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Can we make friends with carbs?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created March 13, 2013 at 7:28 PM

I know I've asked a similar question before, and i've read lots of the questions on here regarding a similar topic but I am seeking a little more detail.

From what I've gathered, low carb allows people to EAT LESS eventually b/c it lowers appetite.

BUT you CAN still lose weight/fat WITH good paleo carbs, if you want to COUNT calories and are not overtaken by "insulin induced hunger (ie. not real hunger).

I've experimented with both but I seem to overeat most of the time whether I try to be low carb, or moderate carb. Weight/fat loss seems to be about a calorie deficient, and eating less, but neither mentioned approach seems to be helping me eat less. Yes maybe for one day, but then the next day I eat more than I should again (almost like making up for the day before).

Now is there something to be said about VLC, LC and real FAT loss vs. a carb diet and WEIGHT loss? I've been trying to eat moderate carb lately but I'm overeating at least every other day still and my appetite is out of whack.

My problem seems to be lately that VLC, LC, AND "high" carb, don't do shit to help me eat less.

Every time I try to get back into LC though too, I barely make it one day eating just eggs, meat, fat, veggies and end up eating WAY too much. But maybe I'm just not giving it enough time? Should I just continue to just let myself eat too much on VLC until eventually I can't anymore? (B/c I know after a few days of that, the cool thing about LC is that I'd PROBABLY lose my appetite if I gave it enough time)... but I hate myself for the first few days before I feel like I fat ass, but maybe I NEED to do that to get back into Lc? but then I think... is this sustainable for life? It obviously brought me to where I am now and didn't let me maintain the weight I lost. But maybe that's just because I reintroduced carbs and this time I shouldn't? Do I have to be afraid of carbs forever?

The first time I lost weight, was the first time I went Paleo, no starches at all, exercise every morning, and counting calories to an extent. But after I got to the weight I wanted, I tried adding in back carbs and gained it all back. Looking at where I am now I DO NOT want to repeat that again, but my appetite is just NOT in control anymore, and IT WAS when I was low carb... but as much as I want to get back there, i don't want this whole process to happen again. If I WERE to go low carb again, should I try just to have carbs once a week when ready for maintenance unlike a little every day like last time? Or should I make friends with good carbs, and just count calories more intensely? I am so annoyed. I'm not even MAD at myself anymore, I just need to find a balance, and I can't seem to find it on my own anymore. Sorry for the long read. Advice appreciated.

0b4326a4949718451a8571b82558dc10

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on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

In other words, heavy carbs like potatoes, rice & fruit should be dinner/Post workout foods and but they should be eaten in moderate to large quantities without guilt (depending on your activity level) Lighter carbs, even starchy like carrots can and should be eaten early preferably with some fat and protein.

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on March 15, 2013
at 06:02 AM

Not if they can help it.

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on March 15, 2013
at 04:21 AM

Sooooo people looking to lose weight shouldn't cook with refined fats/oils?

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on March 14, 2013
at 06:02 PM

In other words, heavy carbs like potatoes & white rice should be dinner/Post workout foods and they should be eaten in moderate to large quantities without guilt! (depending on your activity levels) Lighter carbs, even starchy like carrots can and should be eaten early preferably with some fat and protein

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on March 14, 2013
at 05:55 PM

In other words, heavy carbs like potatoes, rice & fruit should be dinner foods. Lighter carbs, even starchy like carrots can and should be eaten early preferably with some fat and protein.

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on March 14, 2013
at 05:54 PM

In other words, heavy carbs like potatoes, rice & fruit should be dinner foods. Lighter carbs, even starchy like carrots should and can be eaten early preferably with some fat and protein.

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on March 14, 2013
at 05:53 PM

not necessarily. If you're just drinking the pulp with no added fats or protein in the meal I would definitely move it to later in the day or add fat to your breakfast. If you're including fat and protein to your morning meal there's no real reason to worry about carbs from even starchy vegetables in my opinion. The apple however..ehh that's your call. Fruits seem to spur my appetite especially in the morning but you could be different.

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on March 14, 2013
at 05:33 PM

I wouldn't recommend those to anyone attempting to lose weight. Refined fats and sugars crammed into food is how everyone gets fat. Removing them is how they get lean.

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on March 14, 2013
at 12:39 PM

I agree - it takes a while for these changes to take effect so you can't tell just from one or two days. Pick one thing and commit to it for 2 weeks, then see how you feel.

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on March 14, 2013
at 05:00 AM

Refined fats/oils including butter, ghee, coconut oil, etc.?

C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

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on March 14, 2013
at 02:43 AM

Thanks for this!! So it would be better to cut fruit rather than starch correct? And I should only have starch at dinner?

C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

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on March 14, 2013
at 02:39 AM

Lately I've been trying to get in more raw veggies so for breakfast have been making a juice from 1 apple, 4 raw carrots, celery, chard, cucumber, and kale. Should I move that to dinner since you think I shouldn't have carbs in the morning? Thanks for your advice!!

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on March 13, 2013
at 09:51 PM

Ya right after a good weight lifting session your body can use carbs/sugar in a beneficial way to restore glycogen in your muscles. I like to run half marathons (OMG not Paleo) so I like to have a sweet potato a couple hours before my runs to help performance (instead of focusing on weight loss) and to decrease muscle loss (sometimes half a banana during a long run too)

C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

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on March 13, 2013
at 09:03 PM

so strach only before or after exercise, that's what I've been trying to do lately but my appetite is still hard to control. Thanks though!

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on March 13, 2013
at 09:00 PM

Yup that's true with me. Thank you for your thoughts!

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7e1433afbb06c318c4d90860d493c49d

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on March 13, 2013
at 11:57 PM

I have issues with carbs and blood sugar, and I find that I'm ok with the moderate amount of carbs in my diet if I avoid starch and stick to the fruits that I'm ok with (berries, apples, citrus, stone fruits, and cherries). I've noticed in the paleosphere that with fruits and starches, there are folks who do well with one but not the other. So, my advice would be to try cutting out starch and eating fruit for carbs, and then vice versa, to see if one source of carbohydrate works better than the other. Paleo isn't a rigid set of rules, set in stone; ya gotta experiment and find out what works best.

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on March 13, 2013
at 07:40 PM

People are unique. Your experience with your own body is a better guide than opinions of random strangers on the 'net.

I get the feeling that you expect everything to click and work in a matter of days. If it doesn't, you jump between diets. I would stick with something (LC would be my preference, but not necessarily yours) for a couple of months at least, let the body adjust and settle into the pattern, see how it works. Don't obsess over a few pounds, get onto stable ground first and then adjust from there.

C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

(753)

on March 13, 2013
at 09:00 PM

Yup that's true with me. Thank you for your thoughts!

Fd7b128cf714044a86d8bd822c7a8992

(4292)

on March 14, 2013
at 12:39 PM

I agree - it takes a while for these changes to take effect so you can't tell just from one or two days. Pick one thing and commit to it for 2 weeks, then see how you feel.

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on March 13, 2013
at 07:36 PM

The key is to replace refined fats/oils with starch and fruit but keep the heaps of red meat. You still get the satiety without the negative metabolic and culinary consequences. When low carb works, it's because of the satiety, when it fails it's because the energy density exceeded the satiety. Incidentally, the same rules apply to any macronutrient composition.

Medium avatar

(39821)

on March 14, 2013
at 05:33 PM

I wouldn't recommend those to anyone attempting to lose weight. Refined fats and sugars crammed into food is how everyone gets fat. Removing them is how they get lean.

Medium avatar

(10663)

on March 14, 2013
at 05:00 AM

Refined fats/oils including butter, ghee, coconut oil, etc.?

Medium avatar

(10663)

on March 15, 2013
at 04:21 AM

Sooooo people looking to lose weight shouldn't cook with refined fats/oils?

Medium avatar

(39821)

on March 15, 2013
at 06:02 AM

Not if they can help it.

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0b4326a4949718451a8571b82558dc10

on March 14, 2013
at 12:35 AM

carbs are awesome you just have to know how to use them. I eat 95% of mine after heavy lifting and never in the mornings. I eat a lot too..I don't count but I wouldn't be surprised if I exceed 300g on very intense days. I haven't run into any problems yet, and actually feel much better than going low carb all the time

loads of white Rice & white potatoes on workout days (i'm talking like 7 potatoes and 10 cups of rice) I'll usually eat 1 or 2 yams for dinner on off days & cardio days but I generally like to stay under 50 and never go over 100. Working great so far.

My best advice: eat your carbs around dinner time and eat according to how active you are. But ultimately if you feel you should be eating carbs don't question it..just eat them.

***could you allergic/bad at digesting eggs? I used to eat the shit out of eggs (30-50 per week) and all they did was make me hungry. Since I've switched to bacon and beef I've been much happier and satisfied. I would suggest cutting eggs for a while and see how you feel. I just know it worked for me. Also get a good probiotic food in your system. I suggest making home made sauerkraut. It's very easy. 30 minutes of work for months worth of supply.

0b4326a4949718451a8571b82558dc10

(2349)

on March 14, 2013
at 05:53 PM

not necessarily. If you're just drinking the pulp with no added fats or protein in the meal I would definitely move it to later in the day or add fat to your breakfast. If you're including fat and protein to your morning meal there's no real reason to worry about carbs from even starchy vegetables in my opinion. The apple however..ehh that's your call. Fruits seem to spur my appetite especially in the morning but you could be different.

0b4326a4949718451a8571b82558dc10

(2349)

on March 14, 2013
at 05:55 PM

In other words, heavy carbs like potatoes, rice & fruit should be dinner foods. Lighter carbs, even starchy like carrots can and should be eaten early preferably with some fat and protein.

0b4326a4949718451a8571b82558dc10

(2349)

on March 14, 2013
at 05:54 PM

In other words, heavy carbs like potatoes, rice & fruit should be dinner foods. Lighter carbs, even starchy like carrots should and can be eaten early preferably with some fat and protein.

0b4326a4949718451a8571b82558dc10

(2349)

on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

In other words, heavy carbs like potatoes, rice & fruit should be dinner/Post workout foods and but they should be eaten in moderate to large quantities without guilt (depending on your activity level) Lighter carbs, even starchy like carrots can and should be eaten early preferably with some fat and protein.

C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

(753)

on March 14, 2013
at 02:39 AM

Lately I've been trying to get in more raw veggies so for breakfast have been making a juice from 1 apple, 4 raw carrots, celery, chard, cucumber, and kale. Should I move that to dinner since you think I shouldn't have carbs in the morning? Thanks for your advice!!

0b4326a4949718451a8571b82558dc10

(2349)

on March 14, 2013
at 06:02 PM

In other words, heavy carbs like potatoes & white rice should be dinner/Post workout foods and they should be eaten in moderate to large quantities without guilt! (depending on your activity levels) Lighter carbs, even starchy like carrots can and should be eaten early preferably with some fat and protein

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61a27a8b7ec2264b1821923b271eaf54

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on March 13, 2013
at 10:34 PM

I ate zero starch for 2 years. I lost weight but never really got to where I wanted to be. I added in starch and now am exactly the weight and size I wanted to be all along.

My problem was that in reducing carbs, starch was such an easy target. Don't confuse potatoes with bread or sugar! Eat a modest amount of starch every day and your body will thank you. Finding the right amount takes time. Start out with 1/2 pound a day or a small serving with lunch and supper. If you start gaining, cut back a bit on some discretionary fat before cutting the starch.

I think our bodies want and need a bit of an insulin spike and some clean glucose daily to keep everything in good shape, metabolism-wise.

C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

(753)

on March 14, 2013
at 02:43 AM

Thanks for this!! So it would be better to cut fruit rather than starch correct? And I should only have starch at dinner?

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8d386bf2c5ba20fcc1a2a0c805b217c9

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on March 14, 2013
at 02:22 PM

Hey, there's nothing wrong with indulging in some sweet potato every now and then. See what works for you, as it probably won't hurt. different strokes for different folks.

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on March 14, 2013
at 02:17 PM

Also it's possible that you misread when you're "hungry". For me, I've found IF (lunch and dinner, no snacking) to be great to control my appetite. For the first week it's hard, but after that I don't feel hungry except before meals. Okay, I'm sometimes hungry at other times, but I've learned to ignore it because the feeling goes away. It's really gotten me attuned to knowing when I'm "really" hungry. When I stop IF, I consistently find that I go back to always being famished and eating ten times per day, so these days I'm pretty much always IF. So, for me, Paleo alone wasn't enough to control my appetite, but Paleo + IF did the trick. As I write this, it's 10am so I have not eaten in about 15 hours. I could easily eat now and normally would, but because I'm IFing I'll wait two more hours, and it will be easy.

I do throw in some potato/sweet potato/white rice/fruit in many but not all meals. For me, though, it's not low or high carb that determines my weight. It's just whether I'm constantly feeding my face or not.

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40b065644e95a090f6a41808303773ae

on March 13, 2013
at 09:32 PM

Carbs and I are great friends. LC did nothing but help me overeat on delicious fatty foods. No quick satiety there for me.

I personally do much better (satiety, weight loss) with potatoes and rice in my diet.

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on March 13, 2013
at 08:45 PM

It's maybe a stomach thing. Bread, rice, pasta etc, take up a lot of space and your stomach likes to feel "full". I'm like this too, so to fill the volume I eat loads of veggies (raw carrots a particular favourite), herbal tea, sparkling water and sometimes chia seeds. I also eat leaner protein, which is not what's normally advised but for the same calories, it has more volume, so stops me over eating. I also eat my veggies before my meat, so that by the time I get to the meat I'm pretty full!

Paleo carbs from root veggies are also really filling, in the volume stakes. They are also fibrous and the carbs are released pretty slowly. I'm talking parsnips, carrots, rutabaga, turnip,etc

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86c97b2779feab3c330f5e1c5fea7e25

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on March 13, 2013
at 07:46 PM

I eat sweet potatoes before long runs and after hard workout sessions. I am still relatively low carb compared to my exercise levels, but I am friends with carbs while I lose weight and improve my body comp (however I never needed to lose a LOT of weight, if that makes a difference). I do not get any kind of craving to eat more, although I do eat a meal once I get back from the gym/run

86c97b2779feab3c330f5e1c5fea7e25

(2312)

on March 13, 2013
at 09:51 PM

Ya right after a good weight lifting session your body can use carbs/sugar in a beneficial way to restore glycogen in your muscles. I like to run half marathons (OMG not Paleo) so I like to have a sweet potato a couple hours before my runs to help performance (instead of focusing on weight loss) and to decrease muscle loss (sometimes half a banana during a long run too)

C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

(753)

on March 13, 2013
at 09:03 PM

so strach only before or after exercise, that's what I've been trying to do lately but my appetite is still hard to control. Thanks though!

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on March 14, 2013
at 12:28 PM

Your question made me lough! But speaking seriously I should admit that it's an important question. Read [here][1] about carbs

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