5

votes

Arguments that changed your mind about diet and health?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created August 21, 2012 at 4:18 PM

What arguments have you heard that changed your mind and led to a shift in your attitudes/behaviors about a dietary/fitness/medical paradigm that you have been following? What convinced you?

Ex.

  1. Reading Paul Jaminet's Perfect Health Diet and eating safe starches for a low carber
  2. Mark Sisson on strength training and "chronic cardio" leading to heart disease for a marathon runner

3bc294cb7745a5e99612ff886ca00101

(1186)

on December 07, 2012
at 01:38 PM

low-fat whole grain diet for 'good health'? the link is broken, which is probably a good thing.

A3c56c85290f748410a6f340ddd552b3

(321)

on December 07, 2012
at 03:29 AM

Wow. I admit that I've thought the PCT would be awesome to accomplish and also that I'd HAVE to get fitter/leaner while doing it. Silly EDNOS talking, there.

0b7c3e7fd96005f0b2dfd781e512fc2e

(1237)

on December 06, 2012
at 10:38 AM

What are some examples of sugar in a PUFA-free context? What foods?

5f3e1f803d7a9b8704bb11cda26bcf9a

(658)

on August 24, 2012
at 03:29 PM

(+) on the mention that SAD "healthy" just perpetuates the hunger. If you read the labels of foods that have labels (true paleo needs no labels) most show some kind of addition of "flavor" that stimulates hunger. Starches also do that to me because of the blood sugar swings. Once my blood sugar was controlled, I found that I am not hungry, don't think about food (unless I am on Paleo Hacks :) and DON'T have to eat multiple small meals a day (THAT proved to be a pain in the a$$) I eat a (dare I say it here?) Kruse-esk BAB (<50 gm) and Cruise for the rest of the day until dinner at 5.

A7925ab8ea44e6d4d5d7c6f202632c6c

(404)

on August 22, 2012
at 06:39 AM

@Chelsea that'a the point: there is no "healthy" food, any food contributes to killing us in one way or another: there are anecdotal stories about yoga-masters capable of not eating anything for years and decades...

5f3e1f803d7a9b8704bb11cda26bcf9a

(658)

on August 21, 2012
at 11:11 PM

Yeah, I found Chris about the time I started working on healing my gut and his information supported what everyone else was saying about leaky gut, micro flora and it's realtionship to our health both mental and physical (and explained it better). I like how he says, when asked a question, "It depends" because he knows that we all are dealing with different health issues and there is not a one size fits all.

Cccb899526fb5908f64176e0a74ed2d9

(2801)

on August 21, 2012
at 06:57 PM

She's off-kilter for sure, and not someone from whom to receive definitive medical or dietary guidance. But it prompted me to try something different and it worked.

2a00b9a42e4cb6e489a0e69d20714576

(3043)

on August 21, 2012
at 06:36 PM

I was looking at that blog. Seems like she is entirely focused on being able to reach a state of not eating at all.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on August 21, 2012
at 06:15 PM

Your first comment reminded me of a Blacksploitation film from the 70s my hubby was watching last week. One of the characters mention "catching the sugar." I about died laughing.

Cccb899526fb5908f64176e0a74ed2d9

(2801)

on August 21, 2012
at 05:59 PM

I haven't seen a day above 60g of carbs in months.

Cccb899526fb5908f64176e0a74ed2d9

(2801)

on August 21, 2012
at 05:58 PM

Eh, I'm not particularly strict about protein moderation actually. I probably eat 130-170g a day, never going above 190g or below 110g.

43f469552cfd3be73fc88a9821b14986

on August 21, 2012
at 05:34 PM

And especially in the past 100 years. http://evolutionarypsychiatry.blogspot.com/2011/08/neuroregulation-of-appetite.html

43f469552cfd3be73fc88a9821b14986

on August 21, 2012
at 04:46 PM

So you moderated protein in addition to lowering carbs?

Frontpage book

Get FREE instant access to our Paleo For Beginners Guide & 15 FREE Recipes!

18 Answers

4
A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

(12682)

on August 21, 2012
at 05:50 PM

I was a vegetarian (but sort of a fake one because I often ate fish) and had been for two years. After a lot of research (spurned by finding Stephan Guyenet's blog) I no longer believed animal products were bad for your health, but I still thought they were bad for the environment, bad for the animals, bad for the economy, just bad news bears.

But slowly I read things on websites like Let Them Eat Meat and Hunt Gather Love about the dichotomy between factory farms and pasture raised animal farms and realized the differences were night and day. Still, I was uncomfortable eating meat. I just couldn't bring myself to do it. That is, until I found a blog called hunter-gatherer which contained a post called "What if 3 million vegans bought grass-fed beef? How to build an alternative to factory farming". It contained this quote:

"What if vegetarians stopped drinking self-righteous tea, rolled up their yoga mats, and started to help build an alternative to the factory farm system? Not by lobbying. Not by working on farms. But by buying and eating animal products from farms that feed and raise their animals right"

Harsh? Maybe, but it was the kick that made me search out and start buying local, grass fed meat, something that greatly improved my health.

3
Medium avatar

(3213)

on August 21, 2012
at 05:00 PM

From what we've learned from science, humans have lived for 2.4 million years, but we drastically changed our diet 10,000 years ago, that's when all the sh*t broke loose

43f469552cfd3be73fc88a9821b14986

on August 21, 2012
at 05:34 PM

And especially in the past 100 years. http://evolutionarypsychiatry.blogspot.com/2011/08/neuroregulation-of-appetite.html

2
77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on August 22, 2012
at 04:16 AM

  1. Jared Diamond.

  2. Gary Taubes.

  3. Tim Ferriss.

2
D7cc4049bef85d1979efbd853dc07c8e

(4029)

on August 21, 2012
at 06:53 PM

Gary taubes essay in the NYTimes, "Is Sugar Toxic" started it all for me. From there I researched who this well spoken author was, leading me to his GCBC.

I was convinced processed sugar was really bad right there, before I was a huge skeptic of all health food claims, but that sugar essay was convincing. I followed it up with Lustig's famous sugar YouTube video.

I ended up joining twitter just to follow what Taubes posted and twitter started suggesting all these other Paleo personalities like Chris Kresser, Robb wolf, mark sisson and many others. Chris was prolific, regularly posting links to his archives. One of Chris's links was to an article of his explaining natural fixes to GERD, it explained why I saw my GERD vanish after following Taubes' approach rather believably. I dug in to much more of what Chris wrote because of that and have tailored more of my diet around things Chris has wrote about, such as adding kefir to my diet, and supplementing along his recommendations.

5f3e1f803d7a9b8704bb11cda26bcf9a

(658)

on August 21, 2012
at 11:11 PM

Yeah, I found Chris about the time I started working on healing my gut and his information supported what everyone else was saying about leaky gut, micro flora and it's realtionship to our health both mental and physical (and explained it better). I like how he says, when asked a question, "It depends" because he knows that we all are dealing with different health issues and there is not a one size fits all.

2
5f3e1f803d7a9b8704bb11cda26bcf9a

on August 21, 2012
at 06:02 PM

I started with Atkins about three years ago and had little effect on my weight-but i felt better. I moved on to listening to Jimmy Moore and then heard Robb Wolf and was intrigued with the Paleo concept and so started to eliminate toxic foods--I felt even better but it still had no effect on my weight. Since it made so much sense, I kept with it and have been able to be almost 100% paleo. I read posts from the Weston Price Foundation because I had had multiple surgeries and multiple bouts with diverticulitis and knew that I needed to heal my gut and so began to make bone broths, sauerkraut and other ferments and take probiotics. I began to get confused with the "safe starches" ideas that kept coming up and used it as an excuse to eat sweet potatoes and rice during that time. Then I heard Jenny Rule on Jimmy Moore and at the same time, I had a friend diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes. Moore advocates testing your glucose to see how foods effect you so I began to do that. I found out that I am diabetic and began to work towards getting my BG under control. I discovered that, for me, starches are not safe and never will be. I have now lost 20 lbs and am still losing. My energy level is vastly improved and I am able to exercise with walking, weights and biking. It is a journey that is unique to each person. We all need to realize that and support the person and their journey to health. Keep learning and keep trying!

2
F9638b939a6f85d67f60065677193cad

(4266)

on August 21, 2012
at 05:49 PM

My appetite was uncontrollable after hiking the Pacific Crest. Exercise could not keep the weight off and only made me hungrier than ever. NOT exercising made my appetite controllable but fatter than ever. When I read on http://dietdoctor.com/lchf that a low carb high fat diet would calm my appetite, that was the thing I needed to hear. It worked.

Then I heard about safe starches and carb refeeds. Nothing but weight loss stalls ever since then, plus increasingly uncontrollable appetite, a dependence on frequent eating and less ability to fast, no improvements in physical performance. I'm transitioning back to lchf since that worked for me in the past, it's probably better for my health, my mental health, my quality of life and my physical performance, too. I credit an individual poster's success story over at MDA even though our paths are slightly different.

A3c56c85290f748410a6f340ddd552b3

(321)

on December 07, 2012
at 03:29 AM

Wow. I admit that I've thought the PCT would be awesome to accomplish and also that I'd HAVE to get fitter/leaner while doing it. Silly EDNOS talking, there.

2
7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

on August 21, 2012
at 05:44 PM

I base it on how it makes me feel, not what science says

2
B3173217a49b5b0116078775a17eb21d

(11488)

on August 21, 2012
at 04:59 PM

  1. Catching the diabetes taught me about low-carbing (firstly the interweb, and then Bernstein).
  2. Gary Taubes showed me that I probably wasn't going to kill myself by eating fat instead of carbs.
  3. I wondered by how much I could reduce my carbs and found Volek and Phinney, who taught me about ketosis
  4. Through Jimmy Moore I found Sissons (because of his ketosis podcast)
  5. Sissons led me to Paleo, and to Wolf, Harris and Jaminet

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on August 21, 2012
at 06:15 PM

Your first comment reminded me of a Blacksploitation film from the 70s my hubby was watching last week. One of the characters mention "catching the sugar." I about died laughing.

1
7f8bc7ce5c34aae50408d31812c839b0

(2698)

on August 22, 2012
at 04:21 AM

Was VLC and lost about 30 lbs but felt like sludge. Read Perfect Health Diet and brought carbs up to about 90 gms starch. Weight stayed fine and energy was much better. I love PHD.

1
Cccb899526fb5908f64176e0a74ed2d9

(2801)

on August 21, 2012
at 04:34 PM

After reducing my weight substantially and white-knuckling a moderate carb diet for years, even going through a severe binge-eating phase at the beginning of 2012, I stumbled upon It's The Wooo's blog: http://itsthewooo.blogspot.com/.

Her anecdotal experience convinced me to try ketosis to cure my relentless appetite; lo and behold, I'm able to finally get on with my life. I'm no longer plagued by hunger.

Yes, for the record, I was totally "paleo" when eating carbs - nothing but safe starches. Eliminating even the "safe" starches eliminated my appetite.

Cccb899526fb5908f64176e0a74ed2d9

(2801)

on August 21, 2012
at 06:57 PM

She's off-kilter for sure, and not someone from whom to receive definitive medical or dietary guidance. But it prompted me to try something different and it worked.

Cccb899526fb5908f64176e0a74ed2d9

(2801)

on August 21, 2012
at 05:58 PM

Eh, I'm not particularly strict about protein moderation actually. I probably eat 130-170g a day, never going above 190g or below 110g.

43f469552cfd3be73fc88a9821b14986

on August 21, 2012
at 04:46 PM

So you moderated protein in addition to lowering carbs?

2a00b9a42e4cb6e489a0e69d20714576

(3043)

on August 21, 2012
at 06:36 PM

I was looking at that blog. Seems like she is entirely focused on being able to reach a state of not eating at all.

Cccb899526fb5908f64176e0a74ed2d9

(2801)

on August 21, 2012
at 05:59 PM

I haven't seen a day above 60g of carbs in months.

A7925ab8ea44e6d4d5d7c6f202632c6c

(404)

on August 22, 2012
at 06:39 AM

@Chelsea that'a the point: there is no "healthy" food, any food contributes to killing us in one way or another: there are anecdotal stories about yoga-masters capable of not eating anything for years and decades...

0
F54a16e4caf4dc8da9ef1369f46a95cd

(591)

on December 07, 2012
at 03:25 AM

My brother came across Dave Asprey's Bulletproof blog and started drinking the BP coffee. It seemed like an interesting concept to me, but my brother was not able to explain it to me in any coherent fashion, so I looked up the blog myself. Thanksgiving day I read basically the whole thing. It led me to realize my blood sugar issues are caused by the way I eat, that it wasn't an underlying issue I was keeping under control by eating "healthy" things at frequent intervals. This led me to tons of paleo blogs and recipes. I'm still a newbie and have a lot to learn, but I'm positive I've stumbled upon something real which I will stick with for all the right reasons.

This isn't exactly what you asked, but I remember a while back reading that a lot of products are using some sugar derived from apples in place of HFCS so they can put HFCS-free on the label, and that our bodies would consider it the exact same thing. I dismissed it because I figured sugar from apples has to be at least slightly healthier than the highly processed sugar from corn, which I already knew had no nutritional value. I've always known that real sugar is better than artificial sugar, and though I rarely-to-never ate white sugar (on purpose), I would never in a million years have thought fruit could in any way be bad for you, no matter how much sugar it contained, because it was natural. Just the other day I read that our bodies react to HFCS exactly the same way as white sugar and ultimately sugar from fruit and it finally sunk in. I guess I had to hear it a few different times.

0
6473dcb4b0e9b839615d650c168d2747

(638)

on August 22, 2012
at 08:52 AM

I ate "well" my whole life (whole grains, porridge, low fat, ate red meat rarely) but was lethargic, slowly gaining weight, got colds all the time, had peeling nails etc which just didn't seem to 'fit' with my lifestyle. 8 months ago talked to my brother about it (he had been paleo for a year) and he gave me Robb Wolf's book. Read it, decided to go Paleo as a new years resolution and here we are! Only resolution I've ever kept :)

0
C250cd5da05ca54ad3133630ff614573

(175)

on August 22, 2012
at 05:43 AM

I believed as most people that sugar was bad. I had first hand experience because I felt bad after eating it. After reading Ray Peat's claim that sugar is good in a PUFA-free context, I decided to try it. Now I can eat what most people would consider obscene amounts of sugar without feeling bad. So I'm now open to hearing his idea that sugar could actually be beneficial.

Another thing I came to believe is that grains are bad, just by paying attention to how I felt after I cut them out. Quality and quantity of visits to the bathroom increased. I also noticed that the taste degraded significantly as I became used to not eating them.

0b7c3e7fd96005f0b2dfd781e512fc2e

(1237)

on December 06, 2012
at 10:38 AM

What are some examples of sugar in a PUFA-free context? What foods?

0
76211ec5301087de2588cfe3d6bccba9

(1178)

on August 22, 2012
at 05:23 AM

Taubes' GCBC started the snowball rolling for me. then a friend told me about bulletproof coffee and since i love coffee, i looked into it and found Paleo. thank goodness for my coffee obsession (which i am now converting to decaf)

0
0b4326a4949718451a8571b82558dc10

on August 21, 2012
at 08:44 PM

ran across some anti-whole grain stuff while playing around on google...I didn't want to believe it. I used to eat so much oatmeal and cereal.

0
A97b68379a576dfa764a4828304d2efb

(4181)

on August 21, 2012
at 08:05 PM

Expanding my idea of health beyond weight and fitness level. Once I really internalized the fact that diet can impact skin, sleep, autoimmune disorders, cancer, etc I think I really shifted into critical thinking mode and was much more receptive to the arguments made in the paleo world.

Eating whole grains and exercising like crazy might enable you to be at a healthy weight and be visibly fit, but it won't protect against much else.

I developed an autoimmune disorder while eating the "healthiest" I ever have - all whole grains, practically vegetarian, and running about 15 miles a week. I've gotten control over said autoimmune disorder eating marbled meat, fresh vegetables, and walking as my predominant form of exercise.

-1
E37c4c7357396c1e50e0325327a3b5ad

on December 06, 2012
at 06:25 AM

I believe doing regular yoga is really beneficial for a good health. That's what i have been doing over the past few months and i must say it has really worked wonders for me and i even follow a diet for good health

3bc294cb7745a5e99612ff886ca00101

(1186)

on December 07, 2012
at 01:38 PM

low-fat whole grain diet for 'good health'? the link is broken, which is probably a good thing.

-3
0e4cbc2505598b587822528ac3081d98

on August 21, 2012
at 07:35 PM

PUBMED The real research completely contradicts Mark Sisson Chris Kresser and all of those other QUACKS.

EAT WHOLE GRAINS FEEL AWESOME.

Answer Question


Get FREE instant access to our
Paleo For Beginners Guide & 15 FREE Recipes!