier meats like ground (grass fed) beef. I like the taste better and I don't have to think about the fat. What MathGirl72 is getting at is that fattier cuts of meat are fine in other trains of thought regarding Paleo. When I first started out, I was eating lean meats with extra fat added. I struggle with getting fats and when I read Primal Blueprint, it exonerated saturated fats from animals. So now that animal fats are fine, I gladly accepted the information. For me, it simply seems more natural to me when preparing my food. C'mon...who doesn't love bacon grease with their eggs?!

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on September 06, 2012
at 06:00 PM

For the record, wild animals do not have a lot of saturated fat in them- it is predominantly monounsaturated. Also, HGs (at least in Africa) seem to prepare their meats in a way that is not very conducive to rendering any of the fatty tissue. Ancient Greeks symbolically gave the fatty parts of the meat as offerings to their Gods.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on September 06, 2012
at 06:02 PM

For the record, commonly hunted wild animals do not have a lot of saturated fat in them- it is predominantly monounsaturated. Also, HGs (at least in Africa) seem to prepare their meats in a way that is not very conducive to rendering any of the fatty tissue. Ancient Greeks ("the finest of people, physically and mentally, that ever lived") symbolically gave the fatty parts of the meat as offerings to their Gods. Perhaps their was some wisdom in the tradition.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on September 06, 2012
at 10:38 PM

^ Commercial farmed meats are also more monounsaturated than saturated. Certain animals are higher than others in SF, so possibly HGs would have gotten less than someone who eats just beef. People who eat a wide mix of meats should be about the same IMO. By HG traditional cooking you mean either slow cooking a distance above the fire, or slow cooking by wrapping in leaves and burying with hot rocks no? As an aside, BTW IMO the greeks were not fine at all mentally. They created stoicism, and trained young boys for sex. IMO totally crazy people, historically. A legacy we still live with.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on September 06, 2012
at 06:02 PM

For the record, wild animals do not have a lot of saturated fat in them- it is predominantly monounsaturated. Also, HGs (at least in Africa) seem to prepare their meats in a way that is not very conducive to rendering any of the fatty tissue. Ancient Greeks ("the finest of people, physically and mentally, that ever lived") symbolically gave the fatty parts of the meat as offerings to their Gods. Perhaps their was some wisdom in the tradition.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on September 06, 2012
at 10:28 PM

^ Commercial farmed meats are also more monounsaturated than saturated. Certain animals are higher than others, so possibly HGs would have gotten less than someone who eats primarily just beef. People who eat a wide mix of meats should be about the same IMO. By HG traditional cooking you mean either slow cooking a distance above the fire, or slow cooking by wrapping in leaves and burying with hot rocks no? As an aside, BTW IMO the greeks were not fine at all mentally, they were a mess. The created stoicism and trained young boys for sex.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on September 06, 2012
at 10:37 PM

^ Commercial farmed meats are also more monounsaturated than saturated. Certain animals are higher than others, so possibly HGs would have gotten less than someone who eats primarily just beef. People who eat a wide mix of meats should be about the same IMO. By HG traditional cooking you mean either slow cooking a distance above the fire, or slow cooking by wrapping in leaves and burying with hot rocks no? As an aside, BTW IMO the greeks were not fine at all mentally. They created stoicism, and trained young boys for sex. IMO totally crazy people, historically. A legacy we still live with.

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