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What the FRICK carbs am I supposed to eat then?

Asked on November 29, 2015
Created April 30, 2013 at 9:54 AM

Finally decided to start eating lots of sweet potatoes but oh no can't eat them cos they're full of oxolates, white potatoes are nightshades, fruit is full of fructose, grains are obviously out

I don't buy into this low carb rubbish so what the hell am I supposed to be eating? I've been "paleo" for about a year at least and I still have NO idea what the hell I'm supposed to be eating.

I literally can't take it anymore

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on April 30, 2013
at 11:18 PM

youre ovrthinking things .. why are you afraid of oxalates so much..? and of fructose from fruits..have you had reactions from eating those things.? If not then everything in moderation ( apart from grains ) and you should be fine. Youre not looking to lose weigth ( this i know for sure.. lol ) Youve become too obsessed with all the negatives about foods. Eat what you enjoy most. keep it organic when you can and in its whole form-and your home free.

8d454fc50d6d58643d6f8b0d1e7ea8ea

(2830)

on April 30, 2013
at 04:42 PM

No! Not low-fat dairy!! http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/05/21/why-you-need-to-avoid-low-fat-milk-and-cheese.aspx

3327924660b1e2f8f8fc4ca27fedf2b2

(2919)

on April 30, 2013
at 04:31 PM

Why not just ferment your sweet and white potatoes if you're worried about those issues?

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(10601)

on April 30, 2013
at 04:22 PM

You need hooks to sell your books. Lately it takes really tricky ones, like ice baths. The old stuff you can get for free.

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(10601)

on April 30, 2013
at 04:11 PM

What do you seek grasshoppa? Paleo is not the road to Nirvana. Take what you need and don't worry about possible hypocrisy.

582e89904fef55ad5c7dac673653ef8c

(281)

on April 30, 2013
at 03:12 PM

It is unfortunate that you are having to babysit someone's speech, GM. Thanks for editing.

0775549e75987e08e0ca18585a757433

(168)

on April 30, 2013
at 01:47 PM

In 35 days maybe you can try some low-fat yogurt =].

0775549e75987e08e0ca18585a757433

(168)

on April 30, 2013
at 01:44 PM

Not to mention its good for your gums, teeth, breath, waistline and calcium demands that can sometimes be lacking on a paleo diet.

0775549e75987e08e0ca18585a757433

(168)

on April 30, 2013
at 01:43 PM

I say low fat because if you eat too much full fat yogurt it may upset your stomach.

0775549e75987e08e0ca18585a757433

(168)

on April 30, 2013
at 01:43 PM

Low fat yogurt or goat milk is a pretty good carb source for many people.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on April 30, 2013
at 01:41 PM

Again, I've removed the offensive bits, and left the interesting content.

D28e6caa2fd57b46d714a1563cbda77f

(18)

on April 30, 2013
at 01:37 PM

Why the FUCK are you editing my post you Nazi pig?

2e6e673ce3eb647407d260d4d57a731b

(1021)

on April 30, 2013
at 10:07 AM

unfortunately depressed nerds finding fulfillment in intellectual masturbation have ruined paleo and the concept of healthy eating for a lot of people

2e6e673ce3eb647407d260d4d57a731b

(1021)

on April 30, 2013
at 10:06 AM

unfortunately depressed nerds finding fulfillment in intellectual masturbation have ruined paleo, and the concept of healthy eating for a lot of people.

2e6e673ce3eb647407d260d4d57a731b

(1021)

on April 30, 2013
at 10:03 AM

a bunch of depressed nerds engaging in intellectual masturbation has ruined paleo, and the concept of healthy eating for a lot of people. sorry man :/

2e6e673ce3eb647407d260d4d57a731b

(1021)

on April 30, 2013
at 10:03 AM

a bunch of depressed nerds engaging in intellectual masturbation has ruined paleo, and the concept of healthy eating for a lot of people. sorry man :/

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Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

on April 30, 2013
at 10:23 AM

Who says YOU can't eat those foods (or anyone without specific problems for that matter) Perhaps stop trying to be 'paleo' and start being you...

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3fc95bca9e723edfbbb72b172798ab49

(1354)

on April 30, 2013
at 03:10 PM

I think you really have to take people with a grain of salt when they say that "YOU absolutely cannot have x". When they say "you" they really mean "I".

That is, I've noticed a trend of people pushing their physiologically necessary eating restrictions on others. A popular paleo-ist INSISTS that all dairy should be cut? Well, either they themselves are intolerant and are just heavily projecting or they are trying to do a nuclear response to negative dairy reactions (i.e. no one can have a dairy problem if you insist that EVERYONE cut dairy).

The same can be said of the varying carbs as well. I did the sweet potato thing for awhile just to see what all the health hub-bub was about. Oh I LOVED the taste. It aint called "sweet" for nothing. But I found that my body responds MUCH better to those giant, plain ol', russet potatoes that I buy at Costco for $4.50 for 20lbs. Oh, and I LOVE tomatoes. And bell peppers. And we grow sandia and big jim green chile and make annual runs to Hatch, New Mexico for green chile so just try to tear those from my hands. Clearly I'm poisoning myself with nightshades and may implode at any moment.

If you respond well to it, and if you like it, eat it. If you don't respond well then now you know something new about your body and you stop eating it.

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on April 30, 2013
at 04:22 PM

You need hooks to sell your books. Lately it takes really tricky ones, like ice baths. The old stuff you can get for free.

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on April 30, 2013
at 11:49 AM

I'm no expert, but perhaps varying your carb sources rather than relying on one specific source would allow you to escape the negative affects associated with any of them. Maybe eating three sweet potatoes a day can result in oxalate-related problems, but what if you have sweet potatoes, white potatoes, pumpkin, squashes, zucchini, brown rice, bananas, even properly prepared beans if they work for you, and that way you don't have a buildup of any one thing? Just my two cents.

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on April 30, 2013
at 02:21 PM

I think you need to reexamine your reasons for being paleo. Is it to feel healthier or to follow a strict dogma? Anything can be taken to an extreme. There's no need to cut out fruit, sweet potatoes (and regular potatoes either, really, unless you specifically have issues tolerating nightshades.) It's very easy to trend towards disordered eating (orthorexia) when we get too worried the nutrients in our food. Fruit is good for you. Yams are good for you. Eat them. If a food makes you feel bad, then stop eating it, but there's no need to cut out everything just because somebody else said to.

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Medium avatar

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on April 30, 2013
at 04:18 PM

By being highly active and eating meat my health is measurably better. That's Paleo enough to reap 99% of the benefits of ancestral living. I don't care about milking out the last 1% by dietary obsessions. The A1C, triglyceride, healthy weight, HDL and blood pressure benefits are already in the bank.

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89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

on May 01, 2013
at 03:12 AM

Youre not alone Bear. I think many of us find ourselves overthinking things at times when it comes to food and nutrition. We're under fire with a constant influx of new studies, warnings, and advisories. How can we not get caught up in it all and lose sight of the simplicity of just fueling our bodies and enjoying food.

This article had a funny take on it with this particularly amusing paragraph here-

http://180degreehealth.com/2013/02/what-is-the-healthiest-diet-and-lifestyle

"You???ll meet fellow seekers along the way. You???ll recognize them by their inability to eat anything without first scanning the ingredient label and consulting with 8 different gurus online. You???ll meet people who swear that a diet that saved one person???s life almost ended theirs. The most obvious sign that a person is on the path to dietary truth is signaled by their ping-ponging between absolute certainty and bewildered confusion."

lol :)

So in answer to your question. What are the foods you've been avoidig like the plague on your carb-a phobic kick ? Maybe its bananas.. maybe its rice.. maybe is potatoes. Try introducing these forbidden carbs and see how you feel. A diet with a balance of a little bit of everything in moderation is probably your best bet (apart from neolithic grains ). And remember to rotate and switch your foods up. Dont eat the same things week after week after week. ............. :) Most importantly -lay off the research for a while-and try to get in tune with your body. It will tell you what you need most.

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on April 30, 2013
at 11:01 PM

Beetroot Parnsip Carrots Chestnuts Swede Turnips Jerusalem Artichoke Butternut Squash Pumpkin Green bananas Tomatoes (if nightshades OK) Bell peppers (same)

all are carb-rich vegetables

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on April 30, 2013
at 05:09 PM

This is why variety is key. Just don't eat too much of any of it. What is the biggest reason why SAD fails? It's over-obsession with GRAIN GRAINS GRAINS and BEANS BEANS BEANS and SUGAR SUGAR SUGAR. Is it best to take those out of the diet except maybe, possibly, every very once in a while? Well, yeah. But let's face it, SAD wants us to gimp along on poor nutrient sources as our main source of calories when grains and beans should probably only be consumed on a very rare basis. Likewise, you don't need to eat three sweet potatoes a day, similar to how you don't need to eat 7 serviings of 'heart healthy whole grains' a day.

This'll probably get down voted, but oh well. The biggest issue, imo, is that our society is chronically malnourished because we insist on existing on cheap, calorie-dense-but-nutrient-poor filler. Gluten is bad, right? We should avoid it. But if it passes by your lips once in a year, what is the real harm done, beside maybe a few hours of intenstinal discomfort? Unless you're celiac, of course. But that's more extreme than most people.

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Bf2c10bef76d8b32d83eb7d089274590

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on April 30, 2013
at 02:05 PM

Do as the Asians do - eat plenty of white rice!

Less anti-nutrients (and nutrients) than brown rice, easy to digest and good for calories and carbs if you're looking for that.

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7bf306ada57db47547e9da39a415edf6

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on May 01, 2013
at 03:29 PM

Fruits and tubers are definitely on the paleo list. You have to pay attention to what people's goals are when they make pronouncements on different foods. Do they line up with whatever you are trying to do? These are people trying to optimize in some way, whether it is losing weight, gaining muscle, or trying to heal some illness. They may be starting from a paleo template, but the advice they give shall deviate from paleo.

Can you imagine someone living in the paleolithic actually turning to another person and asking, "wait, is this Paleo?" They would think we are freaking insane. If they saw food, they ate it. It was too easy to die of starvation to do otherwise. Now, obviously the food they saw was in the wild, so we can say they'd recognize sweet potatoes as food, but not donuts.

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F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on April 30, 2013
at 10:42 AM

I have the same problem - I can't eat pumpkins or carrots - I am already orange. I cannot eat too many oxalates. I cannot have cabbage because of my gut disbiosis. When you figure something out, let me know.

0775549e75987e08e0ca18585a757433

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on April 30, 2013
at 01:47 PM

In 35 days maybe you can try some low-fat yogurt =].

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on May 01, 2013
at 12:16 AM

Michael,

The fact that they are indicating oxolates being the issue we need to understand their situation. Oxolates are compounds in food that we consume that promote the formation of kidney stones. Sweet potatoes are a source of this which could lead to serious pain down the road. Instead of criticizing about not being paleo or themselves try to see why there are saying it. Ask questions.

B

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on May 01, 2013
at 12:05 AM

HuntingBears, you are very much like me. We stress out too damm much about our damm diet and in the end it is making us unhealthier. I too believe we should be eating higher carb instead of fat, but if you look at only safe starch sources you end up being pretty limited. I usually need lots of carbs to keep up with my activity, and sadly resort to just eating pound after pound of sweet potato, and sooner or later I end up with oxalate related issues. Potatoes, are nightshades but they are also loaded with oxalates, taro also has a lot of oxalates, as does yucca and green plantains. What are you left with bananas and white rice? Been there done that. Bananas give me digestive issues and white rice just doesn't make me feel right, especially when you are trying to get 400 grams worth of carbs from it.

So what do you do? Eat a high fat diet? I could eat all the mutton tallow in the world and it won't give me the energy I need to perform in my activities. See where I am going with this. All food is dangerous you just have to learn to accept it and eat.

Plus, maybe oxalates might not be all that bad. Do cultures who consume lots of oxalate rich foods have oxalate issues? If I am not mistaken calcium absorbs oxalate in your gut and takes it out. Most oxalate rich foods are also rich in calcium, which maybe balances out the oxalate?

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on April 30, 2013
at 11:28 PM

I agree with those recommending variety including some options outside the strict paleo box. I eat some glutenfree sourdough buckwheat/teff mix many days since I do notice that eating nightshades too often worsens my AI issues. I limit my white potatoes to a few times a month, smaller amounts of cooked tomatoes are ok for me, some peppers and eggplant. I just don't eat the worst offenders every single day. I'm a little confused as to your dilemma, do YOU react poorly to these foods? Do you react poorly to plain old white rice? I do, so I include soaked and soured grain (WAPF-style) instead since I personally do well with it. I'd probably be ok with soaked rice but I choose buckwheat since it's a fave of mine.

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709babaa39d3f03ac6fe854b8123f6ff

on April 30, 2013
at 01:57 PM

I so know how you feel. I've been trying to keep a clean paleo diet but I come from an Asian family where rice is the main part of the meal and the base with which we add salted or spiced side dishes. Veggies are nice and all but I miss the texture and taste of grains and rice. Coconut flour and almond flour aren't really cutting it anymore.

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D28e6caa2fd57b46d714a1563cbda77f

on April 30, 2013
at 01:22 PM

You have to think for yourself.

The Glycemic Index of Bananas is 51 (ripe)The glycemic index of a sweet potatoes is approx. 40 if boiled, back it it goes up to 90.

D28e6caa2fd57b46d714a1563cbda77f

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on April 30, 2013
at 01:37 PM

Why the FUCK are you editing my post you Nazi pig?

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

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on April 30, 2013
at 01:41 PM

Again, I've removed the offensive bits, and left the interesting content.

582e89904fef55ad5c7dac673653ef8c

(281)

on April 30, 2013
at 03:12 PM

It is unfortunate that you are having to babysit someone's speech, GM. Thanks for editing.

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