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thinking about adding back in some quinoa/other forms of starch.

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created June 08, 2012 at 5:47 PM

I am thinking about introducing some grains back into my diet. I eat rice on occasion with sushi, but that's the only grain I've been eating in the past few years or so. I am wondering, for those of you who do partake in this activity, which grains you would recommend starting with?

I am thinking about quinoa? Anybody eat this stuff regularly? Do you get the sprouted kind and cook it, or do you just get the regular unsprouted variety and prepare it that way? Does it even matter?

Thanks for your help.

93eea7754e6e94b6085dbabbb48c0bb7

on September 09, 2012
at 10:02 PM

@dualhammers: I distinctly remember Robb wolf talking about quinoa in his book and saying how like grains, it shouldn't be consumed. It just is too close to a grain. I'm not spreading misinformation at all. If I had the slightest belief it may be paleo I wouldn't have made my comment, but most people who eat a whole foods paleo diet aren't downing quinoa for its "high" nutrient properties.

091423a30c0188fbff51e39397e7e056

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on September 09, 2012
at 07:55 PM

It isn't a grain, and it doesn't have any gluten-like properties. The Saponin on the outer layer of the seed can be washed off and often already is when you buy it commercially. Don't spread misinformation, please.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on June 14, 2012
at 11:53 AM

@ primallykosher- LOL. I drink beer all the time.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on June 14, 2012
at 12:37 AM

...You can't see it in the picture but my friend sitting next to me is holding 3ft tall Miller Lite bottle in his right hand. Needless to say, the pic was taken by a Miller Lite employee.

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

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on June 14, 2012
at 12:34 AM

Saponins are a broad class of plant compounds, the idea that "saponins are gut irritants" just because *some* saponins have been shown to negatively affect gut health (often in vitro) is not well supported.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 13, 2012
at 11:59 PM

Good way of putting. I believe in the same thing too- less than SAD, more than LC.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 13, 2012
at 11:56 PM

@ primallykosher- LOL. I drink beer all the time. Look at my picture. I'm like 5 or 6 deep there.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 13, 2012
at 11:49 PM

@ primallykosher- LOL. I drink beer all the time. Look at my picture. That's like 8 beers deep.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 13, 2012
at 11:47 PM

I drink beer all the time. Look at my picture.

537001f30670e73eb0ac45779af649a5

on June 13, 2012
at 11:39 PM

saponins are gut irritants.

C4f1a0c70c4e0dea507c2e346c036bbd

on June 13, 2012
at 11:27 PM

Beer grains. Sour dough could be good too. If you find a way of staying ripped drinking beer, you could make a fortune.

3eca93d2e56dfcd768197dc5a50944f2

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on June 13, 2012
at 11:18 PM

Read Chris Kresser's latest podcast where they discuss quinoa. It's not good for you.

93eea7754e6e94b6085dbabbb48c0bb7

on June 12, 2012
at 11:32 PM

Seriously that really isn't that many carbs! On high carb days I have two medium sweet potatoes which equals out to about 100g of carbs so you seem fine! OH and about the quinoa, I know Robb Wolf does a good job of explaining it in his book. If I have time I will provide a summary.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on June 12, 2012
at 03:16 PM

"Are saponins that bad?" Do you like drinking soap? Then, no. ;-)

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on June 12, 2012
at 03:55 AM

THanks for the suggestion. I had no idea it had gluten-like properties. I was so close to trying it too! I'm going to have to do some more research into this. Also, I eat 75g STARCH on high carb days. That doesn't include bananas. Before regattas or soccer matches, I'd eat up to 4 bananas!

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

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on June 08, 2012
at 06:53 PM

In regards to washed quinoa.

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

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on June 08, 2012
at 06:52 PM

Quinoa saponins can be gut irritants, probably not that bad unless you have sensitive intestines like myself.

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

(12672)

on June 08, 2012
at 06:45 PM

Nope, I typically just buy the flour for baking.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 08, 2012
at 06:41 PM

The stuff I am looking to buy says that it's pre washed, so I think that means the saponins are rinsed out anyways. Are saponins that bad ?

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 08, 2012
at 06:39 PM

Thanks, DK. I have not eaten more than 60g of starchy carbs in one sitting in probably a decade or more. I probably come close to that when getting sushi though, cause I usually get 1 roll and then some sashimi. Does beer have starch? idk. I usually keep my starchy carbs to below 30g per sitting, but up to 75g of starches (in separate meals) on higher carb days. I wouldn't be eating large bowls of quinoa, just a small amount, so the insulin response wouldn't be that strong anyways.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 08, 2012
at 06:39 PM

Thanks, DK. I have not eaten more than 60g of starchy carbs in one sitting in probably a decade or more. I probably come close to that when getting sushi though, cause I usually get 1 roll and then some sashimi. Does beer have starch? idk. I usually keep my starchy carbs to below 30g per sitting, but up to 75g of starches (in separate meals) on higher carb days. I wouldn't be eating large bowls of quinoa, just a small amount, so the insulin response wouldn't real bye that great anyways

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 08, 2012
at 06:37 PM

Thanks, DK. I have not eaten more than 60g of starchy carbs in one sitting since I can remember. I probably come close to that when getting sushi though, cause I usually get 1 roll and then some sashimi. Does beer have starch? idk. I usually keep my starchy carbs to below 30g per sitting, but up to 75g of starches (in separate meals) on higher carb days. I wouldn't be eating large bowls of quinoa, just a small amount, so the insulin response wouldn't real bye that great anyways.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 08, 2012
at 06:28 PM

My GI health is pretty good, I think. Do you sprout the buckwheat yourself before eating it?

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on June 08, 2012
at 06:03 PM

Soooooaaaaak it.

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93eea7754e6e94b6085dbabbb48c0bb7

on June 12, 2012
at 03:41 AM

I don't know, personally I think there are better options than adding in quinoa. It is considered a grain closely related to the gluten properties in wheat. It can damage the intestines and gut lining the same way wheat does so I would go with potatoes and rice instead. If you are only eating 75g of carbs a day, which is not a lot by any means- you could get to that level with one heaping plate of white rice or a huge-ass baked sweet potato. In my opinion, both are more healthful and delicious than quinoa...

93eea7754e6e94b6085dbabbb48c0bb7

on June 12, 2012
at 11:32 PM

Seriously that really isn't that many carbs! On high carb days I have two medium sweet potatoes which equals out to about 100g of carbs so you seem fine! OH and about the quinoa, I know Robb Wolf does a good job of explaining it in his book. If I have time I will provide a summary.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 12, 2012
at 03:55 AM

THanks for the suggestion. I had no idea it had gluten-like properties. I was so close to trying it too! I'm going to have to do some more research into this. Also, I eat 75g STARCH on high carb days. That doesn't include bananas. Before regattas or soccer matches, I'd eat up to 4 bananas!

93eea7754e6e94b6085dbabbb48c0bb7

on September 09, 2012
at 10:02 PM

@dualhammers: I distinctly remember Robb wolf talking about quinoa in his book and saying how like grains, it shouldn't be consumed. It just is too close to a grain. I'm not spreading misinformation at all. If I had the slightest belief it may be paleo I wouldn't have made my comment, but most people who eat a whole foods paleo diet aren't downing quinoa for its "high" nutrient properties.

091423a30c0188fbff51e39397e7e056

(384)

on September 09, 2012
at 07:55 PM

It isn't a grain, and it doesn't have any gluten-like properties. The Saponin on the outer layer of the seed can be washed off and often already is when you buy it commercially. Don't spread misinformation, please.

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Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on June 12, 2012
at 03:21 PM

I'm a staunch believer in "lower than SAD levels, higher than LC" carbohydrate intake, coupled with daily activity. I get around ~150g a day -- less some days, more when I plan a big day out running or biking the next day.

For my dense starches, I prefer sweet potatoes, (actual) yams, and cassava / yucca. All of them can be prepared in a variety of ways, and beyond skinning them, only the cassava takes a little extra work (after boiling, cutting out the inner root), to be free of (most?) bad stuff.

Cassava flour (i.e. tapioca starch) can be used to make small bread-type-things or crackery things as well. Easy to overeat, so be careful, but another way to get dense starches in you.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 13, 2012
at 11:59 PM

Good way of putting. I believe in the same thing too- less than SAD, more than LC.

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D5e33b1221b525905392bfb9930ca3df

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on June 13, 2012
at 11:17 PM

Don't know which is correct, but this was on answers.com

Quinoa-( pronounced keen-wah), sometimes called a whole grain, but in actuality is a seed, has been cultivated in the Andes Mountains of South America foro 5000 years. It is considered one of the best sources of protein and amino acids by the Food and Agricultural Organization of the United Natins. It is llight and fluffy when cooked and is a more nutritious alternative to rice as a side dish or salad. It is sold as a no-gluten food.

Before cooking, it should be thoroughly rinsed in a strainer under running water and drained ,to remove 'saponin', which would give it a bitter taste and could be toxic. Cook for about 15 minutes (1 cup quinoa to 2 cups water- bring to a boil and let simmer until all the water has evaporated).

One agronomist has said if he had to choose one food o survive on it would be quinoa.

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_quinoa_good_for#ixzz1xiaGcLCQ

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531b053b68e92ac509fc1544f88dc103

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on June 08, 2012
at 06:08 PM

Quinoa never used to mess me up, but now after 6 months Paleo, the two times I tried to reintroduce it, I had terrible IBS symptoms (pain & bloating).

I eat low carb all the time with the exception of right after my weight lifting sessions where I eat 4 rice cakes (60g carbs) and guzzle whey protein. Aside from burning out your glycogen reserves through exercise, I don't see the point in eating high glycemic carbs. The high insulin response is only beneficial post-workout because it shuttles nutrients into your muscles and blunts cortisol levels from rising. Any other time, the sugar and insulin will just make you fat and sick.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 08, 2012
at 06:39 PM

Thanks, DK. I have not eaten more than 60g of starchy carbs in one sitting in probably a decade or more. I probably come close to that when getting sushi though, cause I usually get 1 roll and then some sashimi. Does beer have starch? idk. I usually keep my starchy carbs to below 30g per sitting, but up to 75g of starches (in separate meals) on higher carb days. I wouldn't be eating large bowls of quinoa, just a small amount, so the insulin response wouldn't be that strong anyways.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 08, 2012
at 06:37 PM

Thanks, DK. I have not eaten more than 60g of starchy carbs in one sitting since I can remember. I probably come close to that when getting sushi though, cause I usually get 1 roll and then some sashimi. Does beer have starch? idk. I usually keep my starchy carbs to below 30g per sitting, but up to 75g of starches (in separate meals) on higher carb days. I wouldn't be eating large bowls of quinoa, just a small amount, so the insulin response wouldn't real bye that great anyways.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 08, 2012
at 06:39 PM

Thanks, DK. I have not eaten more than 60g of starchy carbs in one sitting in probably a decade or more. I probably come close to that when getting sushi though, cause I usually get 1 roll and then some sashimi. Does beer have starch? idk. I usually keep my starchy carbs to below 30g per sitting, but up to 75g of starches (in separate meals) on higher carb days. I wouldn't be eating large bowls of quinoa, just a small amount, so the insulin response wouldn't real bye that great anyways

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A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

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on June 08, 2012
at 06:02 PM

How's you gut health? Quinoa gives me a stomach ache pretty consistently. Not sure what that's about, but I have tried washing it to remove saponins. Never had it sprouted.

As far as grains I do fine eating rice and corn, though their nutrient density is pretty piss poor. I'm actually a fan of buckwheat, which I have no digestive problems with and seems to have decent amounts of vitamins and minerals.

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

(12672)

on June 08, 2012
at 06:45 PM

Nope, I typically just buy the flour for baking.

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

(12672)

on June 08, 2012
at 06:52 PM

Quinoa saponins can be gut irritants, probably not that bad unless you have sensitive intestines like myself.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 08, 2012
at 06:28 PM

My GI health is pretty good, I think. Do you sprout the buckwheat yourself before eating it?

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

(12672)

on June 08, 2012
at 06:53 PM

In regards to washed quinoa.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 08, 2012
at 06:41 PM

The stuff I am looking to buy says that it's pre washed, so I think that means the saponins are rinsed out anyways. Are saponins that bad ?

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on June 12, 2012
at 03:16 PM

"Are saponins that bad?" Do you like drinking soap? Then, no. ;-)

537001f30670e73eb0ac45779af649a5

on June 13, 2012
at 11:39 PM

saponins are gut irritants.

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

(12672)

on June 14, 2012
at 12:34 AM

Saponins are a broad class of plant compounds, the idea that "saponins are gut irritants" just because *some* saponins have been shown to negatively affect gut health (often in vitro) is not well supported.

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