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calcification of soft tissues

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created October 14, 2011 at 4:56 PM

hi. i am wondering what the optimal dose of calcium would be for a vlc diet. currently i am consuming approx. 1300mg. in the form of grated/shredded parmesian cheese. i find my joints feel stiffer after consuming servings of this and usually when consuming calcium rich substances. for an avid weightlifter would this be an excessive amount?i have heard that 300mg. per day are adequate but find every time i omit the calcium my teeth become less white/solid and feel more brittle and sort of falling apart... i should note that my diet includes copious amounts of vit k2(cheese parsely flakes free-run eggd) and that i routinely consume vit.d up to10000 i.u and never less than8000i.u per day. please advise what is best here....too much calcium?a skewed mineral/vitamin ratio?

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on October 15, 2011
at 10:06 PM

@Quilt: Are you saying you let a patient take 2.5 million ui of vitamin D in a week?!

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on October 15, 2011
at 08:02 AM

Not relevant for normal folks. Did he check calcification ? If not, its not wise to promote such usage. 50K D3 is already very high dose and while I admit that it would probably take a year or so to make harm, 2.5M D3 would harm some people. For rat poison vitamin K is antidot, so its wise to always have large amounts of it when experimenting with D3.

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on October 14, 2011
at 10:24 PM

I have some patients on 45 mgs of MK-4. there is a patient who just posted on my Vitamin D blog how he fixed his D. HE took 2.5,000,000 IU for the first week at 565 lbs. Now he takes 50,000 IU a day at 360 lbs. Pretty amazing testamonial to say the least.

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on October 14, 2011
at 07:11 PM

When I was a vegetarian, my teeth lost some color, the biggest thing that changed it was this specific type of German soft cheese called Butterkase, I'm not sure what kind of crack is in it, but it was the only thing that worked... I'm not sure if that is available in the US. Vitamin butter might work as well, not sure.

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on October 14, 2011
at 07:06 PM

Calcium, D, A, K, all work in synergistic ways. One thing to keep in mind is that some cultures eat well over 5000mg a day. I'm a fan of egg shells. Chris Masterjohn writes informative articles on the different fat soluble vitamins, and Ray Peat will talk your ear off about calcium.

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on October 14, 2011
at 06:58 PM

That's a lot of "you needs".

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on October 14, 2011
at 06:03 PM

Do not take calcium supplement. 8-10k Vitamin D will bost your calcium absorption at microvili level and reduce calcium filtering at kidney level.

You need to supplement K2, 100mcg MQ7 and up to 1mg MQ4. You also need to supplement Mg, 6mg/kg.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on October 14, 2011
at 10:24 PM

I have some patients on 45 mgs of MK-4. there is a patient who just posted on my Vitamin D blog how he fixed his D. HE took 2.5,000,000 IU for the first week at 565 lbs. Now he takes 50,000 IU a day at 360 lbs. Pretty amazing testamonial to say the least.

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on October 15, 2011
at 10:06 PM

@Quilt: Are you saying you let a patient take 2.5 million ui of vitamin D in a week?!

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on October 14, 2011
at 06:58 PM

That's a lot of "you needs".

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 15, 2011
at 08:02 AM

Not relevant for normal folks. Did he check calcification ? If not, its not wise to promote such usage. 50K D3 is already very high dose and while I admit that it would probably take a year or so to make harm, 2.5M D3 would harm some people. For rat poison vitamin K is antidot, so its wise to always have large amounts of it when experimenting with D3.

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on October 15, 2011
at 03:19 AM

Got this link from Mark's Daily Apple ( http://www.marksdailyapple.com/calcium-supplements-goitrogenic-foods-high-mufa-seed-oils-and-jogging/ ) that points out that calcium supplements don't appear to affect bone density.

http://www.bmj.com/content/333/7572/775

I agree with majkinetor, taking vitamin K2 probably provides more benefit than calcium supplements if you are worried about bone density.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/vitamin-k2/

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on October 14, 2011
at 05:47 PM

Joint stiffness might be more likely from the histamine in the aged/hard cheese or the casein in the milk (assuming that dairy is what you mean when you say "calcium rich substances"). (http://www.allergyuk.org/fs_histamine.aspx)

As far as recommendations for total calcium intake, all I know is that the recommendation for an adult male is ~1,000mg/day ([http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/calcium][2])

Have you considered using a calcium supplement (Cal-mag for example) instead of consuming dairy?

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on July 30, 2012
at 06:27 PM

Over time, calcium build-up causes tissues and muscles to harden, which could lead to degenerative diseases like osteoporosis and arthritis.

Magnesium encourages the body to absorb calcium. A great illustration of this comes from the book, The Magnesium Miracle. ???Crush a calcium pill and see how much dissolves in one ounce of water. Then crush a magnesium pill and slowly stir it into the calcium water. When you introduce the magnesium, the remaining calcium dissolves.??? The same thing happens in our bloodstream, which is why magnesium is needed to prevent calcium build-up on soft tissues and muscles. Over time, calcium build-up causes tissues and muscles to harden, which could lead to degenerative diseases like osteoporosis and arthritis.

Full blog post here http://www.recoveryspray.com/magnesium-the-bodys-calcium-dissolver/

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