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coconut oil and ketosis

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created March 29, 2012 at 4:43 PM

Situation: You have a carb binge one night about 80-100g and you are carb sensitive.

in order to enter ketosis as soon as possible the next day. do you

A) intermittently fast

or

B) eat lots of fat and no protein or carbs.

Which one is more likely to induce a stronger and quicker Ketogenic state?

Cf938ac46500e200c97f6adbb3365f64

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on April 16, 2012
at 05:24 PM

i like your analogy

7bf306ada57db47547e9da39a415edf6

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on April 13, 2012
at 09:02 PM

C) Go to sleep. All the advantages of A without having to pay attention. Then get up and eat some bacon and eggs.

73b72d74565dcf088158a97e39ae1d5e

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on April 10, 2012
at 10:18 PM

helps the liver clear out whatever the carb binge was - not so critical if it was totally clean carbs

337b24e948ed467fa775b5f56f51560c

on March 30, 2012
at 04:10 PM

Oops, sorry Dave. You're right. I thought ketosis required ketogenesis from body fat. Obviously the neurological benefits of ketone bodies doesn't vary by their source.

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on March 29, 2012
at 07:35 PM

yes i know badly dubbed, but its not the question. Im asking about if fasting vs eating high fat.... which would allow for a quicker and stronger ketogenic response. im aware of the effects of exercise on muscle and liver glycogen depletion but the option of exercise is not part of the question despite its superior ability to establish a state of ketosis i merely want to examine the non exercise induced forms of ketosis for those times when exercise just isn't happening sleep deprivation vacation hungover etcetera or whatever the case may be...thanks for the answer though

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on March 29, 2012
at 07:34 PM

what does water have to do with anything?

Cf938ac46500e200c97f6adbb3365f64

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on March 29, 2012
at 07:31 PM

no but its still enough to kick you out of ketosis considering its the alcohol i drank would inhibit fat burning.

73b72d74565dcf088158a97e39ae1d5e

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on March 29, 2012
at 07:19 PM

(supporting Dave here)

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on March 29, 2012
at 06:46 PM

well 80-100g isnt dire...

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on March 29, 2012
at 06:17 PM

And epileptics sucessfully use a "modified Atkins" diet that is 30-40% CHO with MCT oil to generate ketones and it works as well as the strict (90% fat) ketogenic diet at controlling seizures.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on March 29, 2012
at 06:14 PM

Really? The definition of ketosis is elevated ketones in the blood. How is this not the same?

337b24e948ed467fa775b5f56f51560c

on March 29, 2012
at 06:03 PM

That's not ketosis though, its the production of ketones. Not the same.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on March 29, 2012
at 06:01 PM

After the vampire sucks your blood, you will need to replenish electrolytes with orange juice or Gatorade.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on March 29, 2012
at 05:59 PM

80-100g and you call that a binge??? I call that dinner.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on March 29, 2012
at 05:59 PM

That could work depending on how bad the binge was.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on March 29, 2012
at 05:58 PM

I vote for coconut oil. Or have a vampire drain all your blood.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on March 29, 2012
at 05:57 PM

Well, you can acheive some level of ketosis in the presence of carbs using MCT oil (like coconut oil) and/or the amino acids lycine & luecine.

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Dc77df0e0b3a7643c94ce84eb0ae1fb4

on March 29, 2012
at 05:20 PM

lift weights. google CKD depletion workout.

cyclical ketogenic diets regularly carb load then try to deplete glycogen to re-enter ketosis as quickly as possible.

Cf938ac46500e200c97f6adbb3365f64

(324)

on March 29, 2012
at 07:31 PM

no but its still enough to kick you out of ketosis considering its the alcohol i drank would inhibit fat burning.

Cf938ac46500e200c97f6adbb3365f64

(324)

on March 29, 2012
at 07:35 PM

yes i know badly dubbed, but its not the question. Im asking about if fasting vs eating high fat.... which would allow for a quicker and stronger ketogenic response. im aware of the effects of exercise on muscle and liver glycogen depletion but the option of exercise is not part of the question despite its superior ability to establish a state of ketosis i merely want to examine the non exercise induced forms of ketosis for those times when exercise just isn't happening sleep deprivation vacation hungover etcetera or whatever the case may be...thanks for the answer though

Dc77df0e0b3a7643c94ce84eb0ae1fb4

(944)

on March 29, 2012
at 06:46 PM

well 80-100g isnt dire...

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on March 29, 2012
at 05:59 PM

That could work depending on how bad the binge was.

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337b24e948ed467fa775b5f56f51560c

on March 29, 2012
at 05:09 PM

Neither. Ketosis is induced through the absence of carbohydrates. Thus, eating nothing vs. eating only fat == same result. Do whichever one feels right to you.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on March 29, 2012
at 05:57 PM

Well, you can acheive some level of ketosis in the presence of carbs using MCT oil (like coconut oil) and/or the amino acids lycine & luecine.

337b24e948ed467fa775b5f56f51560c

on March 29, 2012
at 06:03 PM

That's not ketosis though, its the production of ketones. Not the same.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on March 29, 2012
at 06:14 PM

Really? The definition of ketosis is elevated ketones in the blood. How is this not the same?

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on March 29, 2012
at 06:17 PM

And epileptics sucessfully use a "modified Atkins" diet that is 30-40% CHO with MCT oil to generate ketones and it works as well as the strict (90% fat) ketogenic diet at controlling seizures.

73b72d74565dcf088158a97e39ae1d5e

(48)

on March 29, 2012
at 07:19 PM

(supporting Dave here)

337b24e948ed467fa775b5f56f51560c

on March 30, 2012
at 04:10 PM

Oops, sorry Dave. You're right. I thought ketosis required ketogenesis from body fat. Obviously the neurological benefits of ketone bodies doesn't vary by their source.

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3ab5e1b9eba22a071f653330b7fc9579

on April 13, 2012
at 06:05 PM

Fasting wins for me hands down. I do not want to say that a fast is an excuse to eat like crap, but it is kind of like church. You may have committed some food sins, but do your penance and there is no need to feel guilty about them anymore. I worship at the house of IF every time I have a diet slip up.

Cf938ac46500e200c97f6adbb3365f64

(324)

on April 16, 2012
at 05:24 PM

i like your analogy

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C26942a79fbd94cf7c383c596c847d06

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on March 30, 2012
at 02:07 AM

I drink coffee w/ heavy cream in the morning and sprint the sh*t out of a workout, and any juice left in me, I body weight tabatas (burpees, split squats, pull-ups, mountain climbers, and/or stationary bike).

that depletes it right outta ya, then I have a protein-y meal when I get hungry.

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73b72d74565dcf088158a97e39ae1d5e

on March 29, 2012
at 07:20 PM

I'd go with a lot of fat and some protein. And water. Lots of water.

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on March 29, 2012
at 07:34 PM

what does water have to do with anything?

73b72d74565dcf088158a97e39ae1d5e

(48)

on April 10, 2012
at 10:18 PM

helps the liver clear out whatever the carb binge was - not so critical if it was totally clean carbs

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