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Should I stop eating fruit at breakfast?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created March 14, 2013 at 7:12 PM

I'm trying to lose weight, and though I've just been having a fresh pressed juice in the morning, I'm afraid it's stalling my weight. I was trying to get the benefits of raw kale etc, but I'm not sure it's worth it.

I usually juice 1 apple, 4 medium carrots, 2 celery stalks, half a cucumber, 1 large kale leaf, and 1 large collard green leaf.

Has anyone had a positive experience switching from fruit in the morning to meat like bacon and turkey? (I have an allergy to eggs and they don't fill me up) Although I don't believe carbs are evil anymore as long as they're good carbs, I do still think that there's something to be said about not raising your insulin at all in the morning (possibly allows more fat burning?) I'm wondering if eating fruit in the morning is stopping the fat burning process for a good portion of the day. My plan is to switch to bacon and turkey or something at breakfast, workout before dinner, and eat some potatoes/rice (since I feel better with carbs) ?

Thanks in advance for comments!

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

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on March 15, 2013
at 07:02 PM

@Wakaanai Well, maybe I was inferring something that wasn't implied - my bad about that. Also, I strongly agree with the "whatever works" ideology - I eat 100-250g of carbs a day, for e.g. - that probably horrifies some here.

5bd7f43c7da83282bcb78e3aa33832e0

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on March 15, 2013
at 06:51 PM

Also I should mention that fruit is generally not a good idea to use in juicing. The exception seems to be adding a single apple to a recipe that's otherwise mostly low-sugar vegetables. I gave a classic example of a good recipe a few posts up

5bd7f43c7da83282bcb78e3aa33832e0

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on March 15, 2013
at 06:46 PM

Sorry. I didn't mean to sound condescending or act superior. I'm trying to make an epistemological point. Your argument sounds like it makes sense, and a lot of the writing on juice fasting sounds like pseudoscientific nonsense, but this is unimportant in comparison to the only practical consideration there is: whether it works. And with the masses of ridiculously positive testimonials, and the obvious utility I've found in my own life, my conclusion is simple: continue doing it, and encourage others to give it a try

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

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on March 15, 2013
at 06:21 PM

@Wakaanai Resources that show juiced fruits are healthier than whole fruits would be much more welcome than condescending claims of superiority from the "alternative health" world. You've had an account here for a while, so I don't think you're trying to troll, but you're doing a good job at it regardless! :-D

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on March 15, 2013
at 05:51 PM

@Amber: Yeah, just make sure when you juice, it's mostly veggies such as kale and collards (go easy on the high sugar veggies like carrots)! My favorite recipe is a head of kale, a few stalks of celery, a few carrots, and a Fuji apple. Similar to yours. Good luck :)

5bd7f43c7da83282bcb78e3aa33832e0

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on March 15, 2013
at 05:49 PM

@Amber: Yeah, just make sure when you juice, it's mostly low-sugar green veggies such as kale and collards!

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on March 15, 2013
at 05:47 PM

@greymouser: Again your comments simply fall to the wayside in my mind as I turn my attention to the massive evidence in the alternative health community of the benefits of juice fasting

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

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on March 15, 2013
at 10:42 AM

Fasting itself has benefits - juice does not have benefits. If you want to juice, there are probably better forums to discuss that in. ;-) Juice remains just as bad for you as soda. If you are craving fruit, just eat real, fresh fruit - not juiced, not dried.

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on March 15, 2013
at 07:00 AM

Very good point! The benefits of juicing are extraordinary, I'm just being vain I guess? Trying to find a balance with weight, health, and it all. But like you say, I think juicing is probably nothing but beneficial. Thanks!

5bd7f43c7da83282bcb78e3aa33832e0

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on March 15, 2013
at 05:23 AM

Sounds like a great way to start your day as long as you make up for (part of) the deficit with rich enough food for lunch and dinner (grass-fed beef, etc)

5bd7f43c7da83282bcb78e3aa33832e0

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on March 15, 2013
at 05:21 AM

Juice fasting is one of the most proven methods in all of alternative health, and short intermittent fasting e.g. each morning is a good way to bring some of those benefits on a consistent basis. Your post 'sounds' like it makes sense, but after reading it all I could think was, "Why does any of this matter, with all the testimonials all over the Internet about how useful juice fasting is, plus the benefits I've seen in my own life?" Take this as you will

C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

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on March 14, 2013
at 08:19 PM

Thanks for your feed back! I'm gonna stick with it and see and judge progress in a few weeks :)

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on March 14, 2013
at 08:00 PM

Nope; nothing you described is going to be problematic in that, though you'd obviously get greater satiety if you ate all of that whole. Trading that for a greater number of calories as bacon...not sure if srs.

C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

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on March 14, 2013
at 07:54 PM

Thank you for this! Sorry I didn't mention this, but I typically EAT 3/4 of the apple and juice everything else in the recipe I mentioned. And I have too noticed my digestion is MUCH better with this, so maybe I'm just being paranoid. This is the only fruit I have so maybe it's not a problem...? I'll give it time. Thanks!

72cf727474b8bf815fdc505e58cadfea

on March 14, 2013
at 07:53 PM

I was going to comment about lime juice being a funny example, but when I checked I was startled to discover that lime juice has about as much sugar as tomato juice. Now I know that drinking a glass of fresh lime juice with breakfast is nutritionally questionable, on top of being obviously insane.

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on March 14, 2013
at 07:50 PM

Agreed, juice allows you to shoot a vastly larger quantity of fruit sugar than you could reasonably get from eating fruit, and without any solid matter to slow absorption. On the other hand, I'm not sure whether I'd expect a _reasonably sized_ quantity of fruit juice to have the effects you described.

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on March 15, 2013
at 02:41 AM

I think one of the most important dietary changes I made when going Paleo was to start having zero-carb, high protein breakfasts. Before that I was eating sugary or starchy foods for breakfast and i think i was getting an insulin surge first thing in the morning, which led to weight gain and an energy roller coaster all day long.

These days I eat mostly eggs for breakfast, maybe with some smoked salmon or avocado, and coffee with whole cream and no sugar. This really makes a huge difference for me in terms of energy and mood, and it controls my appetite so that I am hungry but not starving at lunch.

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Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

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on March 14, 2013
at 07:20 PM

You just described drinking juice, not eating fruit. Juice is more like soda, than it is like fresh fruit. Don't fret about including a juiced fruit in a larger dish (e.g. lime juice in guacamole), but simply do not drink your meals, and especially avoid sugary drinks like soda, juice, "power ades", etc. Liquids do not trigger levels of satiety as high as solid foods, and mega doses of sugar often cause actual health issues for people and not just stalled weight loss.

Personally, I often have small serving of fruit at breakfast. I experimented with cutting fresh fruit nearly out of my diet, but I find that certain fruits really help with my digestion and overall health (if not weight maintenance via those routes). I mainly eat strawberries and pineapple when I eat fruit. This small serving of fruit is usually alongside some sort of meat, fish, or eggs.

So, don't let me bring you down too much, but really consider not drinking your food. Fruit, in my humble opinion, can be part of a healthy diet, but it may not be for everyone, so find out what works for you.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

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on March 15, 2013
at 06:21 PM

@Wakaanai Resources that show juiced fruits are healthier than whole fruits would be much more welcome than condescending claims of superiority from the "alternative health" world. You've had an account here for a while, so I don't think you're trying to troll, but you're doing a good job at it regardless! :-D

C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

(753)

on March 14, 2013
at 07:54 PM

Thank you for this! Sorry I didn't mention this, but I typically EAT 3/4 of the apple and juice everything else in the recipe I mentioned. And I have too noticed my digestion is MUCH better with this, so maybe I'm just being paranoid. This is the only fruit I have so maybe it's not a problem...? I'll give it time. Thanks!

5bd7f43c7da83282bcb78e3aa33832e0

(266)

on March 15, 2013
at 05:51 PM

@Amber: Yeah, just make sure when you juice, it's mostly veggies such as kale and collards (go easy on the high sugar veggies like carrots)! My favorite recipe is a head of kale, a few stalks of celery, a few carrots, and a Fuji apple. Similar to yours. Good luck :)

72cf727474b8bf815fdc505e58cadfea

on March 14, 2013
at 07:53 PM

I was going to comment about lime juice being a funny example, but when I checked I was startled to discover that lime juice has about as much sugar as tomato juice. Now I know that drinking a glass of fresh lime juice with breakfast is nutritionally questionable, on top of being obviously insane.

5bd7f43c7da83282bcb78e3aa33832e0

(266)

on March 15, 2013
at 06:46 PM

Sorry. I didn't mean to sound condescending or act superior. I'm trying to make an epistemological point. Your argument sounds like it makes sense, and a lot of the writing on juice fasting sounds like pseudoscientific nonsense, but this is unimportant in comparison to the only practical consideration there is: whether it works. And with the masses of ridiculously positive testimonials, and the obvious utility I've found in my own life, my conclusion is simple: continue doing it, and encourage others to give it a try

5bd7f43c7da83282bcb78e3aa33832e0

(266)

on March 15, 2013
at 05:49 PM

@Amber: Yeah, just make sure when you juice, it's mostly low-sugar green veggies such as kale and collards!

5bd7f43c7da83282bcb78e3aa33832e0

(266)

on March 15, 2013
at 05:47 PM

@greymouser: Again your comments simply fall to the wayside in my mind as I turn my attention to the massive evidence in the alternative health community of the benefits of juice fasting

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on March 15, 2013
at 07:02 PM

@Wakaanai Well, maybe I was inferring something that wasn't implied - my bad about that. Also, I strongly agree with the "whatever works" ideology - I eat 100-250g of carbs a day, for e.g. - that probably horrifies some here.

72cf727474b8bf815fdc505e58cadfea

on March 14, 2013
at 07:50 PM

Agreed, juice allows you to shoot a vastly larger quantity of fruit sugar than you could reasonably get from eating fruit, and without any solid matter to slow absorption. On the other hand, I'm not sure whether I'd expect a _reasonably sized_ quantity of fruit juice to have the effects you described.

5bd7f43c7da83282bcb78e3aa33832e0

(266)

on March 15, 2013
at 06:51 PM

Also I should mention that fruit is generally not a good idea to use in juicing. The exception seems to be adding a single apple to a recipe that's otherwise mostly low-sugar vegetables. I gave a classic example of a good recipe a few posts up

5bd7f43c7da83282bcb78e3aa33832e0

(266)

on March 15, 2013
at 05:21 AM

Juice fasting is one of the most proven methods in all of alternative health, and short intermittent fasting e.g. each morning is a good way to bring some of those benefits on a consistent basis. Your post 'sounds' like it makes sense, but after reading it all I could think was, "Why does any of this matter, with all the testimonials all over the Internet about how useful juice fasting is, plus the benefits I've seen in my own life?" Take this as you will

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on March 15, 2013
at 10:42 AM

Fasting itself has benefits - juice does not have benefits. If you want to juice, there are probably better forums to discuss that in. ;-) Juice remains just as bad for you as soda. If you are craving fruit, just eat real, fresh fruit - not juiced, not dried.

C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

(753)

on March 15, 2013
at 07:00 AM

Very good point! The benefits of juicing are extraordinary, I'm just being vain I guess? Trying to find a balance with weight, health, and it all. But like you say, I think juicing is probably nothing but beneficial. Thanks!

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