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Wow...carbs in the news

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created January 27, 2011 at 3:21 PM

Comments please:

http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/health/8-reasons-carbs-help-you-lose-weight-2442968/

76f3ead3aa977d876bcf3331d35a36e9

(4620)

on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

Ugh. That's all I have to say for now.

34d0dfe6cb1a477bd2b5f984c2af29a9

(493)

on January 28, 2011
at 04:01 AM

Not really. You can't possibly wade through everything. There have to be gatekeepers.

4e40d2b9e1a762949a25b958762aa10d

(762)

on January 28, 2011
at 12:22 AM

@Brad: Speaking as an 'insider'- do you know what one has to do to get a biomedical PhD? Suck-up & validate your supervisor's bias which furthers the bias of the funding agencies whose budgets are set by the ultimate scientists- politicans. Oh, wait.

4e40d2b9e1a762949a25b958762aa10d

(762)

on January 28, 2011
at 12:21 AM

@Eva: Do you have sources? I'm not challenging, more asking for edification.

95eda9fa0cec952b482e869c34a566b6

on January 28, 2011
at 12:18 AM

Really, Yahoo Idiot News? Then why am I much lighter on a diet high in fats and protein, with 100 or less grams of carbs per day? Pure fluff for the sheep.

D67e7b481854b02110d5a5b21d6789b1

(4111)

on January 27, 2011
at 09:30 PM

I could not believe that was in print either! I'm guessing they left out what type of carbs althought that would not make much difference...

1a8020e101199de55c1b3b726f342321

(1973)

on January 27, 2011
at 09:10 PM

Oh come on, there's no way every paper had LC winning =P

34a367e60db77270bd7096dc04270fdc

(4171)

on January 27, 2011
at 08:19 PM

And did you go through the comments section after the article? People are sheep, especially when the reporting is what they want to hear! "Awesome I can keep eating my rice, pasta, bread & cereal!"

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on January 27, 2011
at 05:46 PM

The sad part is so many people just don't understand that!

50637dfd7dc7a7e811d82283f4f5fd10

(5838)

on January 27, 2011
at 04:57 PM

The famous words of KGH. Amen, brotha.

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A89f9751a97c3082802dc0bcbe4e9208

(13978)

on January 27, 2011
at 04:51 PM

I don't get my health information from un-cited fluff "articles" on Yahoo News. They are creating content for ad revenue; they are not sharing peer-reviewed relevant research.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on January 27, 2011
at 05:46 PM

The sad part is so many people just don't understand that!

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531db50c958cf4d5605ee0c5ae8a57be

on January 27, 2011
at 05:09 PM

Replace "carb" with "fat" and you have a decent article.

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34a367e60db77270bd7096dc04270fdc

(4171)

on January 27, 2011
at 03:53 PM

Wow - That is the same thing they've been pushing for at least the last decade. Who does these studies? Maybe I'm some kind of freak of nature but I cannot seem to lose weight with a lot of carbs in my diet. Partly because it's bs that it fills you up, it may when you're eating them but it's not lasting. I also crave carbs like crazy if I am eating a lot of carbs so that makes it even harder to not binge or cheat. Grains, beans, and legumes also make me feel sluggish and bloated!

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4e40d2b9e1a762949a25b958762aa10d

(762)

on January 27, 2011
at 03:46 PM

Hi Brad,

I think this is a good opportunity to showcase why science is a group effort. Because people are sometimes blind to flaws in their research, researchers should listen to criticism so they they can 'rule-out' alternative explanations for their observations.

The article's first point- Eating carbs makes you thin for life- conflates correlation and causation. To prove one thing causes another, putting aside the more complex but realistic cause of something having many causes, you must show correlation (the two things 'go together') but also necessity (one thing doesn't happen without the other) and sufficiency (adding the one thing you think causes the other to the system AND CHANGING NOTHING ELSE causes the other thing to happen). They didn't, for example, switch diets and show that people's weights or metabolic markers changed. Even if they accidentally stumbled across a causality they don't prove that 'carbs made these people thing'. Maybe because they were thin (had robust metabolisms) they could afford to be sloppy in their diet.

The article's second point- Carbs fill you up - is not an inherently flawed point except that they overgeneralize from one population after one meal to an entire diet strategy. It is general practice in research to disclose descriptions of the population & methodology not the least because being forced to justify your points makes you think about their substance more.

I will Edit to address the other points (More to come throughout the day and an edit at the end for cohesion...)

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E7be2ce38158357f5dacae07b43d1b29

on January 27, 2011
at 05:14 PM

As a practitioner of science, it makes me sick that they called this "evidence based" when all of the studies are based on human's subjective responses. A 10% reduction in hunger, as reported by humans, is small enough IMO to be negligible or a sample bias.

Anecdotally, I can say that carbs often make me feel lousy. Maybe some people do well on this kind of diet, but I'm not one of them.

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on January 27, 2011
at 11:05 PM

It is far more profitable to tell people what they want to hear instead of what they should know.

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B3c62d89cd47b7d7209b6a99243d0ded

on January 27, 2011
at 09:00 PM

This is research by the carb-biased (or carb-funded) scientist, interpreted by non-scientists to fit their desired views without analysis or understanding, (is then) read by people who want to know that what they are already doing will suddenly become good for them.

What a deadly chain of bias and pre-conceived notions!!!

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Aebee51dc2b93b209980a89fa4a70c1e

(1982)

on January 27, 2011
at 05:23 PM

Thanks for the responses. I am just baffled that this kind of info keeps getting out there. I mean, the people conducting these studies must have some kind of solid grounding in science, and likewise whatever university they work for. But it kinda makes me angry...my initial weight gain happened in the 90s (with ups and downs since...paleo is intended to be my once-and-for-all down, a way of life), when, if you were there, every "expert" recommended eating LOTS of bagels, pasta, rice, etc, in order to be healthy and fit. I followed that advice then, and paid the price for many years.

34a367e60db77270bd7096dc04270fdc

(4171)

on January 27, 2011
at 08:19 PM

And did you go through the comments section after the article? People are sheep, especially when the reporting is what they want to hear! "Awesome I can keep eating my rice, pasta, bread & cereal!"

4e40d2b9e1a762949a25b958762aa10d

(762)

on January 28, 2011
at 12:22 AM

@Brad: Speaking as an 'insider'- do you know what one has to do to get a biomedical PhD? Suck-up & validate your supervisor's bias which furthers the bias of the funding agencies whose budgets are set by the ultimate scientists- politicans. Oh, wait.

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62ed65f3596aa2f62fa1d58a0c09f8c3

(20807)

on January 27, 2011
at 04:55 PM

Low carb diets have won out every time they were scientifically run head to head with higher carb diets in controlled studies. The best research suggests low carb is the best way to lose weight. The author is probably just a carb addict and so is ignoring basic research.

1a8020e101199de55c1b3b726f342321

(1973)

on January 27, 2011
at 09:10 PM

Oh come on, there's no way every paper had LC winning =P

4e40d2b9e1a762949a25b958762aa10d

(762)

on January 28, 2011
at 12:21 AM

@Eva: Do you have sources? I'm not challenging, more asking for edification.

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Efc949694a31043bfce9ec86e8235cd7

on January 27, 2011
at 04:46 PM

MANTRA:

Tolerated != Optimal

50637dfd7dc7a7e811d82283f4f5fd10

(5838)

on January 27, 2011
at 04:57 PM

The famous words of KGH. Amen, brotha.

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Ac9425a387b78cb37a01972fe848bddb

(655)

on January 27, 2011
at 04:35 PM

It's sad that people just accept what is thrown at them and do not look deeper into the subject...

34d0dfe6cb1a477bd2b5f984c2af29a9

(493)

on January 28, 2011
at 04:01 AM

Not really. You can't possibly wade through everything. There have to be gatekeepers.

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3e6c0ab969e49e2f341d6a55ac771cc4

(420)

on January 27, 2011
at 06:29 PM

"A recent multi-center study found that the slimmest people also ate the most carbs, and the chubbiest ate the least."

What!??!

95eda9fa0cec952b482e869c34a566b6

on January 28, 2011
at 12:18 AM

Really, Yahoo Idiot News? Then why am I much lighter on a diet high in fats and protein, with 100 or less grams of carbs per day? Pure fluff for the sheep.

D67e7b481854b02110d5a5b21d6789b1

(4111)

on January 27, 2011
at 09:30 PM

I could not believe that was in print either! I'm guessing they left out what type of carbs althought that would not make much difference...

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