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@Melissa (huntgatherlove)---what is your position on carbs?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created March 03, 2012 at 6:22 AM

After reading good calories bad calories (loved it) I am ready to get rid of carbs forever but I still have a few questions. How can all carbs be bad for all people? I am from a naturally skinny family who eats a lot of carbs and never had a problem with my weight. And how can traditionally high carb societies (kitavans, Japanese, many people mentioned in nutrition and physical degeneration) be healthy?

I tried looking around on your blog and I saw that you believe in whole foods and not macronutrients ratios (correct me if I'm wrong). Could you clarify that a little?

Of course I would love for anyone else to chime in as well :)

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on March 03, 2012
at 07:59 PM

All one should do to be clear is say that assuming normal health, carbs are normal too, because they are. Quite a few people are not there yet and are doing Paleo to get there. That is so they can change their minds and think, huh, I can do carbs now, maybe Paleo was a bit strict on carbs after all!

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on March 03, 2012
at 07:18 PM

peter-Yes, I am quite familiar with the fat drives insulin resistance theory too, and for me it's just backwards. Taubes and my thyroid/hormone dr are in agreement on that. It really doesn't matter if you think the theory behind it has holes, what matters is the application of it and results. Low carb success stories are hardly n=1. That's not even an issue. We end up discussing problems because those generate questions, but a lot of folks are happy and quiet.

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on March 03, 2012
at 03:52 PM

My computer is not touching my food. I am not licking the screen. What are you doing on your computer? :):):)

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on March 03, 2012
at 03:42 PM

"All these people that are arm waving about how many carbs they can do are not adding anything with their n=1 successes." The same can be said of the opposite - All these people that are arm waving about how few carbs they do are not adding anything with their n=1 successes! Maybe Taubes loses people because what he says is not correct? Instead of elevated insulin driving fat storage how about fat storage driving elevated insulin? Posting to your blog is not spam, however, I hardly think that posting a link to a Jimmy Moore interview classifies as writing a blog post.

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on March 03, 2012
at 03:13 PM

Sorry, "Unless you are a sedentary person with zero physical activity or "has been or is insulin resistant with high trigs and insulin", there is no reason to give up carbs.

E0250b1e6dc5ec1539ffb745042b4d80

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on March 03, 2012
at 12:03 PM

Yes, there is. For a person that has been or is insulin resistant with high trigs and insulin, why would any sane person have them touch carbs? Under ideal conditions, some carbs are natural. See PHD.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on March 03, 2012
at 12:01 PM

VB, what are you doing on a computer! That's definitely not paleo, and I guess the keyboard is made of plastic! I do agree with you, but we can't all be perfect with a limited budget.

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on March 03, 2012
at 11:19 AM

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2011/04/beyond-bpa-could-bpa-free-products-be-just-as-unsafe/237246/

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on March 03, 2012
at 11:13 AM

There is no such thing is safe plastic. BPA free included. By the way, plastic is definitely NOT PALEO, not Neolithic. Do you know that cling wrap is not healthy either?

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on March 03, 2012
at 09:07 AM

@Lily You can contact melissa here : http://huntgatherlove.com/content/contact (though you can't contact her directly). @VB The orange plastic kettle is BPA free, so it shouldn't be that bad.

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on March 03, 2012
at 07:22 AM

Also check out: http://paleohacks.com/questions/94205/anyone-eat-more-than-150g-of-carbs-in-a-day

1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

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on March 03, 2012
at 07:21 AM

She answered this thread this week: http://paleohacks.com/questions/101738/what-are-your-favorite-and-least-favorite-things-about-the-various-carb-levels

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on March 03, 2012
at 06:32 AM

@Melissa - I was trying to contact you but it is impossible through your website, so I am going to write here in hope you will read it - do not use your orange plastic kettle. Do not heat any plastic. Do not freeze any plastic. It causes breast cancer.

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E0250b1e6dc5ec1539ffb745042b4d80

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on March 03, 2012
at 12:16 PM

The reason there is such a split between the carbs=bad and the not so bad folks, is that both are right, depending on the body's current state in terms of insulin resistance.

Taubes loses people that don't feel they are being harmed by carbs because he is not writing to them. He's addressing the issue of elevated insulin driving fat storage for the people this happens to, and that's a lot of people.

That matters more if you are insulin resistant, less if you are insulin sensitive. everyone is at one extreme or the other or somewhere in between. It's not black and white one or the other.

All these people that are arm waving about how many carbs they can do are not adding anything with their n=1 successes. Unless we know their insulin level too, we don't know anything. Some folks could have high insulin pre-Paleo, need to lower carbs while sorting that out, then they can add some back. They have improved insulin sensitivity. It's not a fixed state.

Here's a blog I wrote last month about this. I hope a spam is OK: http://dietforhumans.com/2012/02/20/the-best-explanation-of-how-low-carb-works-and-when-it-works/

6b8d12fc3e43179f9ae1765a4d1a9dc2

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on March 03, 2012
at 03:42 PM

"All these people that are arm waving about how many carbs they can do are not adding anything with their n=1 successes." The same can be said of the opposite - All these people that are arm waving about how few carbs they do are not adding anything with their n=1 successes! Maybe Taubes loses people because what he says is not correct? Instead of elevated insulin driving fat storage how about fat storage driving elevated insulin? Posting to your blog is not spam, however, I hardly think that posting a link to a Jimmy Moore interview classifies as writing a blog post.

E0250b1e6dc5ec1539ffb745042b4d80

(3651)

on March 03, 2012
at 07:18 PM

peter-Yes, I am quite familiar with the fat drives insulin resistance theory too, and for me it's just backwards. Taubes and my thyroid/hormone dr are in agreement on that. It really doesn't matter if you think the theory behind it has holes, what matters is the application of it and results. Low carb success stories are hardly n=1. That's not even an issue. We end up discussing problems because those generate questions, but a lot of folks are happy and quiet.

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6b8d12fc3e43179f9ae1765a4d1a9dc2

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on March 03, 2012
at 07:03 AM

Please read other books/blogs before getting rid of carbs. There are a lot of writers lately stating that Taubes and low carb dogma is not correct.

http://freetheanimal.com/2012/02/synthesis-low-carb-and-food-rewardpalatability-and-why-calories-count.html

In particular, read Kurt Harris' comments in the comments section.

Although not paleo (and I'm sure I will cop some shit for this) -

http://anthonycolpo.com/?p=2256

Unless you are a sedentary person with zero physical activity, there is no reason to give up carbs.

E0250b1e6dc5ec1539ffb745042b4d80

(3651)

on March 03, 2012
at 07:59 PM

All one should do to be clear is say that assuming normal health, carbs are normal too, because they are. Quite a few people are not there yet and are doing Paleo to get there. That is so they can change their minds and think, huh, I can do carbs now, maybe Paleo was a bit strict on carbs after all!

E0250b1e6dc5ec1539ffb745042b4d80

(3651)

on March 03, 2012
at 12:03 PM

Yes, there is. For a person that has been or is insulin resistant with high trigs and insulin, why would any sane person have them touch carbs? Under ideal conditions, some carbs are natural. See PHD.

6b8d12fc3e43179f9ae1765a4d1a9dc2

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on March 03, 2012
at 03:13 PM

Sorry, "Unless you are a sedentary person with zero physical activity or "has been or is insulin resistant with high trigs and insulin", there is no reason to give up carbs.

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