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Anyone eat more than 150g of carbs in a day?

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Created January 31, 2012 at 6:08 PM

Anyone eat more than 150g (600 calories) of carbs in a day?

150g of carbs is mentioned in both the primal blueprint below as well as the Perfect Health Diet.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-to-succeed-with-the-primal-blueprint/#carb-curve

D3495cd9e3e7173f24e1dbee40774573

on March 15, 2012
at 08:59 PM

I do drink some- in the form of OJ. I eat rice and potatoes and fruit too.

8487a2f7fb8be0a568275667af0794c8

(494)

on March 03, 2012
at 02:45 AM

How? I eat a ton of starchy vegetables and I think I would have to start drinking them to even get close?

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(494)

on March 03, 2012
at 02:42 AM

Coconut milk is high in potassium. We don't need 150 grams of carbs to meet any macronutrient. People need to stop stressing.Eat whole foods, your body will figure its self out.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on March 02, 2012
at 10:43 PM

In November 2011 I lost 1" of belly and 1" off hips doing VLC bordering on ZC. I rocked Christmas pretty hard and put on some weight and water weight (too much cheese). February I added a whole yam, several pieces of fruit, the occasional sushi meal (with rice) and rolled my fat intake back a bit. I also added gelatin/broth and rolled back my meat a good deal. I lost 2" of chest (no more moobs), 4" off waist, 3" off hips and .5 off bicep (very clearly off the tricep pad of fat). I'd been averaging 3-4lbs a month without fail with low carb but my energy was just "ok" and my mood....

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on March 02, 2012
at 10:22 PM

Sory to chime in late here but Primal Danny and Jesusisjuba don't seem to understand "subjective". How can either of you say that Broccoli is delicious for EVERYONE? This is just silly....

Bdc6244bdbd664d2168a8e326018ffbe

(431)

on February 28, 2012
at 10:43 AM

Yeah, I'm starting to conclude that too. I gotta say, to my distress, I've noticed no effect from decreasing carbs, avoiding fructose, or decreasing PUFAs. A bit depressing.

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(12857)

on February 03, 2012
at 04:07 AM

OJ and white sugar

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(39821)

on February 02, 2012
at 05:18 PM

Danny: I find the recurring carbs=drugs theme to be fascinating. Carbs are drugs and no carbs is magic. I like it.

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(39821)

on February 02, 2012
at 05:17 PM

Eric: I think the real concern along those lines is insufficient antioxidant intake (which is really common with low-carb) or general mitochondrial dysfunction due either to atrophy from a sedentary lifestyle or malnutrition. Eating a tropical HG diet and lifting weights seems to be the way to go. All of the proposed longevity benefits of sitting around and eating no carbs are not rooted in any scientific fact. We observe too many long-lived cultures who exceed the glycogen repletion threshold every day and don't spontaneously combust (I'm looking at you, Japan).

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(39821)

on February 02, 2012
at 05:13 PM

Lucky: Yeah, I always forget that most here are trying to lose fat. Even so, many have stalled out on LCHF but still have a misplaced loyalty to it. We're not what we eat. It's not our identity. I rarely thought of myself as being "a vegan" I was just "[an idiot] who doesn't eat animal products." Letting our affiliations and habits define who we are is always a mistake. It's just food. When the protocol fails, change it, and when that fails, change it again. Keep changing it until the goal is reached.-

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(39821)

on February 02, 2012
at 05:11 PM

Lucky: Yeah, I always forget that most here are trying to lose fat. Even so, many have stalled out on LCHF but still have a misplaced loyalty to it. We're not what we eat. It's not our identity. I didn't think of myself as "being a vegan" I was just "and idiot who doesn't eat animal products." Letting our affiliations and habits define who we are is always a mistake. It's just food. When the protocol fails, change it, and when that fails, change it again. Keep changing it until the goal is reached.

Ccacf7567273244733bc991af4ac42ed

(5198)

on February 02, 2012
at 02:19 PM

And yes, let's see that guy do those exercises after carb loading, then why not run through other performance enhancing drugs, wouldn't that be exciting and not at all missing the point eh?

Ccacf7567273244733bc991af4ac42ed

(5198)

on February 02, 2012
at 02:11 PM

How can someone who's spent any time here at all, let alone gain all that reputation, come to the conclusion that it's all just energy? And being 50lbs off a goal weight suggests to me either something's wrong with the goal or that someone went way off-track and may not be the best guide.

5b69a02dadcae753771921d913909215

(1457)

on February 02, 2012
at 04:42 AM

I bed to differ and so do these guys: http://paleohacks.com/questions/23734/is-bad-flavor-a-defense-mechanism-in-itself#axzz1kZMLkwaX

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(20378)

on February 02, 2012
at 03:51 AM

Travis, If a person consumes more carbs then their body can use is there any downside for example ROS, oxidation, inflammation, etc...

1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

(20378)

on February 02, 2012
at 03:12 AM

What did you change to?

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on February 02, 2012
at 01:59 AM

Travis, I get it now. We've been talking past each other. You're trying to gain 50lbs. Wow. Totally different backgrounds and goals physiologically. Through the lens of that information, I see a bit more clearly where you're coming from.

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(39821)

on February 02, 2012
at 01:16 AM

Lucky: You can absolutely gain muscle while restricting carbs, but 3 steps forward and 2 back isn't how I roll. I want no steps back, especially since I've set a goal for increasing mass by 50 lbs. 300, 400 or 700g doesn't matter in a healthy person since it's just energy. Assuming no deficiency in micros or mitos, carbs in huge amounts are great, especially since we paleos are getting at least most of them from nutritious sources.

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(39821)

on February 02, 2012
at 12:39 AM

Do you exercise vicariously through that guy, Rose?

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on February 01, 2012
at 11:08 PM

though, according to my bodyfat measurements, I've lost very little muscle. My personal experience with glucose and performance has been that it makes a marginal difference and I believe that most people grossly overestimate how much. Secondly, why would the body need the amount of glucose for performance purposes that I hear bandied about on these boards- 300g, 400g, 700g? Unless you're Michael Phelps, I am really having a hard time understanding.

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on February 01, 2012
at 11:05 PM

Performance? Most people are interested in nutrition for longevity and wellness, not to chase some performance standard. That is a small subset of the population- especially here in the US. But since we're talking about performance, when I first began Paleo, I was VLC- I kept between 50-75g of carbs a day, sometimes lower. Granted, I was 80-90 lbs heavier but my lifts were actually better back then than they are now when my carb intake can get up to 300g on workout days. My bench back then was 315x6, squat 405x5 and DL 405x6. Across the board, my numbers are about 10-15% off those highs- even

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on February 01, 2012
at 10:54 PM

@rose- now lets see him do the exercises after carb loading.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on February 01, 2012
at 10:52 PM

Gaining lean mass yes but I was stalled out for a very long time eating the same amount of carbs from potatoes.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on February 01, 2012
at 10:51 PM

Yeah, this guy looks "totally hamstrung" by glucose avoidance: http://waroninsulin.com/nutrition/my-pet-peeve

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(39821)

on February 01, 2012
at 10:09 PM

I'm not talking about weight loss. Obviously carb restriction is an effective way for thousands of people to restrict their energy intake with less overall feelings of deprivation and greater satiety. This is indisputable. However, glucose avoidance is not glucose tolerance and glucose avoidance is not conducive to performance. Those who are highly active will be totally hamstrung by carb restriction. For them it is less healthy, whereas it is more healthy for a sedentary person.

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(3536)

on February 01, 2012
at 09:07 PM

I need to get to those numbers.

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on February 01, 2012
at 08:34 PM

That other weight loss plans didn't.

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on February 01, 2012
at 08:33 PM

How do you know this. To speak with such surety on matters that are complex and far from settled science is reckless. Particularly when other whose opinions are respected throughout the community- Jaminet, Guyanet and Wolf spring to mind- admit that though they don't know the particular mechanism, there's something to low carbing for obese subjects. They know that there have been too many cases where low carb has worked tremendously for obese for it just to be some aberration. They choose not to ignore the thousands upon thousands of formerly obese who have said that low carb did something

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(39821)

on February 01, 2012
at 08:04 PM

Restricting carbohydrates does nothing to improve glucose tolerance. Mitochondrial repopulation is the only answer. That you out-ate your TDEE has little to do with what your glucose tolerance was. If you worked out more with a higher intensity then, then you probably tolerated glucose better than you do now.

Ccacf7567273244733bc991af4ac42ed

(5198)

on February 01, 2012
at 07:30 PM

It implies you don't cook them. Genuine disgust at raw vegetables certainly suggests something wrong in the wiring.

23f79c5241be763ac583fc68d58ee02c

(250)

on February 01, 2012
at 06:34 PM

Doesn't raw imply that one doesn't "prepare" them? Perhaps they taste awful and you have to cover up the flavor with salt and sauces?

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on February 01, 2012
at 06:26 PM

having worked out vlc, lc, moderate carb and every variation thereof, Mike, i can pretty much tell you that getting glucoregulation issues resolved(by whatever mechanism they are fracked) through a paleo low carb approach was more effective than anything i've ever tried. looking around this board, i'd wager that i'm not alone in that experience.

23f79c5241be763ac583fc68d58ee02c

(250)

on February 01, 2012
at 06:08 PM

Lucky Bastard - As a former fat guy I have to say this sounds ify. Working out hard 5x a week with weights on a VLC sounds like a good way to have adrenal issues.

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on February 01, 2012
at 04:39 PM

tolerate= maintaining a weight while not worrying about macronutrients.

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on February 01, 2012
at 04:37 PM

gaining weight at an alarming weight if trying to eat them anywhere near the rate i do now. like i stated earlier, i work out half as much as i do now and tolerate an amount of carbohydrate that i never thought i would be able to. unlike my formerly fat, yet very active self...

Ccacf7567273244733bc991af4ac42ed

(5198)

on February 01, 2012
at 03:34 PM

And gaining weight nicely.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on February 01, 2012
at 03:08 PM

What does not being able to tolerate carbs entail? Are you diabetic?

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on February 01, 2012
at 02:53 PM

Travis! Raw kale and broccoli are delicious! Maybe you're just preparing them in a not so tasty manner :) Re: nutrition in veg/fruit, if you want to nerd out a bit: http://nutritiondata.self.com/tools/nutrient-search is cool as it helps find foods with highest/lowest concentrations of specific nutrients. PS: I'm over 150carbs a day

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on February 01, 2012
at 12:56 PM

The need for high levels of vitamin C is overstated.

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on February 01, 2012
at 10:37 AM

i work out half- maybe even less than half- as much now as i did when i weighed nearly a 100lbs more than i do now. even working out with weights and cardio 4-5x a week, i could not tolerate carbs. was that because i was sedentary? people love to throw scientific studies around here as if that's the final word, but the fact of the matter is, if the studies concerning obesity formed a full picture of the all the factors and mechanisms, this pervasive problem would have been licked long ago. i usually stay silent when it comes to these things but that above comment really rubbed me the wrong way

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on February 01, 2012
at 10:33 AM

@Travis, the reason that you get into tiffs with the LC crowd around here is because of comments like your previous one, which i read as low carb only being an effective for the sedentary. You come from a very different background than i. you are a former vegan who has had other issues to deal with in your journey. yet, you speak to the obese on this board who swear by LC(i used to be one of these before my body healed itself and i am now macronutrient agnostic) as only needing it because they don't work out enough. i can't speak for the others but this much i can tell you from my experience,

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on February 01, 2012
at 03:28 AM

its called red bell pepper....they are sweet enough to eat like an apple.

742ff8ba4ff55e84593ede14ac1c3cab

(3536)

on February 01, 2012
at 01:24 AM

I try to get at least 500 grams daily, anything less and I feel crappy. I am highly active, I probably need more than those 500.

75b3b900d09e555fc57b74ca24f7a76a

on January 31, 2012
at 11:06 PM

I'm glad to read the responses to this thread! I love veggies and fruit, and I've been finding it hard to try to keep carbs below 150....However, I feel great at 200-250, and it looks like many other people do well with over 150g per day, as well.

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(39821)

on January 31, 2012
at 10:39 PM

I rarely dip below 300g per day. Low-carb is a ridiculous red herring for the non-sedentary (i.e. healthy).

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(39821)

on January 31, 2012
at 10:36 PM

Vitamin C rapidly degrades in the presence of heat; raw broccoli and kale are disgusting.

76f3ead3aa977d876bcf3331d35a36e9

(4620)

on January 31, 2012
at 08:23 PM

Actually, vegetables may be a better source of vitamin C because there's not much glucose to compete for absorption. Broccoli, kale, etc. And most vegetables are pretty decent sources of potassium; spinach, kale, avocados, dulse, etc.

1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

(20378)

on January 31, 2012
at 08:21 PM

PHD recomends 100 grams of carbs with 150 as an upper limit. Sisson also lists 150 as an upper limit to avoid gaining weight.

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(6259)

on January 31, 2012
at 08:09 PM

The hubby and I vary between 125-175 grams/day for the past 6 months as part of PHD - usually on the higher end on weight training and higher activity days. We got to the body comp we wanted and are in maintenance stage.

1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

(20378)

on January 31, 2012
at 08:05 PM

It is just a question...

956bcad1d462d433a4e1e22f6e3355d5

(1191)

on January 31, 2012
at 08:04 PM

Crazy. When I just joined PH the ideas of Cordain were mainly present. Now it's looking more like PHD

7dc950fc76a046048e683d2a27dced37

on January 31, 2012
at 07:42 PM

Not every day but some days I do.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on January 31, 2012
at 07:31 PM

150 grams is more than double what your body likely requires to stay out of ketosis.

Ccacf7567273244733bc991af4ac42ed

(5198)

on January 31, 2012
at 07:28 PM

You absolutely categorically do not need to eat 150 grams of carbs every day in order to get enough vitamins or minerals. I'm sure you have plenty of personal experience, but there's always more to learn.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on January 31, 2012
at 07:05 PM

Usually 250-300 grams per day from sweet potato white potato, chocolate and squashes.

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76f3ead3aa977d876bcf3331d35a36e9

(4620)

on January 31, 2012
at 06:34 PM

Lately I've been experimenting with 200-250g/day with so far great results. The hair loss I've been experiencing these past few months stopped within a week, my mood seems more consistently positive, and I am able to handle stress much more efficiently. I usually do about 50/50 fruit/tubers, but I find I get the same benefits from all tubers/no fruit. I do fruit because it's tasty and is a bit easier on the ol' digestive system than 2 pounds of potatoes.

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47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

(9647)

on February 01, 2012
at 10:44 AM

I eat starch ad libitum as well, so I end up eating anywhere from 75g to 200g a day. My intuitions correspond pretty well to the basic PHD idea, though: if I eat more glucose than my body asks me to eat then I feel like I'm taking in an excess of a nutrient, the disposal of which costs my body some effort. I view fat as the neutral fuel.

I recognize that it is not the case that everyone else's body will be sending them the same messages.

By the way, I am pretty active: strength training 2-3 times a week; low-level cardio 2 times a week (bike, elliptical, etc.: 25 minutes or so, keeping the heart rate under 130); fair amount of walking, probably averaging 1.5 miles a day.

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A7768b6c6be7f5d6acc76e5efa66464c

on January 31, 2012
at 08:36 PM

I'd been low-carb paleo for the first several months, but recently added some "safe" starches back to my diet, which totally resolved some problems I'd been having.

But I wasn't sure how much I was eating, and your question prompted me to do a quick Cronometer analysis of what I ate yesterday (a typical day). Wow--WAKE UP CALL! I topped out at ~350 grams (after subtracting fiber)--235 of which came from rice or rice noodles! The rest was all healthy vegetables, fruit, and a bit of chocolate. With no supplements, I also hit 90% or better of all my nutritional targets except for the usual suspects: Vitamins D, E, K, and calcium.

Thanks for asking the question--I didn't really intend to eat that much, but it goes to show how poorly we can estimate what we're doing when we don't actually pay attention.

Fortunately, I haven't regained any of the 25 lbs I lost during the low-carb period.

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07c86972a3bea0b0dc17752e9d2f5642

on January 31, 2012
at 08:02 PM

I do. I used to keep track of macros and then I got fed up with being obsessed with food and I just eat whatever I want, which includes lots of fruit, potatoes, rice and nuts. None of the paleo wisdom against starch, fructose and PUFAs from nuts has panned out for me.

Bdc6244bdbd664d2168a8e326018ffbe

(431)

on February 28, 2012
at 10:43 AM

Yeah, I'm starting to conclude that too. I gotta say, to my distress, I've noticed no effect from decreasing carbs, avoiding fructose, or decreasing PUFAs. A bit depressing.

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96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on January 31, 2012
at 07:58 PM

Right now I've been cycling between high-meat days and high-carb (greens/fruit) days. I'm not doing so as a matter of tactics but one of appetite.

Having a little bit of everything works well many days but sometimes I just want more greens and fruit and if I still eat my full portions of meat and fat I'll be stuffed so I skip the meat. Other times I'm really hungry for meat and it looks/smells great so I skip the carbs and eat a double portion of the meat.

Honestly, I really don't worry about arbitrary limits as long as I avoid SAD foods--whatever I'm hungry for is what I eat.

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E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on February 01, 2012
at 03:10 PM

Last time I checked I was getting ~700g

742ff8ba4ff55e84593ede14ac1c3cab

(3536)

on February 01, 2012
at 09:07 PM

I need to get to those numbers.

1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

(20378)

on February 02, 2012
at 03:12 AM

What did you change to?

Ccacf7567273244733bc991af4ac42ed

(5198)

on February 01, 2012
at 03:34 PM

And gaining weight nicely.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on February 01, 2012
at 10:52 PM

Gaining lean mass yes but I was stalled out for a very long time eating the same amount of carbs from potatoes.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on February 03, 2012
at 04:07 AM

OJ and white sugar

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66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

on February 01, 2012
at 10:25 AM

I eat starch ad libitum and get over 150g almost everyday and closer to 300g on some days though that feels like a bit too much in my body in relation to the amount of fat I'm eating. Choose your energy wisely.

Edit: Heavy weight training twice a week. Stretching and yoga when needed.

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on January 31, 2012
at 06:22 PM

Cliff eats that before he even wakes up! He absorbs them by sleeping on a pillow filled with organic white rice.

Just playing Cliff...

But seriously, I eat probably just at 150gm of starches over the course of two days, friday and saturday... as I have a heavy gym day on Saturdays. That means Friday evening I'll have two potatoes, and saturday morning I'll have the same. This is in addition to my normal load of veggies, and post-workout on Saturday I'll put down a pint of coconut water (16 carbs/8oz IIRC).

The rest of the week I eat quite low (but not as low as others) - probably staying sub-80 carbs total, and the majority of them are vegetables. I eat no starchy fruits whatsoever, and rarely eat very sweet fruits like apples unless they come with some fat (fried apples and onions on liver... yum!).

This is my own play of the CKD, but a bit more moderate (I stay in mild ketone production and only push it if I've got a particularly bad batch of inflammation.)

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Da3d4a6835c0f5256b2ef829b3ba3393

on February 02, 2012
at 02:07 AM

I have no idea what my totals are per day. I eat what I feel like eating, every day.

We're all at different places. I've been an extremely active and health conscious guy all my life and I'm sure that has an impact on where I am now, at age 46. I've never not been in shape.

I eat according to "paleo" principles but I absolutely don't know how many grams of what that I'm eating.

I've actually come to a conclusion that, FOR ME, eating real whole foods is all I need to worry about, macronutrients be damned. (Hope I'm right!)

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Ccacf7567273244733bc991af4ac42ed

on January 31, 2012
at 06:20 PM

Yes, a lot of people do. I'm sure I have done so on many days.

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D5c8768927c463b363b109f18b7c16c4

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on February 02, 2012
at 09:03 AM

Yep, over 500g every day. Anything less and I don't feel my best.

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on February 01, 2012
at 04:51 PM

i do, this is the carbs typically found in six serving of fruit. may seem like a lot and most days i just eat two serving of fruit but i loose tons of weight. maybe im just more active than those that dont eat fruit. im pretty certain my paleo ancestor didnt pass up an opportunity to gorge on any fruit they could eat. they had competition for fruit from other species and im sure the lions rested under the fruit for a rerason.

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3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on February 01, 2012
at 03:31 AM

no....i don't. Even on days that i eat a tator or some fruit i find i stay bellow that level. No issues for me so i'm not interested in changing that.

Edit: For sake of energy use yesterday was 175g fat....123g carbs.....161g protein. Strength train HIT style 1-2x/week. Active job on my feet all day, but not hard labor. Plenty of energy to take my kids to karate class or jump on the trampoline with em after work. I'm mid thirties and not trying to "bulk up" or anything though.

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32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on January 31, 2012
at 07:47 PM

I have been eating at that level (150-200 grams) about half the time now. Been titrating in some addition rice, potatoes, fruit and am not seeing any reason to restrict those much. The rest of the time I'm in the 80-100 gram ballpark.

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on January 31, 2012
at 07:30 PM

yes, everyday.

but why is it important to you? may you could tell us the purpose of your question! might be interesting

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on January 31, 2012
at 06:41 PM

Um, this is a little disturbing, why wouldn't you eat 150+ grams of carbohydrates per day. This is not a healthy level for achieving a good micronutrient load, mainly Vitamin C and potassium. Yes your body can produce ketones from fat and protein to keep glucose levels up but why would you deprive your body of valuable nutrients. My main concern is that you aren't eating enough fruit which is the main source of dietary potassium and vitamin C. Secondly, your body is probably just converting your added protein into glucose because our bodies prefer glucose for fuel. I have tons of experience with paleo, I've lost over 30 pounds by following a strict paleo, low carb diet, but I definitely have been doing better with more fruit and vegetables and limiting the meat to what I truly need. I'm a 160lb athlete so I shoot for over 100 grams of protein per day, i find that anything over about 150 grams is just over-doing it. Juices and fruits are high in carbs, but their micronutrients are utilized by our bodies much better than whatever nutrients are seen in the meat and fish we eat. I wouldn't recommend anything lower than about 150 grams of carbs. My current macros are about 130g Protein, 300g Carbs, and 120g Fat. This equates to about 2,800 Kcalories, I find my best range is between 2,500-3,000 calories a day. And as long as you are sure to make these calories count and be nutrient rich, you won't stop getting health benefits. Being in a state of weight loss for a prolonged period of time is very hard on your body and releases all of the old toxins that we accumulate from processed food, pesticides, etc. An occasional week of caloric surplus will only help your body not come accustomed to a single diet plan. Just my two cents.

Ccacf7567273244733bc991af4ac42ed

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on January 31, 2012
at 07:28 PM

You absolutely categorically do not need to eat 150 grams of carbs every day in order to get enough vitamins or minerals. I'm sure you have plenty of personal experience, but there's always more to learn.

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on January 31, 2012
at 10:36 PM

Vitamin C rapidly degrades in the presence of heat; raw broccoli and kale are disgusting.

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on January 31, 2012
at 07:31 PM

150 grams is more than double what your body likely requires to stay out of ketosis.

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on February 01, 2012
at 07:30 PM

It implies you don't cook them. Genuine disgust at raw vegetables certainly suggests something wrong in the wiring.

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(1457)

on February 02, 2012
at 04:42 AM

I bed to differ and so do these guys: http://paleohacks.com/questions/23734/is-bad-flavor-a-defense-mechanism-in-itself#axzz1kZMLkwaX

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(4620)

on January 31, 2012
at 08:23 PM

Actually, vegetables may be a better source of vitamin C because there's not much glucose to compete for absorption. Broccoli, kale, etc. And most vegetables are pretty decent sources of potassium; spinach, kale, avocados, dulse, etc.

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on February 01, 2012
at 06:34 PM

Doesn't raw imply that one doesn't "prepare" them? Perhaps they taste awful and you have to cover up the flavor with salt and sauces?

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(18635)

on February 01, 2012
at 03:28 AM

its called red bell pepper....they are sweet enough to eat like an apple.

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on February 01, 2012
at 02:53 PM

Travis! Raw kale and broccoli are delicious! Maybe you're just preparing them in a not so tasty manner :) Re: nutrition in veg/fruit, if you want to nerd out a bit: http://nutritiondata.self.com/tools/nutrient-search is cool as it helps find foods with highest/lowest concentrations of specific nutrients. PS: I'm over 150carbs a day

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on February 01, 2012
at 12:56 PM

The need for high levels of vitamin C is overstated.

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on March 02, 2012
at 10:22 PM

Sory to chime in late here but Primal Danny and Jesusisjuba don't seem to understand "subjective". How can either of you say that Broccoli is delicious for EVERYONE? This is just silly....

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(494)

on March 03, 2012
at 02:42 AM

Coconut milk is high in potassium. We don't need 150 grams of carbs to meet any macronutrient. People need to stop stressing.Eat whole foods, your body will figure its self out.

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on March 02, 2012
at 10:31 PM

No, not even close. I have both those books but neither applies in my case so I'm <50 long term. My docs advice is VLC as well. I was insulin resistant with trigs in LEO (low-Earth orbit) and very high insulin. Plus I'm one of those ex-obese with low calorie requirements, so 50 g crabs for me is a lot. As a rule, I take whatever advice I read on max carbs and cut it in half. If 200 is proven optimum, I'll do 100.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on March 02, 2012
at 10:20 PM

I have been for the last month. I probably have 2 large apples, a whole yam, a bowl of berries and various veg. on average each day.

I'm still around 300lbs but my weight loss didn't stall, it actually has sped up.

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on March 02, 2012
at 10:04 PM

About 300g. I'm an averaged sized female, I don't work out at the moment (I might again in the spring when I feel like it), although I walk a lot.

8487a2f7fb8be0a568275667af0794c8

(494)

on March 03, 2012
at 02:45 AM

How? I eat a ton of starchy vegetables and I think I would have to start drinking them to even get close?

D3495cd9e3e7173f24e1dbee40774573

on March 15, 2012
at 08:59 PM

I do drink some- in the form of OJ. I eat rice and potatoes and fruit too.

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