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Paleo and HIV/AIDS

Answered on December 11, 2014
Created June 23, 2011 at 2:45 AM

Hi, I am looking for information about Paleo nutrition benefits in regards to HIV and AIDS. Any articles that speak on the interaction of HIV medications, dietary concerns with regards to HIV coinfections (yeast infections, candida, toxoplasmosis, gout, etc) and auto immune issues would be great. Thanks for any help, this will greatly benefit the population I work with.

9dd4d453f7ebd7fd2a82814d08fc8f17

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on July 05, 2012
at 02:15 PM

i started meds late april this yr and the itch started in june... doesn't seem like a typical atripla rash cuz it's itchy first then scratch then bumps. i talked to my doctor and he clearly isn't sure as well lol

58a46496b84d6686df23c7ef01ea14dc

(20)

on July 04, 2012
at 05:00 PM

If you have been on meds for a while I wouldn't think this would be related to it, but could be a bit of a skin infection. I'd bring it up with your health care provider. :)

9dd4d453f7ebd7fd2a82814d08fc8f17

(581)

on June 30, 2012
at 03:42 PM

hey primal dog, i have a question. in the last few weeks i have been very itch around my eyebrows, jaw line, below the ears and back of neck, upper chest. and if i stretch, red-ish bumps like hives appear. is that part of the side effect?

9dd4d453f7ebd7fd2a82814d08fc8f17

(581)

on June 30, 2012
at 03:26 PM

i don't take my atripla with meals usually, but sometimes my digestion is slow and they run into each other in my body lol

58a46496b84d6686df23c7ef01ea14dc

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on June 29, 2012
at 11:16 PM

Just to clarify - some meds (ie Atripla) shoudln't be taken with meals (take meds 1 hour before or 2 hours after food) and others require food to be absorbed (ie Reyataz and certain other PIs). The meds and HIV itself can change lipid profiles and the general treatment is statins or fibrates, but I think a good paleo diet would also do wonders for cholesterol numbers. (I'm a pharmacist in an HIV clinic)

58a46496b84d6686df23c7ef01ea14dc

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on June 29, 2012
at 11:09 PM

Curious what your profession is... I'm a pharmacist working in an HIV clinic. Have been interested in seeing how diet plays a role in immunocompromised patients.

782d92f4127823bdfb2ddfcbcf961d0e

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on June 29, 2012
at 04:30 PM

I thought that I would take a peek at your response as I'm a non-practicing pharmacist. Kudos to you and hope you continue to do well.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 22, 2011
at 10:54 AM

Vitamin C intervenously will probably help. Medical marijuana for appetite. See http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/vitcaids.htm

Ed983a42344945b1ff70fd9597a23493

on June 23, 2011
at 07:37 AM

He's definitely not vegan...he talks about fermenting meat!

9759643ce5d97ab8fa649ae954656c4c

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on June 23, 2011
at 04:04 AM

You're right! For some reason I thought he referred to his meat and dairy consumption in past tense in his book. When he talked about the fermented meat (at the symposium I recently attended) he talked about it like he didn't eat meat anymore, but perhaps I misunderstood. :)

3a512dd276965608b7a7f42df935375b

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on June 23, 2011
at 03:48 AM

he is not vegan I am pretty sure he is into sally fallon and stuff. In his book he talks about eating dairy and goat meat and says he is a reformed vegetarian. He glows with health because he lives close to the land in a spiritually and emotionally supportive community. Every radical Fiery I have met is glowing with good vibes and health.

9759643ce5d97ab8fa649ae954656c4c

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on June 23, 2011
at 03:37 AM

I think Sandor might be vegan. I don't know if it's the addition of all the wild ferments he consumes, but I saw him recently in the flesh and he's the picture of robust health. He absolutely glows, and not in a transparent, sickly vegan way. I think it really says something about fermentation and live cultures in foods as a way to possibly counteract health risks of what we would consider a suboptimal diet. But that's total conjecture on my part. Whatever the case, I agree that he's a great contact for nutritional info and AIDS health.

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on June 23, 2011
at 03:14 AM

I don't have anything on diet specifically, but this article on HIV/AIDS and Vitamin D might help too: http://www.aidsmap.com/Vitamin-D-deficiency-associated-with-disease-progression-for-patients-with-HIV/page/1779122/

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3a512dd276965608b7a7f42df935375b

(70)

on June 23, 2011
at 03:15 AM

Sandor Ellix Katz the Author of wild fermentation is positive and may have some specific recommendations. I don't believe he is paleo maybe more WPF/nourishing traditions. I imagine he may be good to contact personally as I think he would be more than happy to help you out.

http://www.wildfermentation.com/

3a512dd276965608b7a7f42df935375b

(70)

on June 23, 2011
at 03:48 AM

he is not vegan I am pretty sure he is into sally fallon and stuff. In his book he talks about eating dairy and goat meat and says he is a reformed vegetarian. He glows with health because he lives close to the land in a spiritually and emotionally supportive community. Every radical Fiery I have met is glowing with good vibes and health.

9759643ce5d97ab8fa649ae954656c4c

(3325)

on June 23, 2011
at 03:37 AM

I think Sandor might be vegan. I don't know if it's the addition of all the wild ferments he consumes, but I saw him recently in the flesh and he's the picture of robust health. He absolutely glows, and not in a transparent, sickly vegan way. I think it really says something about fermentation and live cultures in foods as a way to possibly counteract health risks of what we would consider a suboptimal diet. But that's total conjecture on my part. Whatever the case, I agree that he's a great contact for nutritional info and AIDS health.

Ed983a42344945b1ff70fd9597a23493

on June 23, 2011
at 07:37 AM

He's definitely not vegan...he talks about fermenting meat!

9759643ce5d97ab8fa649ae954656c4c

(3325)

on June 23, 2011
at 04:04 AM

You're right! For some reason I thought he referred to his meat and dairy consumption in past tense in his book. When he talked about the fermented meat (at the symposium I recently attended) he talked about it like he didn't eat meat anymore, but perhaps I misunderstood. :)

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9dd4d453f7ebd7fd2a82814d08fc8f17

on June 29, 2012
at 03:19 PM

hi amina.

i have been hiv+ for a little over 5yrs now, 3yrs ago i stopped eating grains and tubers as well (and 1.5yrs ago cut out fruits as well), and just recently started meds. here's some experiences i had.

my cd4 was always lower than 200 and in fact it was 120 to start five yrs ago and then in the last yr it was below 100. but i didn't get pcp which as u should know a lot of pos ppl with low cd4 should get. i would like to think is the diet that was helping me because i didn't even get much opportunistic infections - no open sores, no opportunistic bleed infection (MAC), etc. but because of my vegan past combined with a few too many rounds of antibiotics, i do have candida and been fighting it since 3yrs ago when i stopped eating grains and such. when my cd4 was 30-40 (2-3 months ago), my pharmacist, upon meeting me for the first time to register me for meds, said to me, "wow, u look pretty good for someone who has such a low cd4." i was eating lots of animal fat (mostly lard) and secondary fatty beef twice a day (two meals a day, two something thousand cals a day combined).

in terms of hiv meds interaction with paleo, there unfortunately is one that i know of. fatty meals intensify the side effects of most meds but just the dizziness and the "stoned" feeling of it. and it greatly depends of when did u have ur meal and when r u taking ur meds. (i'm on atripla if u were wondering)

i feel that i'm really lucky knowing this diet because it really feels like it's helping me making my body stronger (remember i said "feel", not "know" though lol) and because supposedly this diet is easy on the body i feel like my liver and kidneys will have a better chance for surviving the meds' toxins over time.

my doctor is checking my cholesterol with every blood test and it's fine. except my HDL is a little tiny bit LOW lol

if u have any more question, just leave a message here and i'll try to come back and check :))

and i just wanted to say, if alot of ur clients r pos and u'r trying to spread the paleo knowledge, that is just awesome! thank you so much! :))

58a46496b84d6686df23c7ef01ea14dc

(20)

on June 29, 2012
at 11:16 PM

Just to clarify - some meds (ie Atripla) shoudln't be taken with meals (take meds 1 hour before or 2 hours after food) and others require food to be absorbed (ie Reyataz and certain other PIs). The meds and HIV itself can change lipid profiles and the general treatment is statins or fibrates, but I think a good paleo diet would also do wonders for cholesterol numbers. (I'm a pharmacist in an HIV clinic)

9dd4d453f7ebd7fd2a82814d08fc8f17

(581)

on June 30, 2012
at 03:42 PM

hey primal dog, i have a question. in the last few weeks i have been very itch around my eyebrows, jaw line, below the ears and back of neck, upper chest. and if i stretch, red-ish bumps like hives appear. is that part of the side effect?

782d92f4127823bdfb2ddfcbcf961d0e

(5231)

on June 29, 2012
at 04:30 PM

I thought that I would take a peek at your response as I'm a non-practicing pharmacist. Kudos to you and hope you continue to do well.

9dd4d453f7ebd7fd2a82814d08fc8f17

(581)

on June 30, 2012
at 03:26 PM

i don't take my atripla with meals usually, but sometimes my digestion is slow and they run into each other in my body lol

58a46496b84d6686df23c7ef01ea14dc

(20)

on July 04, 2012
at 05:00 PM

If you have been on meds for a while I wouldn't think this would be related to it, but could be a bit of a skin infection. I'd bring it up with your health care provider. :)

9dd4d453f7ebd7fd2a82814d08fc8f17

(581)

on July 05, 2012
at 02:15 PM

i started meds late april this yr and the itch started in june... doesn't seem like a typical atripla rash cuz it's itchy first then scratch then bumps. i talked to my doctor and he clearly isn't sure as well lol

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Fc0e105304001dc24d2a95bd1b31d038

on June 30, 2011
at 12:39 AM

I have found the following link about a study done on Coconut Oil and HIV Viral Loads, in case anyone is interested.

http://www.coconutoil.com/Dayrit.pdf

Aloha!

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Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 23, 2011
at 03:10 AM

Paleo supports most of the hormones in the human hypothalamus. GH deficiency is a big issue in AIDS patients on their meds. They also cause lipodystrophy themselves. Also vitamin D levels need to be maximized and leaky gut minimized to get better sleep and maximize immunity. All in all I think Paleo eating is ideal for those with HIV. I do think however that hormone optimization is a big deal as well for optimization in HIV. Good Luck and great question. Plus one.

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8be7a492e2844e2ad5595a6c73974f99

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on June 23, 2011
at 02:49 AM

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/index.php

Bee doesn't talk about HIV, but she does go in depth concerning healing candida and viruses through proper diet. (no grains, legumes, nuts, seeds, dairy)

That will get you rolling. good luck!

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