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Which foods to eat to reach 300g sugar/day? (otherwise, I experience painful Ketosis) HELP!

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created August 24, 2010 at 2:59 AM

I am losing TOO MUCH WEIGHT (lost 10-15lbs already, but I actually needed to gain 20-25lbs), I have had the longest ketosis ever in my Paleo dieting history. It lasted for about 3 weeks. My urine was shiny/oily, I was getting this really bad ketosis odor in my mouth and my right flank was always in pain.

I am struggling where to get my carbs so that I could maintain a 300g a day of sugar macros.

In the past couple of days I have been drinking water with dissolved brown sugar (36 grams per quarter cup), 3-4 servings a day. Is that bad?

Some veggies and bananas and other fruits here and there, but I can't eat them every day. I plan to buy Cellulose as well for my insoluble fiber source (regardless of what you read from MDA; I have leaky gut, pubmed study available upon request).

I have recently re-introduced rice and potatoes as they are the only polysaccharides I seem to be OK with. I am still waiting if I would react badly on these two complex carbs.

Besides eating the very low carb spaghetti squash,

1. how else can I reach 300 grams a day to avoid ketosis?

2. Which Simple Sugars are SAFE APART from fruits and vegetables?

3. How much simple sugars out of those 300g can I consume in a day?

4. Is Refined Sugar really bad (as opposed to which other simple sugar?!), provided you consume it within 300g and take enzyme supplements?! Thank you for all your time and input. :'(

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on August 24, 2010
at 04:52 AM

Perhaps paleo hacks should have a policy that people with acute health problems should see a doctor and refrain from posting. The metafilter policy is pretty good: http://ask.metafilter.com/101106/Seek-Immediate-Medical-Attention#1468701

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on August 24, 2010
at 04:47 AM

See a doctor and report back. Something is very very wrong with anyone who needs that much to stay out of ketosis. Nevermind the fact you shouldn't be experiencing ketosis. Sorry, but people who do dangerous shit give the paleo diet a VERY bad name.

79af832bf03130279f75cef8dfc10cbe

(85)

on August 24, 2010
at 04:45 AM

Hi, Melissa, I really do not appreciate your condescending remarks. I understand that you are a moderator here, but I am a board certified Pharm Tech as well. I was simply asking for carb ideas to reach 300g/day for my carb needs. When you claim that nobody needs 300g to stay out of ketosis is probably as dangerous if not more dangerous than simply scanning or perusing PubMed. I simply felt a little bit insulted is all. But I understand, and I hope you do understand how I felt too.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on August 24, 2010
at 04:30 AM

Stop the supplements and see what happens.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on August 24, 2010
at 04:28 AM

See a doctor. It doesn't seem like you have a very good grasp of the science. Pubmed can be a dangerous place. NO ONE needs 300 grams carbs to stay out of ketosis.

79af832bf03130279f75cef8dfc10cbe

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on August 24, 2010
at 04:04 AM

My previous renal profile (serum creatinine, egfr, electrolytes, etc) was normal. The oily urine happens when I also take Carnitine Tartrate. It is not as alarming or uncommon as you may think it is. It is after all a ketotic state.

79af832bf03130279f75cef8dfc10cbe

(85)

on August 24, 2010
at 04:02 AM

Yes it's intestinal hyperpermeability and adding insoluble fiber may restore the tight junctions to normal state.

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9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on August 24, 2010
at 03:09 AM

This is another to add to the "See A Doctor" tag. I'm honestly tempted to close this one or tag it WTF. Let me repeat: Eating the Paleo diet should not involve INCREASING pathological symptoms. If this happens STOP what you are doing and see a doctor. The oily urine is particularly scary. I've never heard of anyone having that, could indicate serious gallbladder issues. Painful ketosis is NOT normal. Some people feel kind of fatigued at first, but that's different from pain.

Where did you get 300 grams of carbs anyway? Unless you weigh quite a lot, that amount of carbs is probably inappropriate.

I repeat: see a doctor(maybe more than one since they are so stupid, but at least you can get some basic tests to rule out electrolyte problems, blood sugar issues, etc.) and perhaps buy some paleo books like The Primal Blueprint or The Paleo Diet.

BTW there is a scientific test for this "leaky gut", which is scientifically called increased gut permeability. Try to find a doctor that will do it so you can be sure you have it.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on August 24, 2010
at 04:47 AM

See a doctor and report back. Something is very very wrong with anyone who needs that much to stay out of ketosis. Nevermind the fact you shouldn't be experiencing ketosis. Sorry, but people who do dangerous shit give the paleo diet a VERY bad name.

79af832bf03130279f75cef8dfc10cbe

(85)

on August 24, 2010
at 04:45 AM

Hi, Melissa, I really do not appreciate your condescending remarks. I understand that you are a moderator here, but I am a board certified Pharm Tech as well. I was simply asking for carb ideas to reach 300g/day for my carb needs. When you claim that nobody needs 300g to stay out of ketosis is probably as dangerous if not more dangerous than simply scanning or perusing PubMed. I simply felt a little bit insulted is all. But I understand, and I hope you do understand how I felt too.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on August 24, 2010
at 04:28 AM

See a doctor. It doesn't seem like you have a very good grasp of the science. Pubmed can be a dangerous place. NO ONE needs 300 grams carbs to stay out of ketosis.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on August 24, 2010
at 04:30 AM

Stop the supplements and see what happens.

79af832bf03130279f75cef8dfc10cbe

(85)

on August 24, 2010
at 04:02 AM

Yes it's intestinal hyperpermeability and adding insoluble fiber may restore the tight junctions to normal state.

79af832bf03130279f75cef8dfc10cbe

(85)

on August 24, 2010
at 04:04 AM

My previous renal profile (serum creatinine, egfr, electrolytes, etc) was normal. The oily urine happens when I also take Carnitine Tartrate. It is not as alarming or uncommon as you may think it is. It is after all a ketotic state.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on August 24, 2010
at 04:52 AM

Perhaps paleo hacks should have a policy that people with acute health problems should see a doctor and refrain from posting. The metafilter policy is pretty good: http://ask.metafilter.com/101106/Seek-Immediate-Medical-Attention#1468701

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on August 24, 2010
at 04:01 AM

Gahhh, what are you thinking? Go see a doctor right away!!

(BTW, I don't think 300 g carbs are necessary to prevent ketosis. But that is completely unimportant at the moment.)

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