so jaminet & others say some amount of carbs (glucose) is needed for immune health. we all know that active people need more carbs, and probably even plenty of fructose to stay healthy.
yes, ray peat makes plenty of sense when you try out his ideas, and practically they are not that far off from what kresser, jaminet, and some others think. (offal, shellfish, coconut oil, grass fed meats & broths, fat soluble vitamins, pro-anabolic/youth hormones anti-stress pro-thyroid pro-immune system)
(lustig doesn't count in my book because i can't take anti-sugar advice from an obese man)
jaminet also says that ketosis is useful for some problems, and that only by seeing how you feel during ketosis will give a level of diagnosis about what possible infections you may have.
my question is, if carbs help the immune system, and ketosis also seems to help the immune system in some cases, do we as a culture have a list of what kinds of health issues are helped by ketosis, and which are helped by more carbs?
is there a useful list of types of chronic infections somewhere? can we generate a useful list?
asked bydsohei (1791)
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on July 10, 2012
at 10:13 PM
I'm actually very curious about this as well. Right now I'm doing the Keto diet, and have been generally low-carbing for the past year. I've also recently been diagnosed with Tinea Versicolor, a skin fungus. Apparently this fungus thrives on ketones for energy, which explains why low-carb dieters are sometimes afflicted with fungal issues. But it could also be because the immune system does prefer glucose rather than ketones, which could allow the fungus to overpower the immune system in keto/low-carb environment.
I've read that some people have had success with Tinea by consuming varying amounts of glucose or fructose. Of course this isn't an option for people like me who are low-carbing for weight-loss or diabetes prevention.
To answer your question, maybe it has something to do with keto-adaptation or fat-burning-adaptation? Perhaps once our bodies become adapted to the diet, our immune system does as well and learns to become more effective with fat rather than glucose. But whether or not it would be strong enough to defeat a ketone loving fungus? I hope it can be!
on August 26, 2013
at 06:57 AM
I'm also interested in this angle. Up 1. Aside from the increased incidence of hypothyroid symptoms while doing ketosis, could there possibly be immune related aspects? I'm hearing about the high incidence of immunoglobulin deficiency in certain ketogenic dieters. Also that they tend to catch autoimmune diseases more often. Also, that the very low triglycerides, lower than, say 40, is possibly a biomarker of autoimmune pathogenesis.
Just wondering. Could be completely unrelated. But I've been wondering about the low trigs in those who develop autoimmune diseases for a while now. Their levels drop very low, like to 30, which you frequently see in zero-carb dieters. But these are people who're not restricting carbs.
What mechanism could be behind this phenomenon?
on June 20, 2013
at 08:26 AM
I virtually never catch germs as I always eat well. I have given up fruit and now have the worst cold I have had for 5 years. I can barely function and it is almost a week into it - stuffed running nose, sore throat, can hardly open my eyes, cannot breath through my nose, asleep by 9 every night and in bed over 10 hours, trying to struggle through work but hardly able to do much, absolutely dreadful.
You would have thought my immunity would be much better these last 4 weeks not worse. Is it something I am missing from the fruit? I am getting a lot of fresh air, sunshine (i.e. vit D), loads of water to drink, masses of sleep and no sugar, dairy, wheat, rice. I am not hungry and not in ketotis (have tested with strips). I am not having no carb as I still have swede, courgettes, peppers, butternut squash etc
First of all I had 3 really dire awful weeks of candida die off which was at its worst on day 21 of no fruit/chocolate and then very shortly after I am now iller with a proper cold germ for the last week. I don't want to introduce fruit again yet until I've stabilised and feel better nor add back sweet potato.
I would be very disappointed if going lower carb (to lose 30 pounds) means I am less healthy and catch every germ going.