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eating all of your carbs pre workout

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Created September 01, 2012 at 4:07 PM

would it be a good idea to eat 250-300 grams of carbs before working out, and eat all my proteins after workout? i do 18-30 hour fasts everyday. Any advice is much appreciated

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on September 02, 2012
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note: 15g/kg is max storage including liver, 5g/kg is max depletion, so I accounted for that in my calculation.

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@Andrew and ROB. I know a number of elite athletes, most of them endurance athletes (one of whom pointed me to Paleo), who all thrive at less than 100g of carbs per day. Your muscles can store about 15 g/kg lean mass. So a 165 lb man with 12% body fat can only store 290g. You liver can produce about 200g glucose from fat stores which means you only need about 90g per day if you are completely depleting your stores each day.

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@alligator, Yes I am more primal than paleo, but I've met a lot of paleo people, and none eat as many carbs as i do (~150g / day) so I make that statement as a function of my observations.

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on September 01, 2012
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150 grams of carbs is not high carb paleo, and I think a lot of athletes will disagree with you that they don't need more than 150 grams of carbs.

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on September 01, 2012
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yeah...i personally need 200-300g of carbs on some days of high activity

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^ Way to pull that out of your ass. Paleo is not about macro ratios- it is about food kind and quality. Primal a la Mark Sisson is about Macro ratios, and so is PHD, but not "paleo"

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"High Carb Paleo is max 150g or 600 calories"

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lol, not everyday do i do 30 hour fasts, like i said from 18-30 hours. my workout today is the "Murph" WOD with a 25 pound weight vest and a 20 minute curcuit training afterwards, it will probably take 2 hours

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on September 01, 2012
at 04:18 PM

You have defied time as we know it by achieving up to 30-hour fasts everyday.

As for the answer to your question, consuming 250-300 grams of carbs pre-workout is a TON of carbs in a single meal. Without knowing more about your training, ie...what type of activity are you doing? Long cardio, high-intensity, heavy lifting, etc...it's tough to say, but I don't think there is any answer that would make someone recommend that much carbohydrate pre-workout.

Again, need more information, but you didn't mention anything at all about fat. It was carbs pre-workout and protein post-workout. Where's the fatty acid intake?

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lol, not everyday do i do 30 hour fasts, like i said from 18-30 hours. my workout today is the "Murph" WOD with a 25 pound weight vest and a 20 minute curcuit training afterwards, it will probably take 2 hours

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on September 01, 2012
at 05:17 PM

Your question is counter to the prevailing knowledge within the strength community. The general recommendation is protein immediately before a workout (specifically branched-chain amino acids) (LeanGains) and then a high-carb (but otherwise normal meal) post workout (Carb Back Loading). Outside of your workout meal, the general recommendation is low-carb or intermittent fasting. Nate Miyaki's Samurai Diet is another variation that follows these guidelines: a Leptin Reset style protein-only breakfast, a Paleo style low-carb lunch, and a "Japanese Village" style higher-carb dinner.

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on September 01, 2012
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No, this would actually be a very bad idea. You want to put carbs into your system to replenish your glycogen stores (although it is not necessary to do it within a set window post workout). Not to get a cheap sugar rush.

And 1200 Calories of Carbs is WAY too much for anyone, including distance runners. There is zero need for that much carbs in the body. High Carb Paleo is max 150g or 600 calories. That is half of what you are doing.

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on September 01, 2012
at 11:56 PM

150 grams of carbs is not high carb paleo, and I think a lot of athletes will disagree with you that they don't need more than 150 grams of carbs.

3a9d5dde5212ccd34b860bb6ed07bbef

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on September 01, 2012
at 08:20 PM

^ Way to pull that out of your ass. Paleo is not about macro ratios- it is about food kind and quality. Primal a la Mark Sisson is about Macro ratios, and so is PHD, but not "paleo"

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on September 02, 2012
at 01:55 AM

note: 15g/kg is max storage including liver, 5g/kg is max depletion, so I accounted for that in my calculation.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on September 02, 2012
at 01:54 AM

@alligator, Yes I am more primal than paleo, but I've met a lot of paleo people, and none eat as many carbs as i do (~150g / day) so I make that statement as a function of my observations.

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on September 01, 2012
at 08:56 PM

yeah...i personally need 200-300g of carbs on some days of high activity

3a9d5dde5212ccd34b860bb6ed07bbef

(1782)

on September 01, 2012
at 08:19 PM

"High Carb Paleo is max 150g or 600 calories"

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on September 02, 2012
at 01:54 AM

@Andrew and ROB. I know a number of elite athletes, most of them endurance athletes (one of whom pointed me to Paleo), who all thrive at less than 100g of carbs per day. Your muscles can store about 15 g/kg lean mass. So a 165 lb man with 12% body fat can only store 290g. You liver can produce about 200g glucose from fat stores which means you only need about 90g per day if you are completely depleting your stores each day.

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