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Have you had chemo? How paleo do you think one could stay?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created June 14, 2012 at 12:03 AM

I start chemo on Friday, June 15th, 2012. I'm told I will probably be nauseous during chemo since I was when pregnant and I'm young enough (47) that it will affect me this way. I have frozen a lot of homemade chicken broth and some beef broth (all from pastured animals of course). I have some coconut milk I can stomach but I figure I may have to thin it quite a bit with water. I'd love to hear from survivors of chemo for any reason (cancer, wegener's, lupus, RA, whatever...) and whether you were paleo before and if you felt it was of concern to stay at all paleo thru chemo. If you weren't paleo, do you now, as a paleo eater, think you could have stayed somewhat on track or at least eaten decent food? I have celiac disease also so between that and a cancerous tumor (removed), I'm fairly orthorexic right now. Words of encouragement also appreciated. Thanks!

D45e43b08cd99a04f5d4294a871e1078

(1010)

on June 20, 2012
at 01:18 PM

I won't ever get cancer either because it's not real, it's made up, or at least it's not what you think it is. It's much more about the big picture of having good health, versus bad health. Cancer is not going to one day take over your body and kill you, that is brainwashing of the smart, and elite, to empty your pockets of money.

D45e43b08cd99a04f5d4294a871e1078

(1010)

on June 20, 2012
at 01:15 PM

^ Prove to me how "cancer" is what is causing someone to be sick. There's much more empirical evidence that it's an unnatural diet that causes debilitating health. Also, it seems most people go in to doctors with minor health problems that from some test turn out to be cancer, and undergo treatment, and often get worse. Were they that sick in the first place? Don't fix something if it's not broken. I still haven't heard - what are the symptoms of cancer? There's so many illnesses and disease being pumped out with drug companies competing to make treatments for them all to become rich.

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on June 20, 2012
at 08:05 AM

Your answer made me think of this: http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/35dxhb/

D45e43b08cd99a04f5d4294a871e1078

(1010)

on June 18, 2012
at 01:31 PM

^how do I not know?

D7ec5ab98a0b971f9e24b4e654abfa7d

on June 17, 2012
at 04:24 PM

Henry, I'm going to say this as gently as I can: You do not have a f*cking clue what you are talking about.

D7ec5ab98a0b971f9e24b4e654abfa7d

on June 16, 2012
at 12:22 AM

yay Vulcan eyebrows!

94480caec9fbbaacc386d86a45efa720

(1007)

on June 15, 2012
at 11:46 AM

missmaisy you are spot on. I'll be getting the neulasta (filgrastim?) shot the following day and having labs at nadir. My plan for my eyebrows is to draw them in Vulcan style.

D7ec5ab98a0b971f9e24b4e654abfa7d

on June 15, 2012
at 10:39 AM

Re: the kombucha & kefir -- as long as the "good" bacteria stay in your gut where they belong, it shouldn't be a problem. And though chemo is obviously not great for your immune system, you shouldn't be at really high risk for infection unless you become neutropenic (low neutrophil [the white blood cells that fight infection] count). You'll probably get a shot called Neulasta the day after chemo which reduces your risk of neutropenia, and you'll be getting labs checked regularly so you'll know if by chance you are neutropenic. Double check with your onc or onc's nurse though.

Eea6a68f5a7190d13c60e1c72417a581

(1376)

on June 15, 2012
at 10:35 AM

Where is the compassion in your statements?

D7ec5ab98a0b971f9e24b4e654abfa7d

on June 15, 2012
at 10:33 AM

AC->T *is* considered a moderately to highly emetogenic (nausea-inducing) treatment. The "good" news is that everyone knows that, and aggressive nausea prevention is the standard. You should be getting at least 2, probably 3, drugs the day of chemo, and then go home with pills to take -- TAKE THEM. I know plenty of women who have had no issues with nausea on AC->T. Fatigue and brain fog are much more bothersome for most -- and the hair loss, which thanks to the Adriamycin is usually total (eyebrows, eyelashes & nose hairs included -- gah!).

D45e43b08cd99a04f5d4294a871e1078

(1010)

on June 15, 2012
at 08:37 AM

^what r u talking about? Both points are being made, not just one. About about the cougars, EXACTLY! Animals living close to human civilzation, lots of human food they are probably eating, causing the sickness. Most animals in remote, dense, wilderness, don't look like they have rabbies, but animals surrounding humans often do. It would make sense for mountain lions close to where you live to be sick.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on June 15, 2012
at 05:33 AM

Also, make a decision: either cancer doesn't exist OR you won't get it if you eat primarily raw. Commit to the point you are trying to make, no matter how little sense it makes.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on June 15, 2012
at 05:32 AM

Well I guess the epidemic of cat leukemia in cougars in my local area was "just a big spam". Cougars must cook their food then, right?

D45e43b08cd99a04f5d4294a871e1078

(1010)

on June 15, 2012
at 05:24 AM

^I like how people vote for the "too bad for you" listen to your doctor, and "suffer through the treatments" and downvote for the it's a scam and you don't have to go through any of this because it's jut a money maker!

D5d982a898721d3392c85f951d0bf0aa

(2417)

on June 15, 2012
at 04:21 AM

Dude? Cancer occurs in wild animals, too.

D5d982a898721d3392c85f951d0bf0aa

(2417)

on June 15, 2012
at 04:20 AM

Clearly, you have not spent a lot of time around people with cancer.

03a4ec34751186201a56da298ac843ce

(4100)

on June 15, 2012
at 12:45 AM

I thought the same as you, and now I have recurrent cervical cancer caused by a very nasty virus.

8508fec4bae4a580d1e1b807058fee8e

(6244)

on June 14, 2012
at 10:19 PM

Are you trying to earn the badge for -score?

D45e43b08cd99a04f5d4294a871e1078

(1010)

on June 14, 2012
at 06:22 PM

A cat or dog won't get a tumor if they eat primarily raw meat.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on June 14, 2012
at 03:49 PM

^ As a warning though, my friend's mom did Gerson instead of chemo, and she passed away three months after starting treatment even though the doctors had considered her cancer very treatable via chemo. It is a gamble in terms of time to engage in alternative treatments.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on June 14, 2012
at 03:45 PM

You know when a pet gets cancer, such as a cat or dog, and they waste away as the tumor takes all of their food and resources? That sounds like a "health symptom". The same thing happens to people, very unfortunately, which is why we treat cancer very aggressively.

41dfb1a4fecb38d24075ff52f13ccb28

on June 14, 2012
at 02:25 PM

Dude... really? This is not the time.

D45e43b08cd99a04f5d4294a871e1078

(1010)

on June 14, 2012
at 01:56 PM

^What are the health symptoms of cancer? I've never heard of them

94480caec9fbbaacc386d86a45efa720

(1007)

on June 14, 2012
at 12:37 PM

Thank you. I'm getting the "easier" chemo protocol. My MO had a more difficult but faster program prescribed to me at first and then I had side effects from surgery and port placement and he recommended we try for fewer side effects/longer regimen - 6 months... Congratulations on getting through!

94480caec9fbbaacc386d86a45efa720

(1007)

on June 14, 2012
at 12:34 PM

Thank you! Mine is for preventing recurrence of breast cancer also. I'll be getting Adriamycin and Cytoxan 1x every 3 wks, 4xs and then Taxol (AC—>T). Re: kombucha & kefir - the bacteria could be opportunistic, no? I've read cautions against during chemo and then read read that probiotics can help with a lot of the GI probs. Being a recovering celiac, I'm attentive to getting probiotics.

D7ec5ab98a0b971f9e24b4e654abfa7d

on June 14, 2012
at 10:50 AM

the depth of this ignorance would be funny if it weren't potentially deadly to those who listen to it :-(

D7ec5ab98a0b971f9e24b4e654abfa7d

on June 14, 2012
at 10:48 AM

this has to be satire. right? RIGHT?

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on June 14, 2012
at 05:48 AM

"I will not get cancer". Really? Really.

F5f742cc9228eb5804114d0f3be4e587

(7660)

on June 14, 2012
at 05:32 AM

Really? Sheesh.

F31d10b54b31428e189d9b771bf7b1d1

(1439)

on June 14, 2012
at 05:20 AM

I would check out Gerson before I started chemo. And don't let the MDs talk you out of Gerson. Doing first raw juice fasting and then paleo, a large wart evaporated on my ankle. Please check out Gerson. The MDs will go ballistic, which I don't understand since their chemo is like applying death and see what dies first, the patient or the cancer. Not very sophisticated in my opinion. What have you to lose?

94480caec9fbbaacc386d86a45efa720

(1007)

on June 14, 2012
at 02:16 AM

Thank you. The tamoxifen seems pretty key these days. Great to hear from you.

94480caec9fbbaacc386d86a45efa720

(1007)

on June 14, 2012
at 02:15 AM

I'm aware of the fasting trials. It's still not recommended for patients but my oncologist did suggest I only eat very lightly the morning of chemo because I tend toward Gi problems with my celiac anyway. I've been doing Calorie restriction and some fasts since diagnosis but I hesitate to do it for chemo without more guidance. If this session does not go well with eating, I may fast for the next time. We'll see.

A65499f2f8c65602881550fe309cd48c

(3501)

on June 14, 2012
at 02:03 AM

Sending you healing vibes and well wishes!!!!! The best thing I'd that you're already on the right track nutritionally and way ahead of thhe game in that department. I hope you keep us apprised of how it's going.

584cdd1a2dd83e46b8b76758f4c57b19

(600)

on June 14, 2012
at 01:01 AM

I myself can't add anything constructive but I'd just like to send you a giant hug. I hope it all goes well for you

E36cb992cf0a5eba8b97a359c15f38b3

(4347)

on June 14, 2012
at 12:06 AM

I don't have anything particularly constructive to add, since I've never been on chemo. All I can say is I wish you well and hope you're able to avoid the worst effects and DO experience the best of chemo--that is, to recover fully!

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D7ec5ab98a0b971f9e24b4e654abfa7d

on June 14, 2012
at 02:32 AM

I had chemo in late 2008, pre-paleo. Now I'm an oncology nurse who administers chemo every day, and have been eating primarily primal/paleo for about 8 months. So, I have some thoughts!

First of all, can you tell us what specific chemotherapy drugs you'll be getting and/or the name of the regimen? And what kind of cancer? Although it's true that being young and female increases risk for nausea, it's by no means a foregone conclusion, and certain chemo drugs only very rarely cause nausea. The type of cancer affects the risk too. (GI cancers are obviously higher risk, for example.) Most centers are quite aggressive with nausea-prevention drugs and strategies, especially if the regimen is known to be emetogenic. So, don't count on being nauseous. I literally had ZERO days of nausea during my treatment (taxotere + cytoxan, for breast cancer), and know many MANY people who had and have similar experiences. If you do experience nausea, you need to take any as-needed nausea meds they give you (compazine or zofran probably) sooner rather than later, and if they aren't effective, you need to let the doc or nurse know right away -- there are many options, and no reason to just give up and feel sick without exploring them!

It is very likely that you'll experience appetite and taste changes of some kind. A lot of people lose their taste for certain foods that they normally love (coffee, dairy, and -- uh-oh -- red meat are the most common). But you may not. Some of the meds often given with chemo (such as steroids) may stimulate your appetite (that's a nursey way of saying "make you feel like a ravenous pit that can never be satisfied"), and statistically most breast cancer patients gain weight on chemotherapy.

All that said, there is no reason that you couldn't and shouldn't stay as paleo as you wish while doing chemo. You will likely have to adapt your diet somewhat -- some people find they only want bland, smooth foods -- good paleo options might be anything coconut-based, smoothies, bananas, simply cooked chicken breast; others want to add a lot of salt and spices to their food so they can actually taste it. I know several people who've remained vegan through chemo with no issues, and several others who though they weren't paleo ate lots of whole, natural foods, cultured foods, etc. through chemo and did great.

The only thing you really must try to do is stay hydrated -- depending on the chemo, they may specify that you need to drink 2 quarts of water a day, or something like that. But even if not, staying well-hydrated is a proven method of preventing nausea, and is really a good idea to flush that shit out of your kidneys and bladder ASAP. Water is fine, but broth (especially bone broth! holy nutrients and electrolytes!) is great too, herbal teas, kombucha, coconut water, coconut or water (or dairy if you do that) kefir, all those paleo beverages are wonderful.

Hope this helps! Chemo sucks, no two ways about it. But, 1000s before you have done it, and you can too.

94480caec9fbbaacc386d86a45efa720

(1007)

on June 14, 2012
at 12:34 PM

Thank you! Mine is for preventing recurrence of breast cancer also. I'll be getting Adriamycin and Cytoxan 1x every 3 wks, 4xs and then Taxol (AC—>T). Re: kombucha & kefir - the bacteria could be opportunistic, no? I've read cautions against during chemo and then read read that probiotics can help with a lot of the GI probs. Being a recovering celiac, I'm attentive to getting probiotics.

94480caec9fbbaacc386d86a45efa720

(1007)

on June 15, 2012
at 11:46 AM

missmaisy you are spot on. I'll be getting the neulasta (filgrastim?) shot the following day and having labs at nadir. My plan for my eyebrows is to draw them in Vulcan style.

D7ec5ab98a0b971f9e24b4e654abfa7d

on June 15, 2012
at 10:33 AM

AC->T *is* considered a moderately to highly emetogenic (nausea-inducing) treatment. The "good" news is that everyone knows that, and aggressive nausea prevention is the standard. You should be getting at least 2, probably 3, drugs the day of chemo, and then go home with pills to take -- TAKE THEM. I know plenty of women who have had no issues with nausea on AC->T. Fatigue and brain fog are much more bothersome for most -- and the hair loss, which thanks to the Adriamycin is usually total (eyebrows, eyelashes & nose hairs included -- gah!).

D7ec5ab98a0b971f9e24b4e654abfa7d

on June 15, 2012
at 10:39 AM

Re: the kombucha & kefir -- as long as the "good" bacteria stay in your gut where they belong, it shouldn't be a problem. And though chemo is obviously not great for your immune system, you shouldn't be at really high risk for infection unless you become neutropenic (low neutrophil [the white blood cells that fight infection] count). You'll probably get a shot called Neulasta the day after chemo which reduces your risk of neutropenia, and you'll be getting labs checked regularly so you'll know if by chance you are neutropenic. Double check with your onc or onc's nurse though.

D7ec5ab98a0b971f9e24b4e654abfa7d

on June 16, 2012
at 12:22 AM

yay Vulcan eyebrows!

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5db74e51c32206b40ee62f49acd0df70

on June 14, 2012
at 12:19 AM

Paleo, I've read, is very cancer treatment friendly - especially if you lay off the sugars a bit, maybe even revert to Whole 30, eating a lot of good meats and vegetables, fruits that are on the lower end of the sugar spectrum. Sugar helps cancer, so anything you can do to avoid sugar should help your treatment. I stumbled on this website awhile back which had a wealth of information about cancer treatments, fallacies, diet, etc... It seems the consensus of many alternative treatments for cancer involves a diet that looks a lot like Paleo:

http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/cancer_index.html

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34a367e60db77270bd7096dc04270fdc

(4171)

on June 14, 2012
at 12:17 AM

My husband had 30 days of Interferon (Immunotherapy) a few years back after having stage 3b melanoma. This was before we learned about paleo though. Regardless he couldn't eat much during that time. I made him a peanutbutter and jelly sandwich that he would eat every afternoon during his treatment and that's about all he ate most days. Sometimes he would eat soup during the day if he got hungry but mostly he was just exhausted and not hungry. I think that you could probably stay paleo during chemo but, you probably won't want anything heavy. Also everyone reacts differently to treatment, some people tolerate it really well and others do not fair well at all. You're going to have to see how you feel and do the best you can.

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510bdda8988ed0d4b0ec0b738b4edb73

(20898)

on June 14, 2012
at 04:14 AM

There are so many types of chemo and so many different protocols, it's hard to make comparisons. I had 4 rounds of etoposide and cisplatnin (1 week on, 2 weeks off) for testicular cancer about 5ish years ago, pre-paleo. The good thing about TC is that it's pretty fast growing, so it's easy to kill, but you need to hit it hard. I know some people have much longer cycles of their chemo that's not as bad per cycle. There were people in the infusion room with me, talking, enjoying themselves, laughing, feeling good. I got hit really hard, tons of nausea which was countered with tons of anti-nausea drugs which caused nasty headaches which then needed some crazy pain killers to get rid of (I wish I went the MMJ route, but I wasn't in the mood to get in trouble with the law while being sick). The good thing was that I was done with treatments in 3 months (then I had about a year of rebuilding my body, which was discouraging because I expected to bounce back more quickly.) But the people who had the "easier" chemo sometimes had cycles lasting 6 or more months.

Basically, I can only speak to really the really toxic shit they pumped through me, I don't know what you'll get. For the week on, I basically had no appetite, I did force down chicken broth and sometimes some noodles. For the weeks off I started to get hungry but I couldn't taste anything, so I dumped tobasco and cayenne pepper on everything just to get some flavor, sadly it's was often mac and cheese since.

I wish I had known about paleo then, it would have been better for my body than feeding it the crap I was. Especially since the carbs would have been feeding the tumors at the same time I was trying to kill them. Plus any of the wheat I had would have been causing inflammation that made things even harder on my body. And from what I've read being in ketosis actually makes you more resilient when it comes to dealing with the chemo.

I really can't give you advice since I don't know your situation, but I can say that with complete certainty, if I had to do it again I would be 100% paleo, be very low carb, and avoid anything that even might cause some inflammation. If I couldn't do that, I would just not eat and live off my fat stores until the nausea went away.

94480caec9fbbaacc386d86a45efa720

(1007)

on June 14, 2012
at 12:37 PM

Thank you. I'm getting the "easier" chemo protocol. My MO had a more difficult but faster program prescribed to me at first and then I had side effects from surgery and port placement and he recommended we try for fewer side effects/longer regimen - 6 months... Congratulations on getting through!

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6e57c5b6e85a92abe973e6cf272bb94d

on June 14, 2012
at 01:44 AM

I was 4 years younger than you when I started chemo, and that was 12 years ago. I wasn't paleo back then, but I tried rejuvelac, juicing - lots of things. You name it, if it was food and someone thought it prevented recurrence and it sounded half way sane - I tried it. It seemed important to try different things because, in whatever small way, I was in control of something. I completely stopped eating processed foods; ate mostly fish and greens. I lost some weight during chemo, but not much.

I'm not sure why my cancer has stayed away so long, but it has. I don't know if the diet had something to do with it or if was the surgery, the chemo, the tamoxifen or arimidex.-My guess is it's a combination of everything I know about and some things I don't know about. Who knows.

I began eating paleo about a year ago to lose 20 pounds. I'm not 100% paleo (I try) because I love ice cream and M&Ms - my once a month treats. But I also love kale, chard, and spinach, which make up a large part of my diet.

Keep in mind that there are many, many survivors. Keep searching for and reading the success stories - all of us did. Those stories helped to move the cancer thoughts to the back of my brain instead of up front. I hope they'll do the same for you.

94480caec9fbbaacc386d86a45efa720

(1007)

on June 14, 2012
at 02:16 AM

Thank you. The tamoxifen seems pretty key these days. Great to hear from you.

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03a4ec34751186201a56da298ac843ce

on June 15, 2012
at 12:48 AM

I am going through chemo now. I am 35. The anti nausea mess are very good although I still had some stomach pain. I did find that my appetite was unpredictable and I was, unexpectedly, a bottomless pit some days. Of all the side effects, nausea was really the least of it. I think you will be fine

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345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

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on June 14, 2012
at 11:54 AM

The only thing I can recommend is a cookbook that we used for a family member going through chemo, he started loosing his tastes, his eating changing completely because of the chemo, this book has a whole bunch of great stuff that tells you what do to for combating the nausea, metal tastes in the mouth, and other side effects you might encounter. It is a wonderful book to help you beat the chemo effects, truly worth the purchase:

The cancer fighting kitchen by rebecca katz with mat edelson isbn 978-1-58761-344-9

best of luck to you!!!

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518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on June 14, 2012
at 05:42 AM

If you tend to nausea, some probiotics will be very beneficial for maintaining a healthy gut flora and staving off other unpleasantness, such as diarrhea. I think it's something that not everyone thinks of, but it would be particularly helpful to such intense treatments such as chemo.

I wish you the best of luck- support your body with lots of nourishing foods, help your gut flora out, keep the lines of conversation open with your oncologist, and hopefully this will be a healing experience for you!

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99ac392257e444e014be6d4da6a900e4

(1036)

on June 14, 2012
at 12:23 AM

You may also want to contact David Getoff for a consultation:

http://www.naturopath4you.com/IfYouHaveCancer.htm

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99ac392257e444e014be6d4da6a900e4

(1036)

on June 14, 2012
at 12:19 AM

Do some research on fasting/intermittent fasting while on chemo. Sounds pretty promising to me. Opposite of what traditional doctors will tell you. Good luck! I've had several family members go thru chemo. It's much less harsh now than it was 20 years ago.

94480caec9fbbaacc386d86a45efa720

(1007)

on June 14, 2012
at 02:15 AM

I'm aware of the fasting trials. It's still not recommended for patients but my oncologist did suggest I only eat very lightly the morning of chemo because I tend toward Gi problems with my celiac anyway. I've been doing Calorie restriction and some fasts since diagnosis but I hesitate to do it for chemo without more guidance. If this session does not go well with eating, I may fast for the next time. We'll see.

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F31d10b54b31428e189d9b771bf7b1d1

on June 14, 2012
at 05:34 AM

Who are you going to trust? People who make billions off a cancer "treatment" but many will not allow their own family members to do it and who admit that their cure rates suck. Or people who make next to nothing off a cancer treatment but will encourage everyone including their own family members to try it and say that they get lots of cures.

I will not get cancer. Part of my paleo diet is to juice raw veggies (no fruits) everyday in the morning.

You have got to learn to think for yourself and stop listening to these very authoritative and impressive healing retards. Use your intuition. Does applying toxic poisons to the human body sound like a good way to help the immune system to beat cancer?

Check out Gerson.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on June 14, 2012
at 05:48 AM

"I will not get cancer". Really? Really.

D7ec5ab98a0b971f9e24b4e654abfa7d

on June 14, 2012
at 10:50 AM

the depth of this ignorance would be funny if it weren't potentially deadly to those who listen to it :-(

03a4ec34751186201a56da298ac843ce

(4100)

on June 15, 2012
at 12:45 AM

I thought the same as you, and now I have recurrent cervical cancer caused by a very nasty virus.

D5d982a898721d3392c85f951d0bf0aa

(2417)

on June 15, 2012
at 04:20 AM

Clearly, you have not spent a lot of time around people with cancer.

Eea6a68f5a7190d13c60e1c72417a581

(1376)

on June 15, 2012
at 10:35 AM

Where is the compassion in your statements?

D45e43b08cd99a04f5d4294a871e1078

(1010)

on June 20, 2012
at 01:18 PM

I won't ever get cancer either because it's not real, it's made up, or at least it's not what you think it is. It's much more about the big picture of having good health, versus bad health. Cancer is not going to one day take over your body and kill you, that is brainwashing of the smart, and elite, to empty your pockets of money.

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D45e43b08cd99a04f5d4294a871e1078

(1010)

on June 14, 2012
at 05:09 AM

Question - what were your symptoms that lead to having cancer?

Do you feel sick, or are just brainwashed into thinking you are sick?

Cancer is a made up disease, the only disease is the treatments for cancer, which is a huge profit for some elite, smart, individuals who are just f#@$cking with billions of people.

No one ever was cured from chemo, it's all based on tests, which aren't really the picture of good health.

God dammit! Take your life back, Don't do any of this treatment, you are being f#$cked with by powerful people who secretly want to seep the life out of you. It's our natural human nature to have power, and that's what the medical industry is for the people who control it.

D7ec5ab98a0b971f9e24b4e654abfa7d

on June 14, 2012
at 10:48 AM

this has to be satire. right? RIGHT?

D45e43b08cd99a04f5d4294a871e1078

(1010)

on June 15, 2012
at 08:37 AM

^what r u talking about? Both points are being made, not just one. About about the cougars, EXACTLY! Animals living close to human civilzation, lots of human food they are probably eating, causing the sickness. Most animals in remote, dense, wilderness, don't look like they have rabbies, but animals surrounding humans often do. It would make sense for mountain lions close to where you live to be sick.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on June 14, 2012
at 03:45 PM

You know when a pet gets cancer, such as a cat or dog, and they waste away as the tumor takes all of their food and resources? That sounds like a "health symptom". The same thing happens to people, very unfortunately, which is why we treat cancer very aggressively.

F5f742cc9228eb5804114d0f3be4e587

(7660)

on June 14, 2012
at 05:32 AM

Really? Sheesh.

D45e43b08cd99a04f5d4294a871e1078

(1010)

on June 14, 2012
at 01:56 PM

^What are the health symptoms of cancer? I've never heard of them

8508fec4bae4a580d1e1b807058fee8e

(6244)

on June 14, 2012
at 10:19 PM

Are you trying to earn the badge for -score?

41dfb1a4fecb38d24075ff52f13ccb28

on June 14, 2012
at 02:25 PM

Dude... really? This is not the time.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on June 15, 2012
at 05:33 AM

Also, make a decision: either cancer doesn't exist OR you won't get it if you eat primarily raw. Commit to the point you are trying to make, no matter how little sense it makes.

D45e43b08cd99a04f5d4294a871e1078

(1010)

on June 15, 2012
at 05:24 AM

^I like how people vote for the "too bad for you" listen to your doctor, and "suffer through the treatments" and downvote for the it's a scam and you don't have to go through any of this because it's jut a money maker!

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on June 15, 2012
at 05:32 AM

Well I guess the epidemic of cat leukemia in cougars in my local area was "just a big spam". Cougars must cook their food then, right?

D45e43b08cd99a04f5d4294a871e1078

(1010)

on June 14, 2012
at 06:22 PM

A cat or dog won't get a tumor if they eat primarily raw meat.

D5d982a898721d3392c85f951d0bf0aa

(2417)

on June 15, 2012
at 04:21 AM

Dude? Cancer occurs in wild animals, too.

D7ec5ab98a0b971f9e24b4e654abfa7d

on June 17, 2012
at 04:24 PM

Henry, I'm going to say this as gently as I can: You do not have a f*cking clue what you are talking about.

D45e43b08cd99a04f5d4294a871e1078

(1010)

on June 18, 2012
at 01:31 PM

^how do I not know?

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

(12682)

on June 20, 2012
at 08:05 AM

Your answer made me think of this: http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/35dxhb/

D45e43b08cd99a04f5d4294a871e1078

(1010)

on June 20, 2012
at 01:15 PM

^ Prove to me how "cancer" is what is causing someone to be sick. There's much more empirical evidence that it's an unnatural diet that causes debilitating health. Also, it seems most people go in to doctors with minor health problems that from some test turn out to be cancer, and undergo treatment, and often get worse. Were they that sick in the first place? Don't fix something if it's not broken. I still haven't heard - what are the symptoms of cancer? There's so many illnesses and disease being pumped out with drug companies competing to make treatments for them all to become rich.

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