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Hack my high-carb experiment

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created January 14, 2013 at 11:51 AM

hi friends, I was VLC for a few months after discovering Gary Taubes, then read Archevore and decided that was more sound (I don't hate GT or low-carbers or anything and respect that lifestyle, I'll probably do VLC again sometime)

anyway I'm tossing around the idea of eating around 60-70% of calories in "safe starches", and the rest being high quality fat/protein. just for fun and to see how I feel etc.

I think right now I eat 60% fat, 15% protein and 20% carb but I'm terrible at judging these things.

Still avoiding wheat, fructose and excess n-6 I'm thinking a big bowl of rice krispies (with half and half) for breakfast with a banana, a sweet potato for lunch, and another tuber with some kind of meat for dinner, or just eggs.

Please hack away.

B3173217a49b5b0116078775a17eb21d

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on January 14, 2013
at 07:09 PM

If you're going to eat like a kitavan, I hope that you're going to live like a kitavan.

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on January 14, 2013
at 06:38 PM

I've been a eating a VLC diet for almost 2 years, during which time I've reversed my T2 diabetes (HbA1c from 10.2% to 4.9%), lost 70lbs in weight, and cured a host of diabetic complications (neuropathy, balintis, IBS, sleep apnea). I'm happy to bet a large amount of money that my HbA1c is lower than non-diabetic diana's.

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on January 14, 2013
at 06:19 PM

Jesus. And you have the nerve to call me a troll... (a fat, cultist, lying troll). Welcome to Paleo Hacks diana.

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on January 14, 2013
at 05:10 PM

there are some people who benefit profoundly from VLC diets. i have been eating this way 90% of the time for well over two years and my health has not suffered at all.

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on January 14, 2013
at 03:26 PM

I agree completely. I don't get the whole VCL thing. The primal diet is supposed to be centered around ideal health yet so many do VCL because they say they lose fat. When was that most important?

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on January 14, 2013
at 02:09 PM

I took that as meaningt what the op proposes to eat, not eats presently...

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on January 14, 2013
at 01:53 PM

Also, puffed rice is probably fine for breakfast -- but ditch the rice krispes and go for a decent puffed rice without added sugar or barley malt.

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on January 14, 2013
at 01:52 PM

If that is really representative of your daily diet, I doubt you are anywhere near 60% fat. I threw your daily into fitday and you are 42%fat, 34% carbs, 24% protein -- and that assumes a 10oz steak for dinner. If it were a chicken breast than you are only at 33% fat, 38% carbs, 29% protein...

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on January 14, 2013
at 11:53 AM

Back away from the Rice Krispies!

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B3173217a49b5b0116078775a17eb21d

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on January 14, 2013
at 06:35 PM

How did you get from "Archevore" to "60-70% by carb"?

I'd take a look at Paul Jaminet's book - in which he does some calcs to show that the maximum amount of carbohydrate that your liver can process is about 150-160g (unless you are some sort of elite athlete).

Going above that amount isn't necessarily a bad thing, but your metabolism will have to start relying on secondary disposal pathways. The least harmful of these is de novo lipogenesis in which your liver will convert the excess carb to saturated fat. Jaminet argues, that if you're better off eating fat directly, than converting carbohydrates to fat. This is because the lipogenesis process is very slow, and causes hyperglycemia as the carbs are slowly converted to fat.

Jaminet, Harris, and Sissons all come up with different arguments for about 150g a day of carbohydrate as a reasonable maximum. In my own work with T2 diabetics I've also seen that 150g is about the maximum any diabetic can eat without suffering extreme hyperglycemia (most diabetics can eat far less).

B3173217a49b5b0116078775a17eb21d

(11488)

on January 14, 2013
at 07:09 PM

If you're going to eat like a kitavan, I hope that you're going to live like a kitavan.

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on January 14, 2013
at 01:21 PM

This is a very strange diet. Most traditional high carb diets were low in fat, and high in unprocessed carbohydrates.

Do some more research about carb-based traditional diets and try to follow their example.

I do think you are right to ditch VLC, a dangerous, unproven fad diet with no precedent in human history, unless you're ancestry is mostly Neandertal.

Best of luck.

B3173217a49b5b0116078775a17eb21d

(11488)

on January 14, 2013
at 06:19 PM

Jesus. And you have the nerve to call me a troll... (a fat, cultist, lying troll). Welcome to Paleo Hacks diana.

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on January 14, 2013
at 05:10 PM

there are some people who benefit profoundly from VLC diets. i have been eating this way 90% of the time for well over two years and my health has not suffered at all.

2e777bbcd49262eb31a24f821abec6bc

(1974)

on January 14, 2013
at 03:26 PM

I agree completely. I don't get the whole VCL thing. The primal diet is supposed to be centered around ideal health yet so many do VCL because they say they lose fat. When was that most important?

B3173217a49b5b0116078775a17eb21d

(11488)

on January 14, 2013
at 06:38 PM

I've been a eating a VLC diet for almost 2 years, during which time I've reversed my T2 diabetes (HbA1c from 10.2% to 4.9%), lost 70lbs in weight, and cured a host of diabetic complications (neuropathy, balintis, IBS, sleep apnea). I'm happy to bet a large amount of money that my HbA1c is lower than non-diabetic diana's.

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