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Hack my Energy Levels (carbs/ketosis/fasting)

Asked on September 18, 2014
Created September 04, 2014 at 2:32 PM

I go walking everyday on my lunch break, when i eat VLC i find i don't have much energy, i lack that spring in my step, if i go up to 200g carbs then it comes back, but then the last 2 days i've been fasting, all i've eaten is one avocado yesterday for breakfast, but today on my walk i've had the most energy of all scenarios, why is this?

All i can think of is deeper ketosis? or burning the last of the glycogen off?

I'm doing a 5 day fast and today is day 2...

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on September 06, 2014
at 07:11 PM

I do some long distance walking on the weekends (9 miles today) with plenty of uphill, go for a half hour walk everyday outdoors during the week lift a heavy kettlebell intensely for 20 minutes 3-5 times a week, come to think of it i exercise plenty already but i feel like i could do a bit more

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on September 05, 2014
at 05:38 PM

Persistence is key to the improvement. I'm a lot healthier that I was 7 years ago because of all that long distance walking

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on September 05, 2014
at 03:33 PM

I agree that sustained exercise is my best option, i feel like the cholesterol spots came from a high fat diet, exercising less and going way over calories on weekends with refined sugar. Quite likely lots of saturated fat aswell, which is so annoying as i love it!

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on September 05, 2014
at 03:13 PM

CVD runs in my family too. I've gotten the best effect on health markers (HDL and systolic blood pressure) with hours of daily subaerobic exercise. Low carb helped me get rid of obesity, but that's not your problem.

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on September 05, 2014
at 02:18 PM

Yeah I have xanthelasmas, yellow cholesterol spots under my eyes, I'm only 30 so they are a strong indicator of CVD

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on September 05, 2014
at 01:31 PM

Why are you starving yourself? Are you fat or sick? If so, is it by an objective standard? Feelings alone don't count.

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on September 05, 2014
at 01:40 AM

tatical energy is a survial mechanism.  Your body responds because it needs to in order to get more energy (food).

 

Carbs are not the devil, 5 day fasts are not health seeking.

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on September 05, 2014
at 07:34 AM

Good answer untilt he last part. According to my knowledge fasting is one of if not the best all round treatment for many diseases, and good even if you're not sick to keep yourself healthy. If done too often it's obviously not very wise as you'll slowly starve yourself. For most people a day of fasting every few weeks would probably be enough, but i'm only 30 y/o with cholesterol spots under my eyes (high risk factor for CVD) and i find fasting reduces them, so i'm doing a prolonged fast for health reasons. I just need to figure out what to eat to keep my LDL down when i resume eating, even if thats high carb.

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on September 05, 2014
at 12:40 PM

 Fasting may be an effective method for treating a tactical illness, and there is some research to suggest that it is an effective method for controlling diabetes. 

 

But when you get to multi-day fasts and you maintain a high activity level, you cause cortisol to spike this can have lasting effects that take weeks to go back to normal.  I have not seen a study that shows a positive effect of a fast longer than 72 hours.  And the 72 hour fasts only show value if you do not control for energy intake (i.e. with a 72 hour fast every other week, people just cannot consume enough calories in the other days, thus they drop significant weight).

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on September 05, 2014
at 03:20 PM

I would guess that the reduction in fat of your diet, not the severe negitive energy balance is reducing the spots under your eye.  Dietary Cholesterol is not causal of Lipid Cholesterol.  However, saturated fat (especially dairy fat) is highly causal for some people. 

 

If I were you, I'd try a moderate carb, high protein, moderate fat (i.e. 30/40/30) paleo diet with lots of fresh fruits and vegetables, and a small amount of meat (6-10oz per day max).  Most of your fat should come from fruits, olive oil, and sea food.  I would eliminate red meat except once a week (3-4oz) and I would remove all processed meats (bacon, sausage, jerky, etc)

 

Try that for three weeks and perform a pre/post lipid test and see the results.  Only way you will know what to try is to N=1.

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on September 05, 2014
at 03:42 PM

Thanks for the clear advice man, these spots actually appeared when i was eating lots of dairy fat (ice cream/ghee) although im not convinced it was the dairy as i was eating loads of eggs aswell, the color of the spots is literally egg yolk/butter yellow (i know thats a big leap to make)

Sometimes when i eat lots of cholesterol, like the other day i had loads of prawns & heavy cream, the next day the spots appeared reduced, not sure if the high dietary cholesterol lowered my serum levels somehow, the spots also indicate apoe 3/4 genes.

I've already switched to seafood, olive oil & eating a good amount (3-500g) potatoes everyday, i would happily bring in some bananas aswell. To get to 40% protein thats gonna be a lot of seafood, a lot of £! Can't put a price on health though.

I'll get down to the docs asap to get bloodwork, i've been putting it off just trying to sort it myself.

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on September 05, 2014
at 06:14 PM

You are right For a 2000 kCal diet you are talking 150g Carbs, 200g Protein, 66g fat. 

 

That's probably too much protein, so maybe try 30/30/40 C,P,F -- that's still a bit high in protein ~150g, but not unsustainable.  5oz chicken breask is going to have ~50g protein.  A Protein shakes will have ~50g too.  You can get 100g/day for about $3 -- not too shabby.  Legumes, though shunded by Paleos, can be a cheap source of clean protein. 

 

I know that's not "traditional paleo" advice -- but you tried that and it didn't work. So you got to try something else.  Think of yourself as a vegetarian who occasionally cheats.

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on September 06, 2014
at 07:01 PM

I've been thinking about eating beans quite often recently good call

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on September 05, 2014
at 01:35 PM

Deeper ketosis? Sounds more like starvation has affected your judgement. Stop hallucinating about an imaginary condition. EAT.

 

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on September 05, 2014
at 01:43 PM

Starvation after 2 days fasting? You obviously know nothing about fasting! Maybe you'd think twice about EATing if you had cholesterol spots coming out your face

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on September 05, 2014
at 02:31 PM

How old are you? How much do you weigh? I've come close to passing out from a few HOURS of hypoglycemic exercise. Just eat now. 20 years from now you'll get it.

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on September 05, 2014
at 02:45 PM

I'm 30, 6,4", and 85 kg

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on September 05, 2014
at 03:08 PM

I don't get it. Healthy weight for your height. If you were going for a body builder physique a 5 day fast makes no sense. What is your goal?

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on September 05, 2014
at 03:24 PM

My only goal is to get rid of my cholesterol spots

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on September 06, 2014
at 02:48 PM

5 day fast? Why on earth would you do that? You'll just screw up your metabolism and stress the body in a big way. Sure, cavemen may have starved a little from time to time - but not because they wanted to!

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on September 06, 2014
at 07:05 PM

I actually feel great when i fast, it doesn't feel like im screwing myself up, it feels like rest not stress

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on September 07, 2014
at 12:42 PM

Oh well, as long as you really feel okay. I just think you should be careful with that kind of stuff. I've been there, but I feel a hell of a lot better now that I'm eating more carbs - including fructose - than ever. Maybe not ideal if you want to lose weight, but better for your metabolism and digestions, so it seems.

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