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Ketosis: Anyone? Anyone?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created April 24, 2012 at 11:59 PM

Ketosis.

Who's tried it? At what level? (Deep ketosis with minimal carbs, or 50g-100g?)

Has anyone tried it with IF? (Intermittent Fasting)

If you have, what are your macro levels?

Did you have any side effects? (Body odor, Thirst, Sweet Taste in Mouth, Strange Urine?)

Are you male or female?

How long did it take you to go into ketosis? How long did you stay there?

Anything else?

Oh and... how well did it work for you? Did you modify?

6bce08b072e3cea49b292658b9d5d197

(1144)

on August 16, 2012
at 04:58 PM

You are probaly ketone adapted, so your body isn't expelling ketone bodies, but efficiently using them for fuel. Good job!!! http://www.jbprimal.com

8c75fd947f7cece22c0770fa80549cbe

(222)

on June 02, 2012
at 09:15 PM

Electrolytes are magic for carb flu. Any tips for beginners?

8c75fd947f7cece22c0770fa80549cbe

(222)

on June 02, 2012
at 09:13 PM

Awesome! I've never suffered from diabetes (except obesity, which I consider prediabetes), but for some reason I find it so inspiring when someone controls their diabetes as you have. Good on you!

8c75fd947f7cece22c0770fa80549cbe

(222)

on June 02, 2012
at 09:10 PM

This is similar to my routine and I can say that it has worked very well in eliminating excess body fat for me. 28y/o male.

Dfe1dfb34939145fe21b3d8fa6832365

(657)

on June 02, 2012
at 02:22 PM

Wow, Joshua, you have basically the same eating style as me. You even break the fast at the same time that I usually do.

246ebf68e35743f62e5e187891b9cba0

(21430)

on April 25, 2012
at 12:16 AM

Oh, and BO went from musty, normal-smelling, to almost vinegar like for those first 3 days, but that subsides as well... in fact I would say once well adjusted to ketosis my BO has no significant smell at all... and considerably less salty (I don't get the black-shirt crusts anymore).

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246ebf68e35743f62e5e187891b9cba0

(21430)

on April 25, 2012
at 12:09 AM

I've done every version of ketosis that I can imagine. I am a male.

Deep ketosis for me is - Intermittent fasting OMAD-style (One Meal A Day), breaking fast in the early evening (4pm) with about a pound of meat (nothing bbq or heavily seasoned to simplify digestion), green leafy veggies (kale/collards) cooked in bacon fat, broth to drink for nutrients, and enough added fat through coconut oil to get me to about 200 calories shy of maintenance. I usually supplement with ZMA at night and k2 in the morning as well.

Breath and urine changed within a day, sweet stinky breath, strong smell to urine, urgency when going to the bathroom (may also be related to being very thirsty when eating this way).

Within 3 days, all those things subsided. Same with carb flu, literally waking up an hour earlier than my alarm clock with an impulse to clean the house or run around the block.

It worked exceptionally well for me, for about 3 weeks then weightloss slowed down. I use it now to get into ketosis faster than just classic low-carb.

I now perform this protocol intermittently for about 2 weeks at a time, or whenever I feel like I need a kick in the pants for fatloss. It is the fastest way I've been able to drop non-functional weight... and I don't end up sick as hell afterwards like I did with a PSMF/CKD combo (my previous attempt at losing weight rapidly, worked well but completely destroyed my gut health).

I would say I'm in ketosis 3 weeks out of each month. Every time I hit a plateau I "recharge" by a couple days of moderate carbs, then I get back on the wagon with the above protocol... after kickstarted, I just eat 2-3 meals a day, focusing on larger breakfasts and smaller dinners (because I loves me some big breakfasts).

246ebf68e35743f62e5e187891b9cba0

(21430)

on April 25, 2012
at 12:16 AM

Oh, and BO went from musty, normal-smelling, to almost vinegar like for those first 3 days, but that subsides as well... in fact I would say once well adjusted to ketosis my BO has no significant smell at all... and considerably less salty (I don't get the black-shirt crusts anymore).

8c75fd947f7cece22c0770fa80549cbe

(222)

on June 02, 2012
at 09:10 PM

This is similar to my routine and I can say that it has worked very well in eliminating excess body fat for me. 28y/o male.

Dfe1dfb34939145fe21b3d8fa6832365

(657)

on June 02, 2012
at 02:22 PM

Wow, Joshua, you have basically the same eating style as me. You even break the fast at the same time that I usually do.

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(11488)

on June 02, 2012
at 03:27 PM

I'm a T2 diabetic who uses ketosis to control my blood glucose. I never eat more than 20g of carb a day, and some days I don't eat any. It has worked well for me, my last HbA1c test (a kind of 3 month average BG score) came in at 4.5% which is less than most non-diabetics (and down from 10.6% just over a year ago). It's also helped me to lose 65lbs and feel healthier, happier and fitter than ever before. As far as I'm concerned my diabetes is "cured".

I run 15 to 20 miles a week without any ill effect. I'm training for a half-marathon now, but my eventual aim is to run a zero carb marathon.

Typically eat 2% Carb, 18% Protein, 80% Fat. I "juice" my ketone production with regular glugs of MCT oil. The only challenge is getting enough calories and not eating too much protein (which can easily blow you out of ketosis). I test my blood ketones every day to make sure I'm on track.

My sweat and urine smell like tramps piss, but it's a small price to pay for curing the old diabetes.

8c75fd947f7cece22c0770fa80549cbe

(222)

on June 02, 2012
at 09:13 PM

Awesome! I've never suffered from diabetes (except obesity, which I consider prediabetes), but for some reason I find it so inspiring when someone controls their diabetes as you have. Good on you!

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Ddfdaa75ac9f47e01fc71162dd0d38dc

on June 02, 2012
at 03:44 PM

I have the ketone meter & am nearly always at 1.8. I eat 40 total carbs a day, 75% fat, 20% protein, 5% carb. 1650-1700 cals. I lift. Last week I leg pressed 320. I never had the flu because I took care of the electrolytes from day 1. I never smelled weird either. None of that is necessary at all if you start correctly. My boss constantly asks me where I get my constant energy and optimism from. Yes, he's a vegan, he's slender but always exhausted. (smirk)

8c75fd947f7cece22c0770fa80549cbe

(222)

on June 02, 2012
at 09:15 PM

Electrolytes are magic for carb flu. Any tips for beginners?

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 25, 2012
at 12:08 AM

Male.

I've been in deep Ketosis (0 carb), VLC, LC etc...

I've been everywhere from 30% fat to 70% fat.

At 50g a day I am sure I was in ketosis overnight and not during the day. This level had no side effects.

At 0 carb I would have strong smelling urine, no BO, breath that smelled like nail-polisher remover and did seem to drink more water and tea.

IF doesn't work for me. I don't consider it IF if you drink a quart of cream for breakfast. I can do just coffee and cream for breakfast and be fine until 2pm but if I don't have that I start having adrenaline rushes. Not comfy.

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A374b415cc796e1c154314a5b75a766b

on August 16, 2012
at 05:45 AM

I'm like 65% fat, 30% protein, 5% or less in carbs. Usually I'm at 10g of carbs or less a day. Today I was at 20g, but the ketostix still registered small to moderate ketones. Strange thing is, no smelly breath, no body odor, no smelly urine. Maybe I'm just lucky.

6bce08b072e3cea49b292658b9d5d197

(1144)

on August 16, 2012
at 04:58 PM

You are probaly ketone adapted, so your body isn't expelling ketone bodies, but efficiently using them for fuel. Good job!!! http://www.jbprimal.com

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7e1433afbb06c318c4d90860d493c49d

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on June 02, 2012
at 04:14 PM

I tried going VLC a couple times... couldn't get past the brain-splitting headaches. At the time, I was trying to lose weight, and that's when I discovered how well calorie counting works.

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94480caec9fbbaacc386d86a45efa720

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on June 02, 2012
at 01:34 PM

I've been on a 50 to 100g carbs keto for a couple of months (April and May of 2012). Even before that I'd keep my carb level at 200g or lower; I was gradually losing weight on that. I've dropped over 10 lbs over the two month keto. I'm 47 years old, a 5'5" female and am now 142 lbs. I don't watch my macro levels much. I eat animal protein 2 to 3 meals a day (sometimes I only really eat 2 meals a day - say, 10am and 6pm - so that could be eggs and a meat). I use fat when I cook or dress veggies always: evoo, butter, lard, safflower mayo or homemade mayo, whatever... I eat probably what's considered 5 servings of veggies a day by USDA standards - one meal a day has lots of leafy greens like kale, mustard greens, collards, huge baby green salad. One or 2 servings of fruit - an orange and some berries, or a kiwi. On a 2 meal day, I might have a small amount of nuts or a nut and dried fruit trail mix to get me thru a low point but verrrry small in these last 2 months, or some bone broth with some veggie.

I did 2 - 36 hour fasts in April of 12, only taking in my usual green tea, homemade gatorade lightly sweetened with "steviva" brand stevia and erythritol, vitamin D, and a sheet of seaweed for the iodine (something I've probably been short on for a long time.) I've been doing low-carb paleo for a couple years so I can't say how long it took to get into ketosis - my body handles the fasts very easily which is amazing; I could never fast when doing a grain loaded diet. My urine can be "off" smelling but generally I'm keeping so well hydrated that it's not an issue. I haven't noticed changes in BO or sweet breath though now that we're talking, I think my BO has been reduced.

In May I only did 24 hour fasts. So by standard-think I would not eat breakfast or lunch and then I eat a dinner 24 hours after the last and make it only 15% to 30% of my usual daily calorie consumption. It's still easy, it still kicks some weight off.

With either type of IF, my large intestine does not adjust well. That's why I'm here at paleohacks, to ask around about this. I tend to have some diarrhea after I start eating again. This may be specific to me being a recovered (recovering?) celiac and some complications from a perforated colon a couple years ago... I'm not sure. If I do a very high fat keto I also get the D. It's not too inconvenient though and I make sure I stay hydrated during the fast and the day after so it does not hamper my activities. I'm just a little concerned about my guts lack of resilience. :/

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