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If carbs are such a concern, why allow potatoes, plantains, etc?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created January 03, 2013 at 8:35 PM

Won't carbs generally have the same effect on insulin which stimulates weight gain?

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on January 04, 2013
at 11:22 PM

Wisper and Jake, just because this doesn't apply to you, doesn't make it untrue

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on January 04, 2013
at 08:13 PM

Sam, the Irish were notoriously healthy while eating 87% of their calories from potatoes. This is a carb source that was introduced from America, not one that they "evolved" to eat. Also many studies have shown that, over time, low carb diets can lead to low T3.

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on January 04, 2013
at 05:14 PM

I find the debate gets quite a bit more interesting when you look at health and longevity rather than stipulating that we are only looking at weight gain or loss.

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on January 04, 2013
at 04:24 PM

@Lariaz: I lose more weight around 100g of carbs each day, but cannot control my glucose levels. It's a double-edged sword for people like me. If you have stalled out, up your intake and see how it goes.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

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on January 04, 2013
at 09:52 AM

You're claiming there's "no evidence" that eating "right" carbs is fine for healthy people, which is patently and demonstrably false. It's actually so ridiculous, I can't believe I'm even responding to this question in a serious manner.

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on January 04, 2013
at 03:54 AM

Peeps, if you're going to down vote an answer have the decency to explain why.

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on January 04, 2013
at 02:20 AM

I've been coming to the same conclusion lately! Is Mark Sisson's 50-100g based solely on keeping the dieter in ketosis, or is there something more? I eat too much protein to keep myself in ketosis, so I've been thinking that upping my carbs probably wouldn't have too big an effect on me, for better or worse.

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on January 04, 2013
at 02:01 AM

@Wisper: That's not evidence that a Western European will have the same result. In any case, there are a multitude of differences besides diet between those societies and the one we live in, any one, or several, or all of which could affect their health.

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on January 04, 2013
at 01:47 AM

completely untrue, and yet it seems to be repeated so often here, it's gospel. you can lose weight with any proportion of carbs in your diet. annoying that this crap persists (i'm looking at you, mark sisson).

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

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on January 04, 2013
at 12:47 AM

Plenty of evidence in societies with high-carb diets that such diet by itself is not inherently bad.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

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on January 04, 2013
at 12:45 AM

Nonsense. I've been losing consistently and for extended periods while on 150-200g of carbs per day, much of it from sugars on training days.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

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on January 04, 2013
at 12:43 AM

BUT DOES IT COME WITH ELECTROLYTES?

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

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on January 04, 2013
at 12:42 AM

Repeat after me: paleo is not low carb. This myth must die already. It can be low carb, but is not so by design.

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on January 03, 2013
at 10:13 PM

:-) Heehee! (Need...more...characters)

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on January 03, 2013
at 10:03 PM

Very well said. I'll have one of each, to keep my nutrition up.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

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on January 03, 2013
at 09:25 PM

Borofergie, you don't know the half of it! =)

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

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on January 03, 2013
at 09:24 PM

+1 for the rectangle/square reference. This math teacher loves you!

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

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on January 03, 2013
at 09:24 PM

Mmmmmm...chemicals!

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on January 03, 2013
at 09:19 PM

+1 for being deranged.

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on January 03, 2013
at 08:47 PM

unless you are doing the potato diet!

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61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

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on January 03, 2013
at 08:38 PM

Carbs are only a concern for those (like me) that are metabolically deranged. If you are healthy and can properly process carbs, there is no reason to avoid them. Some gain weight on carbs, others thrive. It must be evaluated on a case-by-case basis.

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on January 03, 2013
at 09:19 PM

+1 for being deranged.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

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on January 03, 2013
at 09:25 PM

Borofergie, you don't know the half of it! =)

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3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on January 03, 2013
at 08:47 PM

Carbs are not a concern for most people. It's everything else that is included with the grain-based and sugar-based carbs.

Let's take a look at two "foods":

  1. Medium Sized Potato, 138 Calories, 31g Cabrs, 2g sugar
  2. Medium Sized Coke, 145 Calories, 37g Carbs, 27g sugar

Option 1 and Option 2 are about the same in calories and carbs, but completely different in terms of nutritional value.

With the potato you are also getting: Vitamin C, Vitamin B6, Potassium, Manganese, protein, and a host of other vitamins and minerals.

With the coke you are getting sugar and a bunch of chemicals

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on January 04, 2013
at 12:43 AM

BUT DOES IT COME WITH ELECTROLYTES?

4303a65967884e68bfae59817c227351

(1881)

on January 03, 2013
at 10:03 PM

Very well said. I'll have one of each, to keep my nutrition up.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on January 03, 2013
at 09:24 PM

Mmmmmm...chemicals!

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F0a3e3f17d9a740810ac37ff2353a9f3

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on January 04, 2013
at 12:26 AM

The short answer is "Yes".

I understand the appeal of the idea that, as long as we consume the "right" carbohydrates (potatoes vs. wheat, for example) or that as long as we're not "metabolically deranged", we'll suffer no ill-effects, but the fact is that there is, as yet, no evidence for it.

There have only been a half-dozen or so dietary trials of a Paleo diet, and none of them were controlled for carbohydrate. No one has ever compared the effects of consuming the same amount of carbohydrate from different sources.

Saying "I consume lots of carbs and I'm lean and healthy, therefore carbs are okay." is like saying, "I smoked a cigarette yesterday and I didn't die, therefore cigarettes are harmless." No one says that overconsumption of carbs will make you obese and diabetic overnight. It's a process that might take decades. (The Paleo demographic skews young and fit. Being young and active will atone for a multitude of dietary sins, but only temporarily.)

Basically, here at PaleoHacks, dismissing the insulin theory is what the cool kids do. They might, at some future date, be proven correct, but that time has not yet arrived.

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on January 04, 2013
at 03:54 AM

Peeps, if you're going to down vote an answer have the decency to explain why.

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on January 04, 2013
at 02:01 AM

@Wisper: That's not evidence that a Western European will have the same result. In any case, there are a multitude of differences besides diet between those societies and the one we live in, any one, or several, or all of which could affect their health.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on January 04, 2013
at 12:47 AM

Plenty of evidence in societies with high-carb diets that such diet by itself is not inherently bad.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on January 04, 2013
at 05:14 PM

I find the debate gets quite a bit more interesting when you look at health and longevity rather than stipulating that we are only looking at weight gain or loss.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on January 04, 2013
at 08:13 PM

Sam, the Irish were notoriously healthy while eating 87% of their calories from potatoes. This is a carb source that was introduced from America, not one that they "evolved" to eat. Also many studies have shown that, over time, low carb diets can lead to low T3.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on January 04, 2013
at 09:52 AM

You're claiming there's "no evidence" that eating "right" carbs is fine for healthy people, which is patently and demonstrably false. It's actually so ridiculous, I can't believe I'm even responding to this question in a serious manner.

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Ee6932fe54ad68039a8d5f7a8caa0468

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on January 03, 2013
at 11:10 PM

reject the insulin hypothesis of weight gain; just like we should reject the lipid hypothesis of heart disease.

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Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

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on January 03, 2013
at 08:54 PM

Good answers here.

I also think people tend to confuse "carbs" with "grains." All grains contain carbs, but not all carbs are grains. (Kind of like the rectangle/square thing if you remember your elementary school geometry, hehheh.) Because of the many detrimental effects of certain kinds of grains, carbs are safer coming from tubers, root veggies, and some fruit. These foods don't have the same effects on psychological or even dermatological health as the gluten grains seem to, and calorie for calorie, most of the roots & tubers have more vitamins & minerals than grains, so at least you're getting something else pretty good along with the carbs.

For people with good insulin sensitivity and no major health issues stemming from blood glucose and insulin regulation, carbohydrates are not that big an issue, especially if they're physically active and/or have athletic performance goals.

For people with lots of weight to lose and other metabolic issues, carbs should be limited (not eliminated, but limited).

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on January 03, 2013
at 10:13 PM

:-) Heehee! (Need...more...characters)

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

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on January 03, 2013
at 09:24 PM

+1 for the rectangle/square reference. This math teacher loves you!

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on January 03, 2013
at 08:47 PM

Carbohydrate bearing foods are not in and of themselves a concern for most people. Paleo can be done very-low carb, low carb, or moderate. Paleo tends not to be "high carbohydrate", however, though technically, it could (you won't find many people like that here).

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on January 03, 2013
at 08:47 PM

unless you are doing the potato diet!

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on January 03, 2013
at 10:48 PM

If you are not trying to lose weight, Paleo carbs shouldn't be a concern. On the other hand, if your goal is losing weight, keep your carbs between 50-100g daily.

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on January 04, 2013
at 11:22 PM

Wisper and Jake, just because this doesn't apply to you, doesn't make it untrue

Ee6932fe54ad68039a8d5f7a8caa0468

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on January 04, 2013
at 01:47 AM

completely untrue, and yet it seems to be repeated so often here, it's gospel. you can lose weight with any proportion of carbs in your diet. annoying that this crap persists (i'm looking at you, mark sisson).

46cca8ea7b1325c286c470182aef053b

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on January 04, 2013
at 02:20 AM

I've been coming to the same conclusion lately! Is Mark Sisson's 50-100g based solely on keeping the dieter in ketosis, or is there something more? I eat too much protein to keep myself in ketosis, so I've been thinking that upping my carbs probably wouldn't have too big an effect on me, for better or worse.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on January 04, 2013
at 12:45 AM

Nonsense. I've been losing consistently and for extended periods while on 150-200g of carbs per day, much of it from sugars on training days.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on January 04, 2013
at 04:24 PM

@Lariaz: I lose more weight around 100g of carbs each day, but cannot control my glucose levels. It's a double-edged sword for people like me. If you have stalled out, up your intake and see how it goes.

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