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Ideal carbohydrate source for me

Answered on December 11, 2013
Created November 24, 2013 at 2:59 AM

I'm in a pretty annoying situation. I need a source of carbohydrates that can make up around 50% of my diet. The problem is, it has to be super cheap(I need to eat around 3600 calories a day, but my parents say I should only spend 50 -60 dollars a week on groceries) it can't be a nightshade as those give me pretty bad joint pain, it can't be orange sweet potatoes( due to excessive beta carotene [i don't want orange hands and feet] and fructose) and it has to have enough micronutrients to make up the bulk (50% or so) of my diet, along with milk, eggs, meat and veggies. Maybe I should tell my parents that eating the amount of food I do is impossible on 50-60 dollars a week, but I don't know. Any suggestions?

14b8422e9b449a21e06fa3349953d4f7

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on November 25, 2013
at 03:28 AM

Your seriously going around to some of my posts that haven't been viewed for months and up voting everyone that disagrees with me? Exactly how old are you and why are you acting like a two year old bobk

14b8422e9b449a21e06fa3349953d4f7

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on November 25, 2013
at 03:22 AM

I don't know if it's new or not but his answer had three downvotes and almost ten comments and now it's not even there

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

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on November 25, 2013
at 03:19 AM

"removing your answer" this must be a new option on the new ph site. you never use to be able to delete answers (on the old site). i wonder what happens to any points attributed on the answer & any comments

14b8422e9b449a21e06fa3349953d4f7

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on November 25, 2013
at 03:06 AM

Are you not listening to a word I'm saying? Let me say it again slowly to see if you understand. I... Am asking... For help and advice... To assist me... In eliminating... Grains... From my diet. Do you understand now?

14b8422e9b449a21e06fa3349953d4f7

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on November 25, 2013
at 03:04 AM

And if it's "too funny" that I'm trying to make a point on high vs low carb than why don't you prove me wrong instead of removing your answer and talking trash

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on November 25, 2013
at 03:02 AM

Needs more dinosaurs

F291857fa12a0291688ea994343156dc

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on November 25, 2013
at 03:01 AM

@Matt 11 You make a great point. Hawkeye52 is not paleo & I'm an idiot for trying to coach him on paleo eating.

14b8422e9b449a21e06fa3349953d4f7

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on November 25, 2013
at 02:59 AM

I'm cutting grains out, but there's nothing wrong with rice supplementing the tubers, fruit and milk

F291857fa12a0291688ea994343156dc

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on November 25, 2013
at 02:58 AM

If you;re interested in a high carb diet ...why are you visiting a paleo site? But I digress... I'm the idiot here, I debating a 13 year old.

14b8422e9b449a21e06fa3349953d4f7

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on November 25, 2013
at 02:58 AM

Oh yeah, and as for your comment on my original post, how about next time someone disagrees with you, you be rational instead of ignoring the fact that I'm asking for help in eliminating grains out of my diet(I thought that was kind of the point of this forum in the first place) and trying to make me out as a wannabe kid who makes nonsensical claims about myself even though you don't know shit about who I really am

F291857fa12a0291688ea994343156dc

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on November 25, 2013
at 02:56 AM

@Hawkeyes52 "' I've played football for a long time"... maybe on your time scale. Read MORE of his blog & more about his athletic activities. I would posit that "tire flipping" is akin to football. Besides at 13, are you really sufficiently educated to comprehend the science he presents?

14b8422e9b449a21e06fa3349953d4f7

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on November 25, 2013
at 02:52 AM

... An article on why low carb is sub-par for performance). Number three, he even states that the downfall to low carb/ketosis is a "loss of all out top end power" which is the single most important thing to optimize for football. Last of all, I asked a question about how to improve the high carb diet that I choose to eat for performance and other reasons, and you came off as if you were just waiting to tell me that everything I know is wrong(even though in the process you completely ignored vital facts) and what your saying should just be mindlessly accepted without second thought.

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

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on November 25, 2013
at 02:46 AM

you can always pick him up on his spelling...unless anoerobic is a valid spelling in the US

14b8422e9b449a21e06fa3349953d4f7

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on November 25, 2013
at 02:42 AM

Ok, I can see where your coming from, but I don't think your considering my sport specific goals. Number 1, this article is geared toward endurance athletes("especially as someone geared toward endurance sports", "the goal of any endurance athlete..."). I've played football for a long time, but never have I played in a game where I sustained a steady pace in one direction for 30-60 minutes. Number 2, your source, peter attia, is completely biased toward low carb, which leads me to question the "results"( I don't think that one of the only mainstream low carb athletes would post ...

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on November 25, 2013
at 02:24 AM

The lower levels of toxins is the main benefit (what else do you need to sell you on it?) Aside from that, I dunno.. flies live longer on the stuff? haha. Raw grass-fed A2/A2 milk is what you want.

F291857fa12a0291688ea994343156dc

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on November 25, 2013
at 02:20 AM

Maybe he thinks paelo is cool. Maybe he's hoping to get an "PH approval pass" to include non-paleo stuff so he can tell all his friends "I'm eating paleo".

14b8422e9b449a21e06fa3349953d4f7

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on November 25, 2013
at 02:18 AM

Aside from pesticides, what's the benefit of organic, as it will have to be pretty substantial as I'm on a tight budget. As for milk, grass fed isn't available but since I live in canada, hormones are illegal. I also eat seasonal vegetables (which is pretty easy since I live in the southern parts of Ontario) so that takes care of the variability thing. Also, when I say a few litres, I usually only have a litre max, sometimes less

F291857fa12a0291688ea994343156dc

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on November 25, 2013
at 02:17 AM

When did rice & grains become paleo?

F291857fa12a0291688ea994343156dc

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on November 25, 2013
at 02:14 AM

Have you done your reading assignment? If not, bummer. It's all about the science not folklore. >>>It's common knowledge<<< not common knowledge, it's referred to as conventional wisdom (CW), which is often clung to for years despite being wrong.http://eatingacademy.com/category/sports-and-nutrition http://eatingacademy.com/how-a-low-carb-diet-affected-my-athletic-performance

F291857fa12a0291688ea994343156dc

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on November 25, 2013
at 02:14 AM

Wow... I've been 'dissed' by a 13 year old. :) That is just too funny.

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on November 25, 2013
at 01:59 AM

Get the rice organic californian, the potatoes / bananas / veg organic, the milk grass-fed. Try to explore other options so you don't get locked into repetitious meals. As a guy who doesn't drink milk, litres of the stuff daily sounds like an excessive amount of cow teat juice to me.

14b8422e9b449a21e06fa3349953d4f7

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on November 25, 2013
at 01:44 AM

So I think what I'm going to do is eat around three cups of cooked white rice per day, along with 1 or two pounds of potatoes, with a few litres of whole milk, a few bananas and copious amounts of veggies to get around the 1800 calories of carbohydrate heavy foods that I'm going for. What do you think of this

14b8422e9b449a21e06fa3349953d4f7

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on November 24, 2013
at 05:57 PM

Less, not lees

14b8422e9b449a21e06fa3349953d4f7

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on November 24, 2013
at 05:56 PM

That's what I was thinking, any suggestions on the "safest" legumes

14b8422e9b449a21e06fa3349953d4f7

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on November 24, 2013
at 05:52 PM

Football is an anoerobic sport. Ketones and/or fat cannot fuel the anoerobic system. It's common knowledge

14b8422e9b449a21e06fa3349953d4f7

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on November 24, 2013
at 05:51 PM

I've been gradually cutting out grains recently and the lees of them I eat the better I feel

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on November 24, 2013
at 04:19 PM

You're not paleo, and yet you ask the same questions repeatedly. Do you expect a difference answer each time?

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on November 24, 2013
at 01:43 PM

(Typical breakfast in Japan. The stuff on the right is Natto, the highest dietary source of vitamin k2. The seaweed on the left is one of the highest dietary sources of iodine. The fish / egg are ideal sources of protein / fat. Then it has some fermented highly nutritious vegetables / probiotics.)

When my dad lived in Japan, you'd eat raw meat in the morning pretty often. Pretty paleo.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on November 24, 2013
at 12:46 PM

There's no need to make rice out to be this low nutrient food. You just have to put some vegetables on it and make it into a meal. Pour some bone broth, get some sea vegetables going in there and some small fish. In Japan, you eat rice with every single meal every day. This kinda stuff.

14b8422e9b449a21e06fa3349953d4f7

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on November 24, 2013
at 12:30 PM

I just really enjoy exercising. Not only do love exercising, but the fact that it's made me the best player on my entire team is great too. I think I'd be able to keep to the budget if I just used potatoes and white rice for starch, and bananas as a fruit, but in order to do that I would have to eat a lot of white rice. So how much white rice should I eat before experiencing any issues from the low nutrient content?

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on December 11, 2013
at 03:40 PM

Plantains are really cheap. I make breads and muffins with them, even cake. The blue/purple potatoes aren't terribly expensive. Jicama is fun as well.

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on November 25, 2013
at 06:48 AM

In traditional agricultural societies where the poor only have access to less than ideal food sources such as grains, they relied on processing to increase nutritional value and decrease anti-nutrients. The simplest, most effective, and widespread example of grain processing is soaking and fermentation. Google "fermented cereals a global perspective" to give you an idea of traditional fermented grain products. My personal favorite is dosa, rice and lentils soaked overnight, ground, left to ferment a minimum of 24 hours, and cooked in a skillet as a flatbread. Of course I do have to agree that potatoes are a much better source of carbohydrates and when bought in bulk they cost the same or less than grains.

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on November 24, 2013
at 04:55 PM

Tubers, legumes and rice followed by cereal grains in that order.

F291857fa12a0291688ea994343156dc

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on November 25, 2013
at 02:17 AM

When did rice & grains become paleo?

14b8422e9b449a21e06fa3349953d4f7

(220)

on November 24, 2013
at 05:56 PM

That's what I was thinking, any suggestions on the "safest" legumes

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32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on November 24, 2013
at 03:00 PM

Stop trying to eat a restrictive diet. Eat a variety of carbohydrate sources. Rice, potatoes, tubers, plantains, fruit… Heck, you're not concerned with paleo principles so break out the buckwheat, quinoa, oats, wheat, etc… if you have no restrictions, what's the issue really?

14b8422e9b449a21e06fa3349953d4f7

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on November 24, 2013
at 05:51 PM

I've been gradually cutting out grains recently and the lees of them I eat the better I feel

14b8422e9b449a21e06fa3349953d4f7

(220)

on November 24, 2013
at 05:57 PM

Less, not lees

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Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on November 24, 2013
at 07:05 AM

50% of your diet in carbs at 3600 calories a day is a lot of carbs / daily activity. Pastafarian-mode engage. At a $50/wk budget, I think 10lb sacks of 99 cent potatoes are going to be useful. Throw some 20-50lb sacks of white rice on there and lots of fruits. It shouldn't be too hard. You're going to be eating all day long. Why not do a little less in the day and eat normal amounts of food for a 13 yo?

14b8422e9b449a21e06fa3349953d4f7

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on November 24, 2013
at 12:30 PM

I just really enjoy exercising. Not only do love exercising, but the fact that it's made me the best player on my entire team is great too. I think I'd be able to keep to the budget if I just used potatoes and white rice for starch, and bananas as a fruit, but in order to do that I would have to eat a lot of white rice. So how much white rice should I eat before experiencing any issues from the low nutrient content?

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F291857fa12a0291688ea994343156dc

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on November 24, 2013
at 07:02 AM

See if you can find a local source for fat from 100% grass feed beef. imo football & training for football can be a fat fueled

I know you're not trying to lose wieght but look at Attia macro breakdowns over time.

You need "enough" protein ??g per pound of lean body muscle... I'm not sure the right amount, read more of Attia's blog.

http://eatingacademy.com/how-i-lost-weight

Once you determine the "right" amount of protein, you only need 100g carbs and the rest of your fuel can be fat. Eggs & ground beef for protein

14b8422e9b449a21e06fa3349953d4f7

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on November 24, 2013
at 05:52 PM

Football is an anoerobic sport. Ketones and/or fat cannot fuel the anoerobic system. It's common knowledge

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