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saturated fat and carbs

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created September 08, 2012 at 1:16 PM

Fact 1- Excess carbohydrate consumption are converted to saturated fat within the body.

Fact 2- fruits and vegetables are loaded with vitamins, minerals and antioxidants the prevent cellular damage from carbohydrate consumption.

Fact 3- it is more difficult for our bodies to convert carbohydrate to adipose tissue, but very easy for our bodies to convert Saturated fatty acids to stored body fat.

Question- Why are carbs bad and saturated fat good if carbs offer so much more in the way of nutrition and are more difficult to turn into stored body fat?

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(10611)

on September 10, 2012
at 12:05 PM

Reduced quantities of everything in the past, especially fat and carbs.

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(10611)

on September 10, 2012
at 12:01 PM

And most of the HD kcal foods are also laden with vegetable fats. So easy to overeat, and not just because of the carbs.

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(10611)

on September 10, 2012
at 11:57 AM

Protein & fat ergo protein & fat? Are we examining a cadaver here? Get off bashing carbs as nutrients for living, breathing, laughing humans.

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on September 10, 2012
at 11:52 AM

I'd argue slightly with #1, and with the general concept that skewing your diet to exclude a particular macronutrient group is desirable. Otherwise carry on.

742ff8ba4ff55e84593ede14ac1c3cab

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on September 10, 2012
at 12:47 AM

Couldn't have said it better myself.

94a4a87e3d2e1e9160b6ed77678b4bea

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on September 09, 2012
at 02:17 AM

Fruit bats and deer... you mean like the ones who have evolved highly complex cerebral function by expanding their diet to include organ meats and animal fats?

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on September 08, 2012
at 06:50 PM

it's produced by intestinal bacteria from carbohydrate that the host cannot digest, such as cellulose and pectin. Indigestible carbohydrate is the main form of dietary fiber.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on September 08, 2012
at 06:49 PM

http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2009/12/butyric-acid-ancient-controller-of.html

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on September 08, 2012
at 06:48 PM

@ David- I thought that I read on wholehealthsource.com a year+ back that our bodies create butyric acid, which is a short chain saturated fatty acid. I don't know anything about the longer-chain ones. Just trying to help poor alligator out, because he seems to be getting pummeled in this thread.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on September 08, 2012
at 06:40 PM

Insulin does not just store glucose as fat. If your muscle cells are insulin sensitive, it will store it as muscle glycogen. Muscles only become insulin resistant over time if you do not keep active and work them sufficiently.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on September 08, 2012
at 05:10 PM

Do you have sources for your facts? Thansk

2336245491a87ee15d4fb8f8f8283909

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on September 08, 2012
at 04:52 PM

Your body doesn't make short or medium chain saturates.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on September 08, 2012
at 03:00 PM

We make plenty of saturated fat ourselves.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on September 08, 2012
at 02:59 PM

and other non-traditional amino acids in his animal product scores. He's as transparent in his agenda as any paleo source.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on September 08, 2012
at 02:58 PM

And while I'm a fan of phytonutrients, he also inflates vegan food sources by arbitrary inclusion of whatever phytonutrients he assigns to them. I'm sure he doesn't include things like carnitene

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on September 08, 2012
at 02:58 PM

Do you honestly think that just eating carbohydrates (not bingeing on carbs) is not something our bodies are well equipped to handle? Over time our muscles only become insulin resistant if you them become insulin resistant.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on September 08, 2012
at 02:56 PM

His system rewards low calorie foods over high calorie foods. We have to eat calories, period, so that's rather silly.

3a9d5dde5212ccd34b860bb6ed07bbef

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on September 08, 2012
at 02:52 PM

Right, and butyric acid is related to all sorts of health benefits.

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

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on September 08, 2012
at 02:39 PM

Alligator you're thinking of the fact that soluble fiber and resistant starch convert to butyric acid (a saturated fat) in our colon.So JB, I think you need a caveat to your fact 1

3a9d5dde5212ccd34b860bb6ed07bbef

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on September 08, 2012
at 02:00 PM

....but our body must have a way of producing saturated fat because they are not essential fatty acids in the way omega-3 and 6 are.

3a9d5dde5212ccd34b860bb6ed07bbef

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on September 08, 2012
at 01:57 PM

This still does not mean it is optimal to eat more animal than plant products. Look at fruit bats, deer, apes, etc who get most of their calories from plant foods despite not being made up of cellulose.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on September 08, 2012
at 01:53 PM

Every cell in the body is decorated with carbohydrates, these are recognition elements, essential for cell signaling pathways. There's also quite a bit of carbohydrate in the extracellular matrix - hyaluronan, for example.

3a9d5dde5212ccd34b860bb6ed07bbef

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on September 08, 2012
at 01:51 PM

LOL. Yes it would help if I had my facts straight. I guess I was wrong. thanks for very helpful answer.

3a9d5dde5212ccd34b860bb6ed07bbef

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on September 08, 2012
at 01:50 PM

Oh. I was just going by Dr. Fuhrman's widely cited nutrient density chart, which shows animal products to be low on the list.

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on September 08, 2012
at 01:48 PM

Vegetables are lame sources of nutrients, especially minerals btw. They're not too wonderful at providing vitamins also, since the nutrition degrades after the plant is picked. The only Vitamin plants are good for is Vitamin C. The only thing plant foods have going for them is fiber and non-vitamin antioxidants. All (read: 100%) animal foods provide more nutrition than plants.

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8
5f80078ca8eb85bb3850d730ccb6db47

on September 08, 2012
at 01:32 PM

Fact 4 - Get your first three facts straight.

6
7f1e48db1bee85b9ef8a4bc4baedd044

on September 08, 2012
at 01:28 PM

Carbs are not bad.

5
6bce08b072e3cea49b292658b9d5d197

on September 08, 2012
at 01:35 PM

Fact 1: Excess Carbohydrate are not converted to saturated fat. They are converted to triglycerides via the liver when they are in excess in the body, then stored in adipose tissue

Fact 2: You are correct. So?

Fact 3: It is not easy for the body to store saturated fat as adipose tissue. If you are not a glucose-drenched slob, your body will use dietary saturated fat as its preferred energy source.

Answer: See the facts listed above.

http://www.jbprimal.com

3a9d5dde5212ccd34b860bb6ed07bbef

(1782)

on September 08, 2012
at 02:52 PM

Right, and butyric acid is related to all sorts of health benefits.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on September 08, 2012
at 03:00 PM

We make plenty of saturated fat ourselves.

3a9d5dde5212ccd34b860bb6ed07bbef

(1782)

on September 08, 2012
at 01:51 PM

LOL. Yes it would help if I had my facts straight. I guess I was wrong. thanks for very helpful answer.

3a9d5dde5212ccd34b860bb6ed07bbef

(1782)

on September 08, 2012
at 02:00 PM

....but our body must have a way of producing saturated fat because they are not essential fatty acids in the way omega-3 and 6 are.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on September 08, 2012
at 06:49 PM

http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2009/12/butyric-acid-ancient-controller-of.html

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on September 08, 2012
at 06:48 PM

@ David- I thought that I read on wholehealthsource.com a year+ back that our bodies create butyric acid, which is a short chain saturated fatty acid. I don't know anything about the longer-chain ones. Just trying to help poor alligator out, because he seems to be getting pummeled in this thread.

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

(15236)

on September 08, 2012
at 02:39 PM

Alligator you're thinking of the fact that soluble fiber and resistant starch convert to butyric acid (a saturated fat) in our colon.So JB, I think you need a caveat to your fact 1

2336245491a87ee15d4fb8f8f8283909

(1173)

on September 08, 2012
at 04:52 PM

Your body doesn't make short or medium chain saturates.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on September 08, 2012
at 06:50 PM

it's produced by intestinal bacteria from carbohydrate that the host cannot digest, such as cellulose and pectin. Indigestible carbohydrate is the main form of dietary fiber.

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32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on September 08, 2012
at 01:32 PM

Well, you made some incorrect assumptions in your question. You're assuming that fats don't offer high amounts of nutrition as carbohydrates do. That's incorrect. You're also assuming that it's desirable to have difficulty storing excess energy as fat.

3a9d5dde5212ccd34b860bb6ed07bbef

(1782)

on September 08, 2012
at 01:50 PM

Oh. I was just going by Dr. Fuhrman's widely cited nutrient density chart, which shows animal products to be low on the list.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on September 08, 2012
at 02:56 PM

His system rewards low calorie foods over high calorie foods. We have to eat calories, period, so that's rather silly.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on September 08, 2012
at 02:59 PM

and other non-traditional amino acids in his animal product scores. He's as transparent in his agenda as any paleo source.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on September 08, 2012
at 02:58 PM

And while I'm a fan of phytonutrients, he also inflates vegan food sources by arbitrary inclusion of whatever phytonutrients he assigns to them. I'm sure he doesn't include things like carnitene

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E753cf7753e7be889ca68b1a4203483f

on September 09, 2012
at 09:49 PM

High or low carb? Who cares? your body can burn both sources and most of us do better if we have fair amounts of both. Dietary fat is easier to store than dietary carbs, but it's still a matter of energy balance, whether you gain or loose bodyfat. Low carbing seems to work wonders for some people (mostly sedentary obese males) and less so for others, but that doesn't mean it's right or wrong. For a high carb diet to be slimming, it has to be based on natural minimally processed foods, and have a fairly low fat content, which combined has proven to be a difficult cocktail for most westerners, but it has nothing to do with carbs being fattening, just that the high carb foods most people prefer are just high crap Kcal dense foods.

742ff8ba4ff55e84593ede14ac1c3cab

(3536)

on September 10, 2012
at 12:47 AM

Couldn't have said it better myself.

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(10611)

on September 10, 2012
at 12:01 PM

And most of the HD kcal foods are also laden with vegetable fats. So easy to overeat, and not just because of the carbs.

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0a9ad4e577fe24a6b8aafa1dd7a50c79

on September 08, 2012
at 01:45 PM

Fats aren't even used for "body fat" most of the time.

They're used as STRUCTURAL NUTRIENTS - the same way Protein is used for structure in the body.

Your body is made of protein + fat, thus it requires protein + fat for maintenance and upkeep. Your body is not made of carbohydrates (well, there's glycogen in your muscles, but either way, your body is not comprised of carbs because we don't have any carb-containing structures like plants do with cellulose.)

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(10611)

on September 10, 2012
at 11:57 AM

Protein & fat ergo protein & fat? Are we examining a cadaver here? Get off bashing carbs as nutrients for living, breathing, laughing humans.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on September 08, 2012
at 01:53 PM

Every cell in the body is decorated with carbohydrates, these are recognition elements, essential for cell signaling pathways. There's also quite a bit of carbohydrate in the extracellular matrix - hyaluronan, for example.

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68294383ced9a0eafc16133aa80d1905

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on September 09, 2012
at 01:44 AM

Paleo, while not low-carb (by modern-day definition), is still reduced-carb (by modern day definition). It begs the question...are carb standards too high? The answer? Hell yes. People eat too many carbs. Far more than they did 100 years ago. Compared to thousands of years ago, it's astronomically higher. I truly believe that this, combined with these sources of carbs being packaged with chemicals/additives that affects hormone levels and disrupts normal body functions, leads to the metabolic issues plaguing society today.

This may be disagreed upon by many in this community, but I truly believe that if all foods consumed were "real food", even if that meant excess starch, raw forms of sugar and any type of fat, that 90% of these problems wouldn't exist. This flies in the face of those who argue that macronutrients, sleep, exercise, stress, etc...is the cause. I think it all starts with the type of food being consumed.

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(10611)

on September 10, 2012
at 12:05 PM

Reduced quantities of everything in the past, especially fat and carbs.

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2336245491a87ee15d4fb8f8f8283909

(1173)

on September 08, 2012
at 04:38 PM

Your "facts" aren't entirely accurate.

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on September 08, 2012
at 02:19 PM

The thing you need to consider is that foods high in carbohydrates will raise blood sugar. This will trigger the release of insulin. One of the functions of insulin is to tell the body to store excess glucose in your fat cells. Over time muscles can become insulin resistant. This causes the release of even more insulin to try to bring down your blood sugar. This additional insulin drives the glucose into the fat cells.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on September 08, 2012
at 06:40 PM

Insulin does not just store glucose as fat. If your muscle cells are insulin sensitive, it will store it as muscle glycogen. Muscles only become insulin resistant over time if you do not keep active and work them sufficiently.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on September 08, 2012
at 02:58 PM

Do you honestly think that just eating carbohydrates (not bingeing on carbs) is not something our bodies are well equipped to handle? Over time our muscles only become insulin resistant if you them become insulin resistant.

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