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What's wrong with starches and carbs?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created September 14, 2012 at 3:49 AM

If you aren't trying to lose weight what's so bad about starchy foods and carbs? It seems to be a bad word in the paleosphere.

B6400137b7a50279de74a24a2e08ae7f

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on September 15, 2012
at 02:20 AM

One of the most popular treatments for crohn's is the SCD diet curetogether.com/crohns-disease/treatments/ae which is focused on removing all complex carbs "no food should be ingested that contains carbohydrates other than those found in fruits, honey, properly prepared yogurt, and those vegetables and nuts listed” - breakingtheviciouscycle.info/p/the-intro-diet

B6400137b7a50279de74a24a2e08ae7f

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on September 15, 2012
at 02:15 AM

with crohns and other diseases implicating leaky gut, starches and sugar can lead to fermentation and worsen gut dysbiosis. 4 major paleo spin-off diets for autoimmune illness (terry wahl's, robb wolf's, SCD, GAPS) all emphasize removing starches. SCD and GAPS go even further: remove all complex carbs aka non-monosaccharides

B6400137b7a50279de74a24a2e08ae7f

(225)

on September 15, 2012
at 02:15 AM

with crohns and other diseases implicating leaky gut, starches and sugar can lead to fermentation and worsen gut dysbiosis. 4 major paleo spin-off diets for autoimmune illness (terry wahl's, robb wolf's, SCD, GAPS) all emphasis removing starches. SCD and GAPS: remove all complex carbs aka non-monosaccharides.

B6400137b7a50279de74a24a2e08ae7f

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on September 15, 2012
at 02:08 AM

One of the most popular treatments for crohn's is the SCD diet http://curetogether.com/crohns-disease/treatments/ae/ which is focused on removing dissacharides: "no food should be ingested that contains carbohydrates other than those found in fruits, honey, properly prepared yogurt, and those vegetables and nuts listed” - http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/p/the-intro-diet/

592fdaa77ec6342b736f1d25962aab7f

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on September 14, 2012
at 05:23 PM

n=1, VLC was awesome when I was a newbie and needed to see big results, but absolutely not for me in the long run. I seemed to develop terrible anxiety which was cured almost instantly with adding healthy carbs and starches.

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on September 14, 2012
at 03:13 PM

MathGirl's right, Renee. Just speaking from my husband's experience...his IBS is greatly influenced by carb intake, particularly FODMAPs. And I'm not familiar with Crown's, but most autoimmune issues are tied in with insulin issues (at least in my understanding), so you should at least be careful with carbs and see how your symptoms are with regard to intake. And definitely stay away from gluten...

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

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on September 14, 2012
at 02:29 PM

As usual, Renee, n=1. If it works for you, great. For others, it doesn't.

E2213c8679231bafe6b274245b444eee

on September 14, 2012
at 12:35 PM

I have crown's which is an autoimmune disease. Why do you think carbs would be an issue?

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on September 14, 2012
at 12:15 PM

What's the problem with carbs for digestive issues? I find bananas, starchy tubers and white rice very helpful for my IBS.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on September 14, 2012
at 05:52 AM

Thanks - I forgot :)

B6400137b7a50279de74a24a2e08ae7f

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on September 14, 2012
at 04:38 AM

Someone else might be wondering: VLC=very low carbs (I'm guessing)

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51c66d8a6f3005628535a50a950b1c61

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on September 14, 2012
at 03:55 AM

If your weight is where you want it, you don't have any digestive issues, autoimmune probs, etc., and you're eating paleo-carbs (veggies, certain fruits, etc.), then there really isn't a problem.

Some people can tolerate a lot higher carb level than others. You kind of have to experiment with yourself...

B6400137b7a50279de74a24a2e08ae7f

(225)

on September 15, 2012
at 02:15 AM

with crohns and other diseases implicating leaky gut, starches and sugar can lead to fermentation and worsen gut dysbiosis. 4 major paleo spin-off diets for autoimmune illness (terry wahl's, robb wolf's, SCD, GAPS) all emphasize removing starches. SCD and GAPS go even further: remove all complex carbs aka non-monosaccharides

E2213c8679231bafe6b274245b444eee

on September 14, 2012
at 12:35 PM

I have crown's which is an autoimmune disease. Why do you think carbs would be an issue?

F92e4ca55291c3f3096a3d4d3d854986

(11698)

on September 14, 2012
at 12:15 PM

What's the problem with carbs for digestive issues? I find bananas, starchy tubers and white rice very helpful for my IBS.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on September 14, 2012
at 02:29 PM

As usual, Renee, n=1. If it works for you, great. For others, it doesn't.

51c66d8a6f3005628535a50a950b1c61

(1003)

on September 14, 2012
at 03:13 PM

MathGirl's right, Renee. Just speaking from my husband's experience...his IBS is greatly influenced by carb intake, particularly FODMAPs. And I'm not familiar with Crown's, but most autoimmune issues are tied in with insulin issues (at least in my understanding), so you should at least be careful with carbs and see how your symptoms are with regard to intake. And definitely stay away from gluten...

B6400137b7a50279de74a24a2e08ae7f

(225)

on September 15, 2012
at 02:15 AM

with crohns and other diseases implicating leaky gut, starches and sugar can lead to fermentation and worsen gut dysbiosis. 4 major paleo spin-off diets for autoimmune illness (terry wahl's, robb wolf's, SCD, GAPS) all emphasis removing starches. SCD and GAPS: remove all complex carbs aka non-monosaccharides.

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F6ce9302d62d8b4a1ef2fc813c294770

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on September 14, 2012
at 06:13 AM

There is nothing wrong with starches/carbs, it's just sooo easy to get too much of them. It's important to understand how much starches/carbs you are eating. They tend to displace real food (meat, fruits, & veggies). The standard American diet (SAD) is very high carbs/sugar:

For instance, if you eat cereal grains or a bagel for breakfast, a sandwich/wrap/burger + chips/french fries for lunch, sugary drinks (juice, fancy coffee drinks, soda, smoothies, etc.) throughout the day, and pasta or pizza for dinner, plus maybe some dessert in there...all you will have eaten by the end of the day is sugar/high glycemic foods!! Very little meat, veggies, or fruits (aka, REAL FOOD). Dairy also tends to have added sugar & processing. This is basically the standard American diet, which makes everyone fat...or if not fat, unhealthy (diabetes, heart disease, acne, fatigue, thyroid issues, etc.). And that's why carbs/starches have such a stigma for paleo people like me. I ate way too many of those things for most of my life (For instance I grew up on & still love cereal, bread, bagels, PB & J's, cookies, doughnuts, & pasta...but now I avoid them like the plague)--those foods gave me health problems (fatigue, rosacea, acne, poor muscle tone, etc.).

But there are wonderful paleo starchy vegetables...summer & winter squashes, beets, kohlrabi, rutabaga, parsnips, carrots, sweet potatoes...and those are great!! And fresh fruit is great too! (Just avoid fruit juices and too much dried fruit.) I eat those foods now instead, along with more meat (unprocessed & non-salty) & green/cruciferous veggies...and I look & feel fabulous!! :-D Avoid the SAD!

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B6400137b7a50279de74a24a2e08ae7f

on September 14, 2012
at 05:10 AM

I don't think it's a bad word. I think it's more about preventing the undesirables that can happen with too many carbs (insulin spikes, gut fermentation of sugars). The dose at which the insulin spike happens probably varies from person to person though, and if you don't have leaky gut the latter might not apply to you.

Another reason this confusion might be happening is associating "grains" with "carbs". Grains besides white rice have antinutrients in the bran/hull so the reason not to eat these has nothing to do with carbohydrates. Same with legumes and unprepared nuts besides macademias.

However, the flipside is: even if carbs aren't bad for you, are fats even better? Why do we eat carbs? Well, mainly for energy, and from that standpoint Fats has the highest amount of food energy per mass at 9 kcal/g, making it a more efficient source of energy than carbs. There is debate about whether we should rely on fat as our primary source of energy (read about ketosis) but much of this debate is due to a syntax confusion between ketosis and ketoacidosis, which is indeed a dangerous condition.

"Our brain can only function with glucose and ketones...Hence, our body???s ability to produce ketones is required for basic survival." http://eatingacademy.com/nutrition/is-ketosis-dangerous

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F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on September 14, 2012
at 04:31 AM

I totally agree with Megan. There is absolutely nothing wrong with eating berries, fruit, sweet potatoes and roots if and only if you have no problems with autoimmune, digestive, sugar cravings, weight, etc.

In fact, I would go even further. For example, the Perfect Health diet suggests that you add rice/taro/other starches. I personally disagree with rice, but I have nothing against sweet potatoes.

http://perfecthealthdiet.com/the-diet/

Here is a post by a person who has been on Paleo for 14 years just to quit afterwards. Now he eats more carbs and fish (and some red meat) because he developed different disorders. He warns against excessive red meat consumption:

http://donmatesz.blogspot.com/2011/06/farewell-to-paleo.html

Terry Wahls believes in limiting the amount of protein and eating tons of kale/green leafy/sulfur rich vegetables.

I also think that VLC is not sustainable and not beneficial in a long run for most people. But this is my personal view.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on September 14, 2012
at 05:52 AM

Thanks - I forgot :)

592fdaa77ec6342b736f1d25962aab7f

(547)

on September 14, 2012
at 05:23 PM

n=1, VLC was awesome when I was a newbie and needed to see big results, but absolutely not for me in the long run. I seemed to develop terrible anxiety which was cured almost instantly with adding healthy carbs and starches.

B6400137b7a50279de74a24a2e08ae7f

(225)

on September 14, 2012
at 04:38 AM

Someone else might be wondering: VLC=very low carbs (I'm guessing)

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E2213c8679231bafe6b274245b444eee

on September 14, 2012
at 12:36 PM

I have crohn's but not sure if carbs have an impact on that. I know too much sugar can be an issue but I feel better physically when I eat carbs.

B6400137b7a50279de74a24a2e08ae7f

(225)

on September 15, 2012
at 02:08 AM

One of the most popular treatments for crohn's is the SCD diet http://curetogether.com/crohns-disease/treatments/ae/ which is focused on removing dissacharides: "no food should be ingested that contains carbohydrates other than those found in fruits, honey, properly prepared yogurt, and those vegetables and nuts listed” - http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/p/the-intro-diet/

B6400137b7a50279de74a24a2e08ae7f

(225)

on September 15, 2012
at 02:20 AM

One of the most popular treatments for crohn's is the SCD diet curetogether.com/crohns-disease/treatments/ae which is focused on removing all complex carbs "no food should be ingested that contains carbohydrates other than those found in fruits, honey, properly prepared yogurt, and those vegetables and nuts listed” - breakingtheviciouscycle.info/p/the-intro-diet

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