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Are dates the exception as far as dried fruit goes? Also, no problems with a high carb diet?

Commented on August 06, 2014
Created August 01, 2014 at 8:55 PM

I know dried fruits are usually frowned upon in the paleo community because of the high sugar and low water content. Usually, whenever I eat any type of dried fruit I get really thirsty really fast, and I get a little sugar rush as well. Dates seem to be the only exception for me, heck, I can eat 7 without drinking water before or after and not feel thirsty at all. Also, I don't seem to get the sugar rush symptoms either, and my theory is that this is due to the high fiber content. Could dates be the only good dried fruit?

Also; I've been eating paleo/primal for awhile now, and even went into ketosis for the past month, but sadly, it costed way too much money, so I had to go back to eating a higher carb diet, which includes white rice and fruit. While in ketosis I didn't really notice a huge difference besides not being hungry as often. I did go from 152 pounds to 141 pounds in the first week, but it was most likely all water weight. I did lose a bit a fat too, but not too much. When I started eating rice again, I went back to 152, but I didn't notice any significant weight gain (that is, weight that wasn't water weight). Just to be clear, I eat ALOT of rice, about 2 cups (dry) every day. So in this self experiment, I haven't found any significant correlation between carb intake and weight gain/other "high carb" problems.

However, wheat was a different story for me. About 6 months ago, I was coming off of the SAD diet and onto the paleo/primal diet, at about 165 pounds and 20% body fat. I ate TONS of wheat (and oats), and I felt like crap. I wouldn't lose weight, and I was hungry 2 hours after I ate, but my biggest problem was bloating - I felt bloated all the time, literally all day every day. My transition was tough. I was hungry, so hungry that I could eat anything. After a while, that stopped, and I felt fine. No more severe hunger pains every 2-3 hours, bloating significantly decreased, and I even managed to drop down to 152 pounds and 15% body fat! For awhile I lingered there for a month or two, but then I started to eat wheat and oats again. I gained 8 pounds in about 2 weeks (which I could tell was definitely not water weight) , and all the symptoms started reappearing. When I stopped eating wheat and oats yet again, the symptoms disappeared and I dropped back to 152 pounds at 15% body fat. I stayed there for a long time, and then learned about ketosis. During the month that I was In ketosis, I managed to get down to 13% body fat, Which I've maintained even after over a week of stuffing my face with rice and fruit (I literally ate a 7 pound melon every day for the past week along with my rice). Also, I'm sure that alot of you have heard of the Asian paradox - how can they be skinny if they eat so much rice? Is it possible that only certain types of carbs/sugar cause weight gain? Like maybe wheat and table sugar, but not rice and fruit sugar?

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on August 06, 2014
at 04:03 AM

That's really cool! I've never heard of that book before, it sounds like a good read. So you can relate to me as far as the weight loss goes... seems strange, right? I wonder how it works, because science says that carbs are the main cause of weight gain, yet that doesn't seem to apply to alot of people, including you and me.

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on August 03, 2014
at 04:12 PM

You missed the point of the analogy completely. Ok, let me make it super simple: 1 gram of glucose from bread does exactly the same thing as 1 gram of glucose from an orange. Same amount of glucose, same calories, same insulin response. And if you're saying that the orange is healthier because of the fructose, then I guess I should have compared it to a can of soda with high-fructose corn syrup, that's healthier than bread right? lol

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on August 03, 2014
at 04:05 PM

It applies to you, but you aren't seeing it because you are not properly measuring and calculating everything you are eating. It's a lot easier to get 300g of carbs from junk food and bread than it is to get it from fruits. Fruits contain a lot more fiber and water so it seems like you are eating more carbs when in reality you are not.

By the way, why do you ask the question if you already know the answer you want to hear?

F7b8b445bdbdbc1a9695216bb2cb2aa1

on August 01, 2014
at 11:29 PM

Wow, I must be a medical anomaly then... Science doesn't seem to apply to me.

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on August 01, 2014
at 09:53 PM

But the fact the glucose from an orange comes with fructose affects the way the glucose is processed. Bread, on the other hand, is digested into pure glucose without fructose. That by itself ensures a greater insulin release.

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on August 04, 2014
at 07:22 PM

Hi,

Your post reminded me of a book I read decades ago: memoirs of a French officer who had served in the spahis (French army, with most of the grunts being Moroccan 'natives', before the decolonisation) at the beginning of the 20th century. They often went on long expeditions on camel back across the Sahara desert, Lawrence of Arabia fashion, and as they couldn't carry much food with them, they adopted the Touaregs' staple diet of rice + dried dates. He reported that, even though they only took in minute amounts of food every day (once a day in the evening I think, so they were IFing as well), none of the men suffered weight loss or tiredness.

A couple of weeks ago, I had some problems eating, because of stomach pains caused by NSAI, and dates are one of the foods I turned to! I still lost 4 kilos in 1 month, more than I had lost since going paleo months ago!

F7b8b445bdbdbc1a9695216bb2cb2aa1

on August 06, 2014
at 04:03 AM

That's really cool! I've never heard of that book before, it sounds like a good read. So you can relate to me as far as the weight loss goes... seems strange, right? I wonder how it works, because science says that carbs are the main cause of weight gain, yet that doesn't seem to apply to alot of people, including you and me.

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on August 02, 2014
at 11:05 AM

Fructose doesn't hit the bloodstream it is stroed as triglycerides after being transported to liver via portal vein, so perhaps this is why no physcial 'sugar high' symptoms are felt..

Re other question you said about eating lots of rice and fruit... If you weren't overeating during thsoe times then this could explain it... Perhaps the other foods trigger overeating or you were overeating when earting them adn this could explaint eh weight gain...

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Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on August 01, 2014
at 09:12 PM

"Is it possible that only certain types of carbs/sugar cause weight gain? Like maybe wheat and table sugar, but not rice and fruit sugar?"

All carbs can cause weight gain equally. Digested starches convert to glucose, and table sugar (sucrose) breaks down into glucose and fructose in exactly the same way, regardless of the food they are found in. A glucose molecule from an orange behaves exactly the same inside your body as a glucose molecule from a loaf of bread.

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(-23)

on August 01, 2014
at 09:53 PM

But the fact the glucose from an orange comes with fructose affects the way the glucose is processed. Bread, on the other hand, is digested into pure glucose without fructose. That by itself ensures a greater insulin release.

F7b8b445bdbdbc1a9695216bb2cb2aa1

on August 01, 2014
at 11:29 PM

Wow, I must be a medical anomaly then... Science doesn't seem to apply to me.

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