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carbnite refeed question

Commented on March 03, 2014
Created March 02, 2014 at 1:43 PM

Is the whole you need to eat junk to really see the effects of carbonate BS?

I have been looking at the forums and they all say to people planning to have things like potato and bread that they are not doing it properly because you need to spike insulin as much as possible going as high up the glycemic index as possible.

I just don't see how krispy kremes with their 120 grams of fat per dozen will spike my insulin more than some frozen yoghurt, fruit and moltodextrin shake?

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on March 03, 2014
at 05:16 AM

Yep it was a terrible decision, I don't recommend it. Although "crazy nut job" may be a little harsh...

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on March 03, 2014
at 04:36 AM

"science behind the pro junk and high glycemic stance".... maybe there isn't any?

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on March 02, 2014
at 05:27 PM

yeah, so how do you do a carb refeed and still eat paleo? Easy. sweet potatoes, white rice, or even white potatoes. Lots of starchy veggies, and no grains.

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on March 02, 2014
at 09:01 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h1sCbstWuE

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on March 02, 2014
at 07:36 PM

??

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on March 02, 2014
at 05:46 PM

@raydawg I know it's easy and I am going to do that. I think you misunderstand. What I am asking is for someone who knows kiefers work to explain the science behind it, which rob wolf on his podcast supports and to explain the mechanisms and adaptions and how they differentiate from a paleo refeed.

Kiefer outlined a paleo way to do it online I just found but he seems to indicate it would be better to eat cherry turnovers, cereals and other very highly processed nutrient devoid foods that apparently are more effective at illiciting the proper hormone response.

I am not arguing in favour or against I would just like someone who can to explain the science and research because I find it interesting

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on March 02, 2014
at 05:08 PM

CALLING ALL BRAINIACS … If anyone can explain the science behind the pro junk and high glycemic stance Keifer has on the reefed 6 hour window GTFIH!

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on March 03, 2014
at 04:36 AM

"science behind the pro junk and high glycemic stance".... maybe there isn't any?

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on March 02, 2014
at 04:12 PM

WAIT. Not to be rude but that guy is an absolute moron. He ate 20 thousand calories of sugar. I would be eating the same calories but of high glycemic carbs in that scenario. Not trying to overdose on sugar like some crazy nut job.

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on March 03, 2014
at 05:16 AM

Yep it was a terrible decision, I don't recommend it. Although "crazy nut job" may be a little harsh...

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on March 02, 2014
at 04:06 PM

The thing is I am lifting weights and while I am getting leaner I still want to add some mass and keep adding to my strength pogress.

I would definitely like to keep to paleo if I can get the same results but Keifer really seems to push the idea that there is science behind the advice to eat insanely fast acting carbohydrate and carbs very high on the glycemic index.

I probably won't ever do it and will take lesser results for health reasons and stick to paleo but I was just wondering if he in fact does have any evidence to support those claims.

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on March 02, 2014
at 05:27 PM

yeah, so how do you do a carb refeed and still eat paleo? Easy. sweet potatoes, white rice, or even white potatoes. Lots of starchy veggies, and no grains.

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on March 02, 2014
at 03:44 PM

Nobody needs to cheat or to eat junk. Keifer's not paleo, and what he recommends doesn't apply to you if you wish to stick with paleo. The idea of a cheat day/night comes from Tim Ferris, also, not paleo.

Consuming doughnuts with industrial seed oils and trans fats doesn't say anything about how bad the gluten or the transfats are if all you're looking at is the insulin spike, nor does consuming a frozen yogurt with artificial flavors, colors, and a ton of sugar say anything about the ill effects of its toxins if all you're looking at is the insulin spike.

Use your judgement and look closely at what you're considering of putting in your mouth. Neither the doughnuts, nor the frozen yogurt are paleo. Insulin is the least of your worries there.

Don't do what this dude just did:

http://paleohacks.com/questions/515872/24-hours-of-hell-young-male-seriously-concerned-wi.html

If you want to consume a frozen yogurt or a bunch of doughnuts, make them yourself with paleo friendly ingredients. Use a full a fat yogurt that you've fermented at home with whole raw milk to start with, use real fruit, and if you're worried about insulin, you can use either xylitol (from non-corn sources), or stevia.

If you want doughnuts, use rice flour or coconut flour and coconut oil to fry them in. They won't be ideal foods, but they'll at least be somewhat better for you than the commercial versions as you can avoid gluten, trans fats, and other objectionable ingredients. You might still get a sugar spike from them, but hey, you can't have everything.

There's also this awesome "Get Some" ice cream that you could make instead of the frozen yogurt, which contains no dairy and has tons of egg yolks and will get you and your girl in the mood.

Or, you could stop and question yourself. Why would you want to eat fake junk foods, when instead, you can eat a nice grassfed bison ribeye topped with a pat of kerrygold butter, with some pastured bacon rashers, a couple of egg yolks, a chunk of liver pate, and a bake sweet potato for a side?

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on March 02, 2014
at 03:28 PM

any help guys?

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