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If you couldn't eat meat for 24 hours, would you accept a bowl of spaghetti?

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Created September 29, 2010 at 1:52 AM

I'm going out of town for a bit, and this situation may come up at some point. Assuming I don't stock up on jerky beforehand, the carbs vs not-eating decision will be interesting to handle. I do fine with wheat, but cheating begets more cheating. Have you had this type of situation? How have you handled it?

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on December 30, 2011
at 06:54 PM

While you might not enjoy it, if you are keto-capable (not carb addicted), you can do this no sweat. Heck, you can fast for 3 days or even a week if you had to, why would you break the fast with pasta of all things? Hell no. Break it with a steak.

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on December 30, 2011
at 06:17 PM

De Vany knows his stuff. I wouldn't sweat the paid bit. The dude's gotta eat too.

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on December 30, 2011
at 05:39 PM

*"Glutinous" rice does not contain gluten, by the way, in case that was your thinking. :)

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on December 30, 2011
at 05:39 PM

Arborio rice is gluten-free, and unless there's some processing facilities that cross-contaminate you're golden. I've never, ever gotten sick from risotto.

4d6aa1a676240b15dc569ff8ade0500f

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on December 30, 2011
at 05:09 PM

unless it has something to do with cross-contamination?

4d6aa1a676240b15dc569ff8ade0500f

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on December 30, 2011
at 05:09 PM

i don't think rice has gluten...

Af005ec9a8e028f2b04bf5367b64e0d6

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on December 30, 2011
at 04:58 PM

Risotto has gluten in it?

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on September 30, 2010
at 07:36 AM

I trust nothing from paid blogs :) On the other hand, I trust all research indicating damage from gliadin and friends, but I also know full well the difference between acute and chronic damage. Reading the articles that paleo sites cite with regards to wheat is much more telling than just the bits that are pulled out.

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on September 30, 2010
at 04:22 AM

I don't find it addictive anymore. I find it repulsive and will never touch it again. But back in my low fat conventional wisdom days I would eat a bowl of wheat cereal and a couple of whole wheat bagels and then go back to eat more bagels like it was heroine. Perhaps the more wheat damages you the worse the addictive effects are. That would be a perfect storm of neolithic destruction.

62ed65f3596aa2f62fa1d58a0c09f8c3

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on September 30, 2010
at 03:25 AM

I personally don't find wheat that addictive. I don't miss it much and I don't think about it much. I find rice noodles just as tasty as wheat noodles. But sugar on the other hand, now that really is an addiction and one I have to be careful not to feed.

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on September 29, 2010
at 11:43 PM

I read that arborio rice (for risotto) was gluten-free: http://www.ehow.com/about_4572242_is-risotto-glutenfree.html

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on September 29, 2010
at 09:07 PM

Yes I don't think that it is equivalent to doing drugs, but it is clearly addictive. It also triggers the orgasm hormone. So it my ex lover. :D

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on September 29, 2010
at 07:52 PM

Yeah, that's why I don't eat grains more than once in a blue moon. But the "grain opioid" thing is probably quite overblown. Plant-derived anti-nociceptive activity is typically way below that needed to get a noticable effect. From my n=1 experience, eating wheat versus not eating wheat had no effect on pain or euphoria while on different levels of opioids (ranging from nothing to codein to vicodin to oxycontin). Don't fall into the trap of extropolating on pro-paleo evidence!

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on September 29, 2010
at 07:12 PM

This is lucky that you don't get the extreme stomach pain. Regardless of ancestry is is terrible for you since there is no genetic adaptation to WGA, or gliadin, only gluten as a whole. It makes you feel good because it is literally a drug http://drbganimalpharm.blogspot.com/2008/05/wheat-would-you-give-your-kids-crack.html

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on September 29, 2010
at 05:32 PM

Luckily (unluckily?) wheat makes me feel like a million dollars. But my Indian ancestors probably ate a lot more wheat than yours, I'm guessing. On the other hand, lactose feels like a dirty bomb going off in my intestines. Actually, that is literally true.

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on September 29, 2010
at 04:35 PM

Stephen, yes it's about my peace of mind more than balancing the omegas, but helping the inflammatory response is nice, too. Eva, I thought about it and have done that in the past with bread and pasta (It's pretty time consuming picking through lasagna,) but the middlings were pretty slim and I am almost always paleo complient, so I didn't stress the bread this once.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on September 29, 2010
at 01:30 PM

Hi Mark and pieter d: I do not feel that grains are neutral, nor do I eat grains--I was simply correcting what appeared to be factual errors. The percent with the gene is 0.4% not 0.04%, and the literature on villous damage is more complicated than that single number. The original question was asked because I use paleo as a paradigm and not a law, so I was wondering how other people approach these real-life situations and why. As stated above, I'll typically fast or eat beef sticks, and very occasionally sample the food.

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on September 29, 2010
at 12:40 PM

If it's not formal and etiquette is not a big deal, I'll typically just eat the middlings of the sandwich and skip the bread, and if it's not too much of an exageration, I'll make some comment about how delicious it is, so the host feels better. I can also just say "Wheat gives me problems" which sounds better than 'I'm a picky eater!" I don't have any apparent allergy to wheat so keeping it vague allows me to keep it honest. But if there truly was NO meat around, it would be hard because I don't like veggies much.

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on September 29, 2010
at 12:06 PM

Agree with Marks comment. Why ask questions if you already know your answer?

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on September 29, 2010
at 11:52 AM

@Kamal: Most of us feel that cereal grains are not simply health-neutral, but actually unhealthy. From the above discussion, you obviously do not feel that way. So why ask the question? Just go eat your metaphorical spaghetti.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

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on September 29, 2010
at 09:12 AM

@Tim sorry about cluttering your answer.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

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on September 29, 2010
at 09:11 AM

This is what I do if I have friends that won't eat meat and want more than just green veg

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

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on September 29, 2010
at 09:09 AM

Fish oil balances omega6 not wheat. Tho it likely helps with some of the inflammatory response

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

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on September 29, 2010
at 09:08 AM

Sorry .4 yes, it was late, justify whatever you like, small amounts can open up your gut, and while chronic disease isn't as likely the risk of something getting thru and setting off an autoimmune response creating a new food allergy or worse means I won't participate on purpose, half a teaspoon. It's so easy to simply have rice noodles which taste almost the same rather than attempt to justify eating gluten because the risk is low...Not everyone that visits this site is as well read As You or I, I want to make it clear that it is a risk. An unnecessary one

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

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at 09:02 AM

Payam commented that his workout protected his guilt.. You have to presume carb guilt because gut and workouts aren't relative...

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on September 29, 2010
at 05:49 AM

Also, to clear up the math around your quote: "sure there are grain eating centenarians, are you willing to gamble on 0.04%? me, I'm not bad at math." It's not just that there ARE grain eating centarians, it's that most non-Japanese centarians ate wheat! And 0.04% is the chance of you having a particular gene; it is not the gamble on a bowl of spaghetti, or even 10 bowls spread out over the course of a year. The chance of that "dose" of spaghetti damaging your villi enough to cause chronic damage would be interesting to see, but is likely much smaller than you are pegging.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on September 29, 2010
at 05:27 AM

Depending on the person, it could be about carbs. Like someone who may spiral out of control after partaking of pasta, and gain a bunch of weight.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on September 29, 2010
at 04:50 AM

And while I would typically fast, I am 100% okay gambling on a rare but delicious bowl of spaghetti or having a very occasional beer (which also dissolves DHA in my brain cells in addition to destroying my villi). The reason is that humans are quite adaptable to small amounts of not-optimal substances, and I'm human.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on September 29, 2010
at 04:42 AM

I can't believe I'm arguing on behalf of wheat, but your argument is a little too simplistic to slide. Did you happen to read the research done by Dr. Fine, from who Stephen Guyenet quoted the statistic (which is 0.4%, not 0.04%, by the way)? 0.4% refers to a gene that is not associated with gluten problems. It is not a direct indicator of villous damage, and the picture is much more complex than repeatedly citing that number. Not only does gluten sensitive enteropathy vary widely by ethnicity, there's a ton of ways to measure possible damage/sensitivity. Pubmed abounds with evidence!

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

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on September 29, 2010
at 04:12 AM

Workouts don't protect your gut, it's not about carbs

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

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on September 29, 2010
at 04:10 AM

Cordain also said canola is ok, saturated is to be limited and other things we've found to be non optimal. He's by no means the last word... Not even a highly reliable one in my book. I do like that he's coming back, admitting error and updating however.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

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on September 29, 2010
at 04:08 AM

Affected by gluten, not by humans, sorry it's late and I'm tired.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

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on September 29, 2010
at 04:07 AM

Half a teaspoon of wheat. Alot more than that in your standard portion of spaghetti.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

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on September 29, 2010
at 04:06 AM

Perhaps you need to read more, we do know what gluten does to most people... It's your health, if you want to eat it, enjoy. I want to live longer, fasting would let me avoid the poison and has other benefits. But 99.6% of humans are affected by humans, sure there are grain eating centenarians, are you willing to gamble on 0.04%? me, I'm not bad at math.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on September 29, 2010
at 04:05 AM

Comparing a a bowl of spaghetti to a half-pack of cigarettes is like comparing onion rings to cocaine. Neither comparison is sensible--the dose makes the poison, and that's why spaghetti is not poisonous at typical doses. For example, Loren Cordain preaches against grains. He also writes "Cereal grains obviously can be included in moderate amounts in the diets of most people without any noticeable, deleterious health effects, and herein lies their strength."

62ed65f3596aa2f62fa1d58a0c09f8c3

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on September 29, 2010
at 03:53 AM

The dangers of cigarettes are much better understood than the dangers of a bowl of spaghetti. I don't think they quite compare. We just don't know exactly happens with gluten in most people.

0d2dec01a5ed9363a9915e111ae13f7e

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on September 29, 2010
at 03:48 AM

A half pack of cigarettes isn't so bad for many people either. It's about weighing your understanding and knowledge about any particular food, and your own understanding of your health. As you phrased the question, I'd take the fast every time (hell, I sleep 9 or 10 out of every 24 hours anyway, so it's not like it hard).

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on September 29, 2010
at 03:13 AM

usually when I know I will be in such a situation, I just do a monster workout the day before, and dont eat much after.. i dont feel as guilty eating spaghetti the next day

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on September 29, 2010
at 02:40 AM

Dude, do you really think eating a bowl of spaghetti is poisoning yourself? Especially if you have never felt acute effects from gluten before? I like to fast because it makes me feel badass, but one bowl of spaghetti isn't so bad for many people.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

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on September 29, 2010
at 02:32 AM

Agreed , fasting 24 hours is easy compared to poisoning myself. I do it on purpose from time to time

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on September 29, 2010
at 02:15 AM

Wow, what an applicable answer!

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on September 29, 2010
at 02:11 AM

Mmm polenta...I love that stuff.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on September 29, 2010
at 02:08 AM

The larger issue is that I have quite a few vegan friends, and some members of my family only eat spicy vegetarian fare. Thus far I've tried a few options: eaten some beef sticks beforehand, fasted a while, sampled the nonpaleo fare. Each has been okay, but I'm curious how other people handle these situations.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on September 29, 2010
at 02:06 AM

"Spaghetti" here is a metaphor for non-paleo foods :)

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at 01:57 AM

Is spaghetti the only option...?

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0d2dec01a5ed9363a9915e111ae13f7e

on September 29, 2010
at 02:27 AM

I would fast the 24hours. Just answering the question to it's literal phrasing. Typically it is easy enough to find Paleo-acceptable foods in a social situation, just skip grains, veggie/seed oils and refined sugars. In my view,Paleo is NOT about carb avoidance, cut about avoiding those bad agents above.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on September 29, 2010
at 02:40 AM

Dude, do you really think eating a bowl of spaghetti is poisoning yourself? Especially if you have never felt acute effects from gluten before? I like to fast because it makes me feel badass, but one bowl of spaghetti isn't so bad for many people.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on September 29, 2010
at 05:49 AM

Also, to clear up the math around your quote: "sure there are grain eating centenarians, are you willing to gamble on 0.04%? me, I'm not bad at math." It's not just that there ARE grain eating centarians, it's that most non-Japanese centarians ate wheat! And 0.04% is the chance of you having a particular gene; it is not the gamble on a bowl of spaghetti, or even 10 bowls spread out over the course of a year. The chance of that "dose" of spaghetti damaging your villi enough to cause chronic damage would be interesting to see, but is likely much smaller than you are pegging.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on September 29, 2010
at 04:50 AM

And while I would typically fast, I am 100% okay gambling on a rare but delicious bowl of spaghetti or having a very occasional beer (which also dissolves DHA in my brain cells in addition to destroying my villi). The reason is that humans are quite adaptable to small amounts of not-optimal substances, and I'm human.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22913)

on September 29, 2010
at 04:06 AM

Perhaps you need to read more, we do know what gluten does to most people... It's your health, if you want to eat it, enjoy. I want to live longer, fasting would let me avoid the poison and has other benefits. But 99.6% of humans are affected by humans, sure there are grain eating centenarians, are you willing to gamble on 0.04%? me, I'm not bad at math.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on September 29, 2010
at 04:05 AM

Comparing a a bowl of spaghetti to a half-pack of cigarettes is like comparing onion rings to cocaine. Neither comparison is sensible--the dose makes the poison, and that's why spaghetti is not poisonous at typical doses. For example, Loren Cordain preaches against grains. He also writes "Cereal grains obviously can be included in moderate amounts in the diets of most people without any noticeable, deleterious health effects, and herein lies their strength."

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on September 29, 2010
at 01:30 PM

Hi Mark and pieter d: I do not feel that grains are neutral, nor do I eat grains--I was simply correcting what appeared to be factual errors. The percent with the gene is 0.4% not 0.04%, and the literature on villous damage is more complicated than that single number. The original question was asked because I use paleo as a paradigm and not a law, so I was wondering how other people approach these real-life situations and why. As stated above, I'll typically fast or eat beef sticks, and very occasionally sample the food.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on September 29, 2010
at 04:42 AM

I can't believe I'm arguing on behalf of wheat, but your argument is a little too simplistic to slide. Did you happen to read the research done by Dr. Fine, from who Stephen Guyenet quoted the statistic (which is 0.4%, not 0.04%, by the way)? 0.4% refers to a gene that is not associated with gluten problems. It is not a direct indicator of villous damage, and the picture is much more complex than repeatedly citing that number. Not only does gluten sensitive enteropathy vary widely by ethnicity, there's a ton of ways to measure possible damage/sensitivity. Pubmed abounds with evidence!

89e238284ccb95b439edcff9e123671e

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on September 29, 2010
at 12:06 PM

Agree with Marks comment. Why ask questions if you already know your answer?

62ed65f3596aa2f62fa1d58a0c09f8c3

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on September 29, 2010
at 03:53 AM

The dangers of cigarettes are much better understood than the dangers of a bowl of spaghetti. I don't think they quite compare. We just don't know exactly happens with gluten in most people.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

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on September 29, 2010
at 09:12 AM

@Tim sorry about cluttering your answer.

6fa48935d439390e223b9a053a62c981

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on September 29, 2010
at 11:52 AM

@Kamal: Most of us feel that cereal grains are not simply health-neutral, but actually unhealthy. From the above discussion, you obviously do not feel that way. So why ask the question? Just go eat your metaphorical spaghetti.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22913)

on September 29, 2010
at 09:08 AM

Sorry .4 yes, it was late, justify whatever you like, small amounts can open up your gut, and while chronic disease isn't as likely the risk of something getting thru and setting off an autoimmune response creating a new food allergy or worse means I won't participate on purpose, half a teaspoon. It's so easy to simply have rice noodles which taste almost the same rather than attempt to justify eating gluten because the risk is low...Not everyone that visits this site is as well read As You or I, I want to make it clear that it is a risk. An unnecessary one

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22913)

on September 29, 2010
at 02:32 AM

Agreed , fasting 24 hours is easy compared to poisoning myself. I do it on purpose from time to time

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

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on September 29, 2010
at 04:08 AM

Affected by gluten, not by humans, sorry it's late and I'm tired.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

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on September 29, 2010
at 04:07 AM

Half a teaspoon of wheat. Alot more than that in your standard portion of spaghetti.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

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on September 29, 2010
at 04:10 AM

Cordain also said canola is ok, saturated is to be limited and other things we've found to be non optimal. He's by no means the last word... Not even a highly reliable one in my book. I do like that he's coming back, admitting error and updating however.

0d2dec01a5ed9363a9915e111ae13f7e

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on September 29, 2010
at 03:48 AM

A half pack of cigarettes isn't so bad for many people either. It's about weighing your understanding and knowledge about any particular food, and your own understanding of your health. As you phrased the question, I'd take the fast every time (hell, I sleep 9 or 10 out of every 24 hours anyway, so it's not like it hard).

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on September 29, 2010
at 03:56 AM

I'd probably just try to stick with rice and potatoes as the starches. I do the same when cooking for others. I don't want to feed them super unhealthy things, but most nonpaleos are not satisfied without some starch. So fried rice and a baked potato with butter is my way of walking the middle road. But if they want margarine, they'll have to bring their own cuz that stuff's gross!

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

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at 09:11 AM

This is what I do if I have friends that won't eat meat and want more than just green veg

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on September 29, 2010
at 02:00 AM

Yes! While I lived in Italy this past summer, I very rarely had the opportunity to choose what I ate for dinner. The family I lived with knew I was "allergic" to wheat, thank goodness, but they still made foods such as polenta, green peas, potatoes, etc. And risotto, despite it still containing gluten, and also processed meats. At first it made me feel incredibly guilty, and I was worried about any negative effects I would feel, but after a few weeks of having these occasional dinners, and not suffering any noticeable side effects other than increased appetite, I accepted their place in my life. Especially since I knew that it was for a very specific time period. If I were you, I would first try and have just the sauce. And if that's impossible, then include just a little bit of the pasta. I started out having very small high carb dinners, and then let myself have larger ones later on as I adjusted to having them in my life.
Also, if I felt that my blood sugar was spiking too high, I would then go munch on some almonds that I kept stashed in my room. I don't know if you have the ability to supplement with other foods, but I found this to be quite helpful, too.

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at 11:43 PM

I read that arborio rice (for risotto) was gluten-free: http://www.ehow.com/about_4572242_is-risotto-glutenfree.html

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on September 29, 2010
at 02:11 AM

Mmm polenta...I love that stuff.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on September 29, 2010
at 02:15 AM

Wow, what an applicable answer!

Af005ec9a8e028f2b04bf5367b64e0d6

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on December 30, 2011
at 04:58 PM

Risotto has gluten in it?

E36cb992cf0a5eba8b97a359c15f38b3

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on December 30, 2011
at 05:39 PM

*"Glutinous" rice does not contain gluten, by the way, in case that was your thinking. :)

4d6aa1a676240b15dc569ff8ade0500f

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on December 30, 2011
at 05:09 PM

i don't think rice has gluten...

E36cb992cf0a5eba8b97a359c15f38b3

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on December 30, 2011
at 05:39 PM

Arborio rice is gluten-free, and unless there's some processing facilities that cross-contaminate you're golden. I've never, ever gotten sick from risotto.

4d6aa1a676240b15dc569ff8ade0500f

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on December 30, 2011
at 05:09 PM

unless it has something to do with cross-contamination?

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on September 29, 2010
at 04:25 PM

My mother-in-law served us pasta just last week (she knows i don't typically eat it, but she is 73 and forgot i guess) and I ate it without complaint, hesitation or regret.

This is easy for me to say, as I have no symptoms when I eat wheat. I just choose to avoid it because of what I believe it will do to me long-term.

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on September 29, 2010
at 05:17 PM

Forget that! Fasting is good for you. Wheatfeels like somebody trying to shave the micro villi in my GI tract.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on September 29, 2010
at 07:52 PM

Yeah, that's why I don't eat grains more than once in a blue moon. But the "grain opioid" thing is probably quite overblown. Plant-derived anti-nociceptive activity is typically way below that needed to get a noticable effect. From my n=1 experience, eating wheat versus not eating wheat had no effect on pain or euphoria while on different levels of opioids (ranging from nothing to codein to vicodin to oxycontin). Don't fall into the trap of extropolating on pro-paleo evidence!

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on September 29, 2010
at 07:12 PM

This is lucky that you don't get the extreme stomach pain. Regardless of ancestry is is terrible for you since there is no genetic adaptation to WGA, or gliadin, only gluten as a whole. It makes you feel good because it is literally a drug http://drbganimalpharm.blogspot.com/2008/05/wheat-would-you-give-your-kids-crack.html

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on September 29, 2010
at 05:32 PM

Luckily (unluckily?) wheat makes me feel like a million dollars. But my Indian ancestors probably ate a lot more wheat than yours, I'm guessing. On the other hand, lactose feels like a dirty bomb going off in my intestines. Actually, that is literally true.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on September 29, 2010
at 09:07 PM

Yes I don't think that it is equivalent to doing drugs, but it is clearly addictive. It also triggers the orgasm hormone. So it my ex lover. :D

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on September 30, 2010
at 03:25 AM

I personally don't find wheat that addictive. I don't miss it much and I don't think about it much. I find rice noodles just as tasty as wheat noodles. But sugar on the other hand, now that really is an addiction and one I have to be careful not to feed.

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on September 30, 2010
at 04:22 AM

I don't find it addictive anymore. I find it repulsive and will never touch it again. But back in my low fat conventional wisdom days I would eat a bowl of wheat cereal and a couple of whole wheat bagels and then go back to eat more bagels like it was heroine. Perhaps the more wheat damages you the worse the addictive effects are. That would be a perfect storm of neolithic destruction.

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on September 29, 2010
at 03:54 PM

I would say that if you are already healthy, then eating the spaghetti on this one occasion wouldn't hurt you irrevocably. If you are still having health problems, or if you have a severe reaction to wheat, it could really set you back. If you already eat VLC, fasting is easy, so it wouldn't be as big a deal as eating the pasta.

On the other hand, it could also be a learning experience. Finding out if you have an immediate response to such a meal could be very enlightening.

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on December 30, 2011
at 05:12 PM

I'm down with fasting for 24 hours if hanging out at home, but not while out of town with friends who are feasting in front of me.

Like you, I am not sensitive to wheat. I don't think it's very healthy, but I don't have any problems with the occasional wheat intake and in fact I do partake sometimes in situations less "desperate" than the one you describe. I guess I hew to that whole 80/20 thing.

So I -- again, no sensitivities to wheat -- would do it. Obviously that answer would be different if I had an allergy to wheat as so many people seem to have.

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on September 30, 2010
at 12:59 AM

24 hours is nothing, I don't even get why you would ask this question :)

De Vany just posted on his blog reviewing a study on ketosis showing 30 hours could potentially be the possible sweet spot for fasting in an evolutionary inspired diet.

And Kamal, I would do more reading on wheat and gluten. You might feel fine, but damage is being done regardless.

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on September 30, 2010
at 07:36 AM

I trust nothing from paid blogs :) On the other hand, I trust all research indicating damage from gliadin and friends, but I also know full well the difference between acute and chronic damage. Reading the articles that paleo sites cite with regards to wheat is much more telling than just the bits that are pulled out.

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on December 30, 2011
at 06:54 PM

While you might not enjoy it, if you are keto-capable (not carb addicted), you can do this no sweat. Heck, you can fast for 3 days or even a week if you had to, why would you break the fast with pasta of all things? Hell no. Break it with a steak.

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on December 30, 2011
at 06:17 PM

De Vany knows his stuff. I wouldn't sweat the paid bit. The dude's gotta eat too.

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on September 29, 2010
at 05:19 AM

Last night I worked at a function and dinner was provided - Sub sandwiches. Yes, I partook. Usually when I cheat, I take a little extra fish oil then make sure I eat clean the next day. It's a very conscious decision. If I don't make a point of it, I tend to go spiraling down the road of too many bad carbs.

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on September 29, 2010
at 09:09 AM

Fish oil balances omega6 not wheat. Tho it likely helps with some of the inflammatory response

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on September 29, 2010
at 04:35 PM

Stephen, yes it's about my peace of mind more than balancing the omegas, but helping the inflammatory response is nice, too. Eva, I thought about it and have done that in the past with bread and pasta (It's pretty time consuming picking through lasagna,) but the middlings were pretty slim and I am almost always paleo complient, so I didn't stress the bread this once.

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on September 29, 2010
at 12:40 PM

If it's not formal and etiquette is not a big deal, I'll typically just eat the middlings of the sandwich and skip the bread, and if it's not too much of an exageration, I'll make some comment about how delicious it is, so the host feels better. I can also just say "Wheat gives me problems" which sounds better than 'I'm a picky eater!" I don't have any apparent allergy to wheat so keeping it vague allows me to keep it honest. But if there truly was NO meat around, it would be hard because I don't like veggies much.

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on September 29, 2010
at 02:23 AM

Although difficult I would use the situation as an opportunity for a fast. Or if the option is available eat the meatballs only with a small amount of the tomato sauce. Also, if salad is served with the spaghetti then I would definately do that too. The option of bringing along beef sticks or some Jerky are great options as well.

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on December 30, 2011
at 06:20 PM

It's a perfect opportunity to fast. :) If you can't find anything acceptable, which I doubt, just fast.

I mean, seriously, there's Diners everywhere, how hard is it to order a plate of fried eggs and bacon. Sure, it's not going to be pastured eggs or uncured bacon, but it's a lot less damaging than spaghetti. Or corned beef and cabbage for that matter.

It's not that hard.

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on December 30, 2011
at 05:51 PM

Since I AM sensitive to wheat, the spaghetti wouldn't be an option but I do fine with just vegetables and fruits on a given day if I can get them. And if the dish included rice or corn with the veggies I wouldn't lose sleep over that either. I'd probably have a meat-only day when I got home.

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on December 30, 2011
at 04:53 PM

i buy a bag of bananas chips fried in coconut oil. seems evey town now has a wal-mart so they are not hard to find while traveling. think of them as paleo junk food.LOL it least they dont give me arthritis.

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