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Could LC diets confer benefits unrelated to weight control?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created March 04, 2012 at 9:30 PM

For the record, I've given up on the CIH, and I think that my (rather dramatic) experience losing weight with an LC diet back in the early '90s was due to much lowered calorie intake because of lowered palatability and food reward. Some time ago, I added boring safe starches back into my diet (utterly necessary after re-starting Crossfit), and I'm pretty confident that the universe hasn't imploded.

OK. (Indeed, _OK!_)

In the meantime, out there in the Twitterings and RSS feeds I continue to notice writings and tidbits about other benefits of LC diets having nothing to do with weight loss or weight control. I've already touched on my pet LC topics here on PH: neuroprotection and longevity.

Recently Robb Wolf tweeted a link to a meta-study entitled Is there a role for carbohydrate restriction in the treatment and prevention of cancer? It's a pretty good read -- among other things, outlining how (pre-)cancerous cells have a different metabolism than non-cancerous cells, and ways that an LC diet could be effective in treatment or prevention. (At the very least you should skip down to the conclusions). So now I've got another pet LC topic.

All this is confusing me to no end. Leaving obesity out of the equation, there seems to be much evidence suggesting that LC diets have some benefit. There's also compelling evidence that suggests that LC diets don't in-an-of-themselves confer such benefits.

I'm not going back to an LC diet any time soon, but this is vexing me. Do you think that an LC diet could confer any benefit with regard to neuroprotection, longevity, and/or cancer? Could this be another case of "the opposite of the cure is not the cause?"

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on March 05, 2012
at 03:56 PM

obvious that there never could be one food plan or diet that fit any two people equally as well. I really enjoy your posts here at PH. Hope you are doing very well. :)

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Hi, Nance. I'm glad you've found good solutions. :) Something I noticed in the writings, which I have been able to find, of the doctors I mentioned in the post, is that each patient needed to have the food plan, including protein, fat, and carbs that best fit that person's needs, at a given time. I have read posts at the LC forums, of folks going ZC, VVLC, VLC, for a long while, and then, later finding that something had been healed or become normal, and they introduced more vegs or fruit, or something else. One of the things I really like about Low Carb Friends forum, is that it is so...

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on March 05, 2012
at 03:17 PM

Nance dont you also do an alternate day fast? I mean that would likely be 30+ hrs out of 48 hrs in a ketogenic/LC state. Perhaps the CIH has a ways to go, but I wouldn't completely discount it yet.

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on March 05, 2012
at 02:04 AM

Hi, PaleoGran! I think the real conversation is in how low is low and how long do you have to stay low--as I said above, LC helped both my migraine and my GERD but I've drifted slowly upward ever since without recurrence of either.

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at 02:02 AM

@Melissa, it helped both my migraine and my GERD but, as you said, I didn't have to stay on it indefinitely. I think I'm running closer to 150g than 100 right now.

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on March 05, 2012
at 01:59 AM

@A at Grain Free Diet, I bet you feel better now! :-))

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on March 05, 2012
at 01:07 AM

Insulin! Thank you! I had the C and H right, but was stumped on the I. :)

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on March 05, 2012
at 01:01 AM

Carbohydrate Insulin Hypothesis, a la Gary Taubes.

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on March 04, 2012
at 10:47 PM

Help me out here. I've seen "CIH" used a few times lately and I have no idea what it stands for. Definition please?

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on March 04, 2012
at 09:41 PM

The use of ketogenic diets for epilepsy and migraines seems quite promising. In fact, it's currently one of the best treatments for very difficult cases of childhood epilepsy.

Also some digestive issues like GERD, though those studies are quite small. There are some pilot studies and theories for other neurological disorders.

I think where some LC zealots have mistaken something with a therapeutic value for some with something that is optimal for everyone forever. For example, low-carb worked great for helping get rid of GERD, but I didn't need to be strict about it forever once it was gone.

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on March 05, 2012
at 02:02 AM

@Melissa, it helped both my migraine and my GERD but, as you said, I didn't have to stay on it indefinitely. I think I'm running closer to 150g than 100 right now.

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on March 04, 2012
at 09:43 PM

SMCDOW, have a look at Dr. Michael Eades' blog, for starters.

The benefits of low carbing, for many health reasons, have been proven for generations!

Dr. Blake Donaldson in the 1920s, then Dr. Alfred Pennington, Dr. Benjamin Sandler, and later, Dr. Richard MacKarness, all helped people who had serious illnesses. Some of their writings are available on the internet to read. (I put links to some of those on my profile page here at PH.)

Dr. Wolfgang Lutz's book, Life Without Bread, is full of how low carb nutrition can heal serious illness, or have very severe symptoms go into remission.

If you'd like to read posts at low carb forums of benefits that folks have noticed through eating LC, they are numerous and delightful to read.

Low Carb Friends and http://forum.lowcarber.org/ are the two largest.

Then there are all the folks who have migraines, epilepsy, and diabetes, multiple sclerosis, etc., who eat LC to stay as symptom-free as possible.

Welcome to a beautiful new world! :)

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on March 05, 2012
at 02:04 AM

Hi, PaleoGran! I think the real conversation is in how low is low and how long do you have to stay low--as I said above, LC helped both my migraine and my GERD but I've drifted slowly upward ever since without recurrence of either.

D31a2a2d43191b15ca4a1c7ec7d03038

(4134)

on March 05, 2012
at 03:56 PM

obvious that there never could be one food plan or diet that fit any two people equally as well. I really enjoy your posts here at PH. Hope you are doing very well. :)

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on March 05, 2012
at 03:17 PM

Nance dont you also do an alternate day fast? I mean that would likely be 30+ hrs out of 48 hrs in a ketogenic/LC state. Perhaps the CIH has a ways to go, but I wouldn't completely discount it yet.

D31a2a2d43191b15ca4a1c7ec7d03038

(4134)

on March 05, 2012
at 03:55 PM

Hi, Nance. I'm glad you've found good solutions. :) Something I noticed in the writings, which I have been able to find, of the doctors I mentioned in the post, is that each patient needed to have the food plan, including protein, fat, and carbs that best fit that person's needs, at a given time. I have read posts at the LC forums, of folks going ZC, VVLC, VLC, for a long while, and then, later finding that something had been healed or become normal, and they introduced more vegs or fruit, or something else. One of the things I really like about Low Carb Friends forum, is that it is so...

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on March 04, 2012
at 09:37 PM

To really unpack this would require a lot of detail.

"Sugar feeds cancer" is tossed around a lot. But that isn't like saying "tubers feed cancer," or is it?

Some have noticed a wave of Paleo arm waving over how many carbs one can still burn. I'm sitting this one out. I don't think longevity is a function of how much fuel I can stuff through the machine. I'll settle for normal!

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