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4000+ calories per day vegan diet. How?

Commented on May 10, 2014
Created May 06, 2014 at 10:16 AM

I was watching YouTube and there's a Vegan guy who eats 4000+ calories per day. He logs what he eats into some website and he's getting about 1000g of carbs, 80g of protein and 15g of fat every day. He's slim too, no problem with body fat at all. How is it possible to not be huge with that much food?

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on May 10, 2014
at 12:40 AM

haha, the world would do well with a few of my posts deleted.

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on May 09, 2014
at 10:03 AM

Because you bothered to go through all the work of debunking that moron with his fake duplicated cups of rice, so, why would I erase your hard work?

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on May 07, 2014
at 09:15 PM

It would be attractive to vegan advocates because most people would want to eat the same number of calories that they do now while being lean and ostensibly healthy.

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on May 07, 2014
at 08:51 PM

Eating 4000 calories a day is the modern American diet. Why is eating piggishly attractive to paleo or vegan? It only serves to make oneself another ugly American at the trough. Beyond that the excess carbs have to pass out the bowels or kidneys unused.

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on May 07, 2014
at 05:23 PM

Because he lets me be the "bad guy".

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on May 07, 2014
at 03:16 PM

Ray, you've got the diamond, why not use it?

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on May 07, 2014
at 10:39 AM

*I care* paleohacks is polluted with enough bullshit already.

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on May 06, 2014
at 03:02 PM

Ok, I have gone through 5 videos (it's a slow day today). At most he is eating 2200 calories. He has no idea what a "cup" of rice is. He talked about going through a 5lb bag a week!!! A 5 lbs bag of dry rice is about 30 cups of cooked rice. That's 4 cups per day --- way more than I eat, but considerably less than the "12 cups" he claims he's eating. Also, 30 cups of rice is ~ 6500 kCal way less than teh 18000 he claims.

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on May 06, 2014
at 02:47 PM

I don't think so. He's calling into question the demonetization of vegan diets (although not in a particularly diligent way) and that's pretty on-topic IMO. I think people get carried away with the "off topic" remarks here. Who cares if it's off topic? We're a forum and we talk about health and nutrition. If he was asking about scuba lessons I'd agree.

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on May 06, 2014
at 02:09 PM

Keep going through his videos.

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at 02:04 PM

and according to fitday, his estimate of the caloric load of 12 cups of rice is 1.75 times higher than fitday's

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on May 06, 2014
at 02:03 PM

which is, maybe 600 calories in 1/3 of his meals for the day. Where do the other 3400 calories

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on May 06, 2014
at 02:00 PM

Claims 12 cups of rice eaten in one day. Showed about 1.5 cups of rice.

Claims .25 cup of syrup, shows maybe 2 tbsp

He's a moron who does not know how to count.

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on May 06, 2014
at 01:59 PM

It's complete BS. He shows about 1/2 cup of rice (if that) and claims that it's 2 cups of cooked rice. Adds about 2 tbsp of syrup and calls it 1/2 cup.

Then he calls white rice with a tbsp of maple syrup and a sprinkle of cinnamon (which he calls "sugar") a "Traditional Asian meal"

Then he shows the same bowl of rice three times (I can tell by the stain on it) and claims that he's eating three bowls. It's only one bowl! He just changes the amount of veggies he's showing.

I fast forwarded a bit, and put his first three meals into fitday and he's eating about 1100 calories.

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on May 06, 2014
at 01:56 PM

Don't believe everything you read/see. 1) This guy could just be making it up. Unlikely, but vegans are attention whores. 2) Don't buy into the carbs make you fat mantra… excess calories fatten you up, this guy obviously is active enough to need those calories.

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on May 06, 2014
at 01:52 PM

Also, in one of his vids, he eats 1lb of pasta with tomato sauce. And that was just for his dinner! I can't remember which one.

9a01685f37cc2328756a401434e240fc

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on May 06, 2014
at 01:49 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozivcp4-wd0 - this is no joke. He logs all of it and has about 30 days worth of these on youtube. He's been eating like this for 3 years and he's trim. That's why I can't understand.

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on May 06, 2014
at 01:32 PM

It's probably activity factors as well. It certainly is possible to burn 1000s of calories a day in activity. It really doesn't matter at that point if it's fat or carb calories.

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on May 06, 2014
at 01:31 PM

If you don't get fat when "overeating", I question if you're even overeating.

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on May 06, 2014
at 01:08 PM

Typical of a vegan to pick the worst starches, but probably lots of hempseeds. I burn through 1000 cals a day of starch and maintain my weight. Low carb is mostly beneficial for weight loss, but once that's over not so much.

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Maybe. Resistant starch = uncooked starch.

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on May 07, 2014
at 07:43 PM

Probably simply overreporting in an attempt to make the vegan religion seem more attractive. I will say, however, that overshooting calorically (with carbs) with very low fat intakes results in a miniscule amount of de novo lipogenesis, so each day's fat storage will be negligible. Most people get fat with high carb alongside high fat. Fat cells are revolving doors with fatty acids moving in and out of them constantly.

If you eat high fat but low carb, you store the fat you eat postprandially but you also burn a lot of it since everything has to be fueled by it.

If you eat high carb but very low fat, you store very little fat postprandially (because there just isn't much available) but burn much less than the previous example because once glycogen is maxed out, the carbs have to be dealt with, so everything switches to CHO as an energy substrate. Same thing happens with ethanol. It's so inefficient to convert carbs to fat that it makes more sense evolutionarily to just use it to fuel everything temporarily.

Both of those aren't palatable for the average person, so they eat high fat and high carb, store most of the fat permanently and then burn little of it.

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on May 07, 2014
at 08:51 PM

Eating 4000 calories a day is the modern American diet. Why is eating piggishly attractive to paleo or vegan? It only serves to make oneself another ugly American at the trough. Beyond that the excess carbs have to pass out the bowels or kidneys unused.

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on May 07, 2014
at 09:15 PM

It would be attractive to vegan advocates because most people would want to eat the same number of calories that they do now while being lean and ostensibly healthy.

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on May 06, 2014
at 02:35 PM

Who cares! Why ask this on a paleo forum! It's offtopic for here!

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on May 06, 2014
at 02:47 PM

I don't think so. He's calling into question the demonetization of vegan diets (although not in a particularly diligent way) and that's pretty on-topic IMO. I think people get carried away with the "off topic" remarks here. Who cares if it's off topic? We're a forum and we talk about health and nutrition. If he was asking about scuba lessons I'd agree.

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on May 06, 2014
at 01:17 PM

The confusing part, I believe, is largely due to individual differences.

Some people do not get fat when they over eat, whether it be SAD or vegan.

EDIT: Here's a cool video of over feeding skinny people:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAQr77QMJiw

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on May 06, 2014
at 01:31 PM

If you don't get fat when "overeating", I question if you're even overeating.

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on May 06, 2014
at 01:16 PM

Because he's lying. If you ate an entire 1 lb box of past you are getting 338g carbs. that is such an absurd amount of food -- and he's eating 3 of those? It's called falsifying data on youtube.

I can easily see someone eating over 4000 calories -- just not 1000g of carbs.

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on May 06, 2014
at 01:52 PM

Also, in one of his vids, he eats 1lb of pasta with tomato sauce. And that was just for his dinner! I can't remember which one.

9a01685f37cc2328756a401434e240fc

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on May 06, 2014
at 02:09 PM

Keep going through his videos.

9a01685f37cc2328756a401434e240fc

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on May 06, 2014
at 01:49 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozivcp4-wd0 - this is no joke. He logs all of it and has about 30 days worth of these on youtube. He's been eating like this for 3 years and he's trim. That's why I can't understand.

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on May 06, 2014
at 01:03 PM

This isn't raw vegan. It's pasta, rice, veggies, fruit. It's confusing.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on May 06, 2014
at 01:32 PM

It's probably activity factors as well. It certainly is possible to burn 1000s of calories a day in activity. It really doesn't matter at that point if it's fat or carb calories.

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on May 06, 2014
at 01:08 PM

Typical of a vegan to pick the worst starches, but probably lots of hempseeds. I burn through 1000 cals a day of starch and maintain my weight. Low carb is mostly beneficial for weight loss, but once that's over not so much.

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32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on May 06, 2014
at 12:25 PM

Raw vegan? Raw food diets generally are so poorly digested that you don't get much of the calories or nutrition from food.

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on May 06, 2014
at 01:00 PM

Maybe. Resistant starch = uncooked starch.

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on May 06, 2014
at 10:39 AM

Exercise probably.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2012/07/24/157317262/how-many-calories-do-olympic-athletes-need-it-depends

Why would you want to eat 4000 calories a day? That's the SAD logic that creates obesity. Not the way our food-challenged ancestors ate. Unless you're doing a lot of hunting-and-gathering you don't need that much.

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