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Very Calm the day after a PIZZA BINGE

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created January 16, 2013 at 1:21 PM

I'm a 21 year old male. I've been trying to go from 10% body fat to ~8% lately. I've been following this protocol:

-Intermittent fasting -2,000 Calories per day -Low carb: ~60 grams of carbs a day -High protein, moderate fat -Coffee in the morning -Lots of water intake -Low salt intake

Then, two days ago, I binged on two medium size pizzas, a bag of chips, and some granola bars, and went to sleep.

I woke up the next day feeling... Incredibly calm.

This was a wonderful feeling. I've been struggling with some low-level social anxiety and all of a sudden- POOF. It was gone. I was so calm it was like I was meditating throughout the whole day. Everything was so clear and I couldn't experience any stress or anxiety at all.

I'm fairly certain this has something to do with what I ate. Because nothing else about my lifestyle changed that day. I absolutely loved that feeling and want to replicate it, although hopefully with healthier foods. I have no idea what it could be that did it though.

I'm thinking maybe the low salt intake was stressing my adrenals. Or, some people have told me that carbs can have a calming effect. Maybe the junk foods had some excitotoxins in them and those shut off some of my brain activity, making me less reactive (and therefore more calm) Or maybe the 3,000+ calories I got from eating all that food made me more relaxed. Or maybe the extra load on my digestion took away from my mental focus, once again, relaxing (sedating) me. I don't know.

I'm going to experiment with all of these factors in isolation in the next few weeks. But I thought it'd be a good idea to ask here as well.

Thanks in advance folks!

5e22ee3adb04e430e2e45f3273f634e5

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on January 17, 2013
at 08:06 AM

Oh, this is pretty interesting.

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

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on January 17, 2013
at 03:36 AM

I would say restoration. Carbs are energy.

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on January 16, 2013
at 06:10 PM

Yeah...this is a different version of the story I wrote about in my answer. I don't think this was really a patient Kresser had -- I think it's a kind of parable across the medical/health world to remind us of an important lesson.

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

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on January 16, 2013
at 05:47 PM

No worries. You know your body best!

5e22ee3adb04e430e2e45f3273f634e5

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on January 16, 2013
at 05:47 PM

Yeah I mean it just happens like once every two months. The cause for the binge was probably either a lack of salt or calories. I was definitely undereating on both.

5e22ee3adb04e430e2e45f3273f634e5

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on January 16, 2013
at 05:45 PM

Useful responses, Thanks everyone!

5e22ee3adb04e430e2e45f3273f634e5

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on January 16, 2013
at 05:44 PM

Ah, so it's the carbs? When you go back to your regular diet, how much carbs do you eat? Maybe we're just eating too few? Or does this effect only happen when you OVEREAT on carbs? I basically just want to know this: Was this response one of SEDATION (from consuming unhealthy amounts of something), or one of RESTORATION (from consuming something that I was supposed to be consuming but wasn't) If it's sedation, then while it was a good "high", I can't keep that up day in and day out. That would be like saying being drunk makes you relaxed, so drink alcohol all the time.

7c8e227dd8d5bdd77febfdebaa78dc13

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on January 16, 2013
at 05:39 PM

i find it hard to afford fish too. TJ's sells wild Alaskan canned salmon (has skin, flesh, and editable bones in it) for about $3 for 14 oz. I eat it a few times a week to get at least some fish into my diet.

7dab2d8c97e44d8d0c298e5c9d5d75bc

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on January 16, 2013
at 05:37 PM

I felt best when I was crazy active and not really eating one day, then my day off I would eat a ton. I got the effect you described with all paleo food!

2e777bbcd49262eb31a24f821abec6bc

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on January 16, 2013
at 04:44 PM

I find ground beef to be the cheapest of the meats! I eat 1/3 pound a day of grass fed beef and it is very well priced.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on January 16, 2013
at 04:38 PM

So you binge on pizza and chips? Maybe a more adequate approach to your nutrition would prevent the binges...

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

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on January 16, 2013
at 04:07 PM

I totally understand about cost. Gotta stick with the budget! I'm also thinking the pizza gave you "all of those" elements at once. I would suggest adding iodized salt to your meals; with also supplementing potassium, you have most of the common mineral culprits taken care of.

5e22ee3adb04e430e2e45f3273f634e5

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on January 16, 2013
at 03:52 PM

Also, as I mentioned in some other post, I'm trying to lower my body fat % because I'm a model and having less fat and water retention on my body makes me look so much better.

5e22ee3adb04e430e2e45f3273f634e5

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on January 16, 2013
at 03:46 PM

I'm auditioning to be a model; I'm aiming to lower my body fat and water retention as much as I can so I can look leaner.

5e22ee3adb04e430e2e45f3273f634e5

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on January 16, 2013
at 03:46 PM

I'm auditioning to be a model; I'm aiming to lower my body fat and water retention as much as I can so I can look leaner. But m other goal is to

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

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on January 16, 2013
at 03:45 PM

Add salt!!! Your body relies on it and since you aren't getting it on a regular basis through nasty processed foods, you are going to be deficient.

5e22ee3adb04e430e2e45f3273f634e5

(30)

on January 16, 2013
at 03:45 PM

Thanks! I've already been supplementing with magnesium for like a year though. I also drink plenty of bone broth, and take the supplements on top of that, so don't think magnesium is a problem there.

5e22ee3adb04e430e2e45f3273f634e5

(30)

on January 16, 2013
at 03:44 PM

Also, I don't think any lack of minerals is the cause here; because again, what solved my problem (at least for a day) was PIZZA. Pizza isn't known for it's abundance of minerals. Nor does it have a lot of meat coming from grass eating animals. And yet, something in it relaxeed me. I'm still thinking it's either the massive amount of calories, carbs, salt, or all of these.

5e22ee3adb04e430e2e45f3273f634e5

(30)

on January 16, 2013
at 03:42 PM

I eat chicken mostly because I don't have money to pay for red meat and fish most of the time right now. I eat them when I can though.

5e22ee3adb04e430e2e45f3273f634e5

(30)

on January 16, 2013
at 03:41 PM

Thank you. I already considered the mental aspect of just having let go, but I really know how my mind works and this wasn't it. I could tell. There was some other thing going on that was affecting my brain chemistry directly. I don't know if I can convince you with this, but again I really know how my mind works and I could tell 100% it wasn't just the letting go.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

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on January 16, 2013
at 03:28 PM

2/2 - Whoa whoa whoa: chicken and steamed vegetables? There you go. Stick to animals that eat green things: beef, lamb, goat, and most fish. Have fowl whenever you'd like, but not for every meal, or even every day. Props for eating vegetables, but don't steam vegetables! Steaming them actually supports my guess that you are low in trace earth elements, which cause all sorts of bizarre, low key issues - the most obvious being "moodiness". Always cook liberally with good fats: coconut oil and reserved lard (not store bought) come to mind; save the delicious EVOO for non-cooked items like salads.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

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on January 16, 2013
at 03:24 PM

1/2 - It's true that there is no "glucose deficiency", since the body will produce glucose from protein - sometimes this is excess dietary protein, sometimes this is from your own body. That said, tubers may be handy: no/low fructose, some glucose, and resistant starch. Just make sure to cook them well with lots of fat.

5e22ee3adb04e430e2e45f3273f634e5

(30)

on January 16, 2013
at 02:54 PM

Could be the case. I was hoping I could replicate the effect though. I'd be really bummed out if that was the case. I mean I want to be calm, carefree and unreactive like that every day if I can, but I won't get fat or stuff myself into a slumber in order to do it :)

5e22ee3adb04e430e2e45f3273f634e5

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on January 16, 2013
at 02:52 PM

Greymouser, I eat plain chicken breasts, steamed broccoli & spinach, and add olive oil on top of it all. No salt, no condiments. I eat two meals like this; lunch and dinner. I also take some supplements: a multivitamin, calcium, potassium, zinc, D3, and B12. I don't have any signs of any deficiencies, but I do wonder if maybe I could be experiencing a form of "carbohydrate deficiency", which, I know doesn't exist, but if the carbs solved my anxiety, maybe we could say I was lacking carbs that my body needed.

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on January 16, 2013
at 02:42 PM

Why are you low salt and low carb? Does not seem to match your life style...

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Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on January 16, 2013
at 02:46 PM

The binging doesn't sound healthy at all, but the general idea "eat carbs, feel better" is pretty typical.

I'm often suspect of people thinking they are full in ketosis when they are not. If ketones production doesn't match the glucose being restricted (energy wise), your brain is going to be the very first thing to suffer.

For the second part "low salt intake" -- what exactly are you eating in an average day? If your guess about your own body is right, I would wager it's more than just salt -- I bet your low in sodium, potassium, lithium, and a slew of other trace elements.

5e22ee3adb04e430e2e45f3273f634e5

(30)

on January 16, 2013
at 05:45 PM

Useful responses, Thanks everyone!

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on January 16, 2013
at 03:28 PM

2/2 - Whoa whoa whoa: chicken and steamed vegetables? There you go. Stick to animals that eat green things: beef, lamb, goat, and most fish. Have fowl whenever you'd like, but not for every meal, or even every day. Props for eating vegetables, but don't steam vegetables! Steaming them actually supports my guess that you are low in trace earth elements, which cause all sorts of bizarre, low key issues - the most obvious being "moodiness". Always cook liberally with good fats: coconut oil and reserved lard (not store bought) come to mind; save the delicious EVOO for non-cooked items like salads.

5e22ee3adb04e430e2e45f3273f634e5

(30)

on January 16, 2013
at 03:44 PM

Also, I don't think any lack of minerals is the cause here; because again, what solved my problem (at least for a day) was PIZZA. Pizza isn't known for it's abundance of minerals. Nor does it have a lot of meat coming from grass eating animals. And yet, something in it relaxeed me. I'm still thinking it's either the massive amount of calories, carbs, salt, or all of these.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on January 16, 2013
at 04:07 PM

I totally understand about cost. Gotta stick with the budget! I'm also thinking the pizza gave you "all of those" elements at once. I would suggest adding iodized salt to your meals; with also supplementing potassium, you have most of the common mineral culprits taken care of.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on January 16, 2013
at 03:45 PM

Add salt!!! Your body relies on it and since you aren't getting it on a regular basis through nasty processed foods, you are going to be deficient.

7c8e227dd8d5bdd77febfdebaa78dc13

(185)

on January 16, 2013
at 05:39 PM

i find it hard to afford fish too. TJ's sells wild Alaskan canned salmon (has skin, flesh, and editable bones in it) for about $3 for 14 oz. I eat it a few times a week to get at least some fish into my diet.

5e22ee3adb04e430e2e45f3273f634e5

(30)

on January 16, 2013
at 02:52 PM

Greymouser, I eat plain chicken breasts, steamed broccoli & spinach, and add olive oil on top of it all. No salt, no condiments. I eat two meals like this; lunch and dinner. I also take some supplements: a multivitamin, calcium, potassium, zinc, D3, and B12. I don't have any signs of any deficiencies, but I do wonder if maybe I could be experiencing a form of "carbohydrate deficiency", which, I know doesn't exist, but if the carbs solved my anxiety, maybe we could say I was lacking carbs that my body needed.

2e777bbcd49262eb31a24f821abec6bc

(1974)

on January 16, 2013
at 04:44 PM

I find ground beef to be the cheapest of the meats! I eat 1/3 pound a day of grass fed beef and it is very well priced.

5e22ee3adb04e430e2e45f3273f634e5

(30)

on January 16, 2013
at 03:42 PM

I eat chicken mostly because I don't have money to pay for red meat and fish most of the time right now. I eat them when I can though.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on January 16, 2013
at 03:24 PM

1/2 - It's true that there is no "glucose deficiency", since the body will produce glucose from protein - sometimes this is excess dietary protein, sometimes this is from your own body. That said, tubers may be handy: no/low fructose, some glucose, and resistant starch. Just make sure to cook them well with lots of fat.

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194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

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on January 16, 2013
at 05:32 PM

I experience this too when I binge on carbs. The high lasts for a couple days, and then I crash, anxiety and all. Just you wait. : )

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

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on January 17, 2013
at 03:36 AM

I would say restoration. Carbs are energy.

5e22ee3adb04e430e2e45f3273f634e5

(30)

on January 16, 2013
at 05:44 PM

Ah, so it's the carbs? When you go back to your regular diet, how much carbs do you eat? Maybe we're just eating too few? Or does this effect only happen when you OVEREAT on carbs? I basically just want to know this: Was this response one of SEDATION (from consuming unhealthy amounts of something), or one of RESTORATION (from consuming something that I was supposed to be consuming but wasn't) If it's sedation, then while it was a good "high", I can't keep that up day in and day out. That would be like saying being drunk makes you relaxed, so drink alcohol all the time.

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on January 17, 2013
at 02:30 AM

Eat more paleo safe carbs and a little more salt so you don't binge!

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on January 16, 2013
at 06:26 PM

It's just the fact that you, for once, felt in-control again.

When starting the diet you had all of the control. After a while, it slips. It can make us feel like the diet is the one in control, and that it is the diet's fault that we can or can not do/eat certain things...

When you decided to let go, to throw all inhibitions to the wind and just live for once and have fun, eating pizza like the rest of your family/friends/community, of course you felt great the next day.

(sidenote, foods from our past can trigger memories from our past. It may have taken you back to a good experience from your former life. That night, you may have had some wonderful dreams of things that you forgot were a part of your existance, leaving you very satisfied upon awakening)

You awoke, knowing that all that you had previously feared, you've confronted head-on and it made you feel like a new man.

Just don't start thinking that it's 'something in the food making you calm', or the next time stress builds up, processed foods with be your bodies go-to.

Before you know it, you could easily slip back into the void!!!

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on January 16, 2013
at 06:15 PM

I also heard a guest on Robb Wolf say that dairy can activate the cannabinoid receptors, so you can get a slight high from the cheese.

5e22ee3adb04e430e2e45f3273f634e5

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on January 17, 2013
at 08:06 AM

Oh, this is pretty interesting.

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on January 16, 2013
at 06:07 PM

It sounds like you are just too low in carbs. You might consider adding more paleo-friendly carbs to your diet.

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on January 16, 2013
at 06:07 PM

Chris Kresser tells a story about a guy who was allergic to many things and was on a strict diet. The guy kept getting sicker and sicker and eventually stopped coming to see him. Chris assumed he died. Then he came back into his office 6 months later and looked great. When Chris asked him what he did to cause the remarkable turn in his health, he said he started drinking beer and eating pizza, because he felt like he was going to die any way. For what ever reason, he started getting healthier.

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

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on January 16, 2013
at 06:10 PM

Yeah...this is a different version of the story I wrote about in my answer. I don't think this was really a patient Kresser had -- I think it's a kind of parable across the medical/health world to remind us of an important lesson.

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on January 16, 2013
at 03:37 PM

Could be lots of things.

Possibly the big dose of carbohydrates, possibly just the total # of calories. Possibly the additional salt. (Or a combination of all these.)

BUT...

Methinks it has a lot more to do with saying "Eff it" and just eating (and enjoying!) a whole lot of something that was probably quite delicious, especially since you've been eating in such a restricted way. (Not sure how long that's been going on, but I imagine you don't have a lot of wiggle room trying to get from 10 to 8% body fat. No matter how good your abs might look, if you're an emotional wreck [you mentioned anxiety], what's the point? Is there some pressing reason you want to be 8% body fat?)

Aaaaanyway, my point is: many nutrition and health science students have heard the story of the guy who was doing everything right. Working out, eating perfectly. Supplementing perfectly. Never ate one molecule of food that wasn't on his plan. Never ate at any time of day that wasn't on his plan. Did every single workout exactly as prescribed.

But his health got worse and worse. He was tired, depressed, no libido, his digestion and elimination were a wreck. He was at his wit's end because he was absolutely meticulous about Every. Single. Thing. he did with regard to diet and exercise.

And you know what the doctor told him? I want you to go out with your friends. Go out, have pizza and beer. Have as much as you want and just have a good time. The guy takes the advice and has a good nigh out with his buddies and whatever he wanted to eat without weighing and measuring it or worrying about how much fat/sugar/whatever was in it.

And afterward? He felt like a million bucks.

Somehow I don't think it's necessarily the pizza itself that did this to you, but maybe just letting yourself be human. In the absence of overt celiac disease or some other gluten issue that might have you in the bathroom for 3 days or breaking out in hives, A good old-fashioned pizza bender is not the end of the world once in a while. Think of it like a crab refeed (which may, in fact, have been what your body wanted most). Remember the 80/20 principle -- or even if you want to be more like 90/10, that 10% leaves room for relaxing your diet now and then.

5e22ee3adb04e430e2e45f3273f634e5

(30)

on January 16, 2013
at 03:41 PM

Thank you. I already considered the mental aspect of just having let go, but I really know how my mind works and this wasn't it. I could tell. There was some other thing going on that was affecting my brain chemistry directly. I don't know if I can convince you with this, but again I really know how my mind works and I could tell 100% it wasn't just the letting go.

5e22ee3adb04e430e2e45f3273f634e5

(30)

on January 16, 2013
at 03:52 PM

Also, as I mentioned in some other post, I'm trying to lower my body fat % because I'm a model and having less fat and water retention on my body makes me look so much better.

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

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on January 16, 2013
at 05:47 PM

No worries. You know your body best!

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on January 16, 2013
at 03:24 PM

Magnesium deficiency comes to mind. Grains are decent sources of Magnesium. Try supplementing 400-600 mg Mag Glycinate before bed.

And definitely don't limit salt! Mineral balance is important.

5e22ee3adb04e430e2e45f3273f634e5

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on January 16, 2013
at 03:45 PM

Thanks! I've already been supplementing with magnesium for like a year though. I also drink plenty of bone broth, and take the supplements on top of that, so don't think magnesium is a problem there.

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on January 16, 2013
at 02:32 PM

Maybe you've been cutting too many calories?? Sounds like you revved up your metabolism with all of that food! Believe me, if you do it everyday, it will no longer feel good!

5e22ee3adb04e430e2e45f3273f634e5

(30)

on January 16, 2013
at 02:54 PM

Could be the case. I was hoping I could replicate the effect though. I'd be really bummed out if that was the case. I mean I want to be calm, carefree and unreactive like that every day if I can, but I won't get fat or stuff myself into a slumber in order to do it :)

7dab2d8c97e44d8d0c298e5c9d5d75bc

(641)

on January 16, 2013
at 05:37 PM

I felt best when I was crazy active and not really eating one day, then my day off I would eat a ton. I got the effect you described with all paleo food!

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