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Calcification of the pineal gland?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created April 19, 2013 at 8:49 PM

The other day I came across a discussion on another forum the other day where people were discussing how due to our flouride-contaminated water supply (as well as diets based an toxic industrial non-foods, pesticides, and other chemicals), the vast majority of the western world have calcified pineal glands(also known as the "third eye"). The supposed consequences of this are suppressed serotonin(neurotransmitter associated with happiness) and melatonin(responsible for sleep regualtion, as well as many other functions).

Some people in the discussion were claiming that this was the main reason for the vast majority of mental illnesses(depression, anxiety, bipolar etc).

I am not well informed enough in either biochemistry or neurology to know how much truth there is to all this, so I was hoping someone else could shed some light on it for me.

For those who want to know more: http://decalcifypinealgland.com/ http://www.naturalnews.com/026364_fluoride_pineal_gland_sodium.html

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on April 19, 2013
at 11:08 PM

And I think it's much more likely that fat sol vit deficiencies due to lack of solid food sources and healthy gut bacteria are playing a bigger role (SPECIFICALLY VITAMIN K/K2) than fluoride in the world's current health epidemic.

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on April 19, 2013
at 11:07 PM

Not to say avoiding fluoridated water would be a bad idea (I have a water distiller for this exact reason, lol), just that I really don't believe that fluoride is the main factor in soft tissue calcification. You have to remember that arterial calcification is predictive of cardiovascular heart disease, and if you want to make the claim that fluoride is the main and only cause of soft tissue calcification in our modern world, then you're effectively saying that many of the worlds problems are due to fluoride toxicity. And considering many Europeans are sick w/o fluoridated water I don't agree

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Fluoride is not discussed in this video. Fluoride might play a role in bone metabolism. It's my understanding though that the other halides might also play a role (bromide as a flame retardant found on almost everything from chairs to pillow cases to car seats). Rather than just avoid these things I'd (in addition to adequate vitamin k consumption) pursue adequate iodine consumption (lugol's solution/SEAFOOD (small creatures like salmon/sardines/oysters)) since these other halides typically bind to where iodine would bind.

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on April 19, 2013
at 10:57 PM

questionable efficiency rate.

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This is talking specifically about how amino acids have to be carboxylated to pick up the CA in your body and to transport it where it needs to be (bones) and ot prevent it from being deposited in the wrong places (soft tissues like the pineal gland). You carboxylate amino acids by consuming adequate->abundant Vitamin K. Vitamin k2 receives the blunt of the attention (especially from the WAPF) and its unclear if vitamin k1 might be just as protective (especially in higher doses or from natural food sources with fat (turnip greens in butter for example)). K1 converts into k2 in the body with a

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on April 19, 2013
at 10:47 PM

Thanks, +1 for the video. I dont have time to watch the full lecture right now, but does this conclude that sufficient vitamin K would prevent calcification? Also, is it saying that flouride does not have a role to play?

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on April 19, 2013
at 10:26 PM

That my dear is where science comes in. There is plenty of evidence that avoiding gluten grains will not hurt you and likely benefit you. Supplementing our water supply is not something I support, but I would be embarrassed to be seen in the company of the people who are most vocal about it, if only because they seem to lack skills in the isolating variables department. Green tea has plenty of fluoride, and as a whole is likely good for us.

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on April 19, 2013
at 09:31 PM

I agree we should be skeptical, but not also careful not to be dismissive. I'm an 18yo guy still in school, living with my non-paleo parents. They often accuse me of being paranoid for avoiding gluten, saying its "all in my head" and ratoinalising that they've eaten flour all their life they're in their 50s and still "fine", despite both being overweight. Point being, it is often easy for us to justify blatant closed-mindedness to ourselves in the name of skepticism or critical thinking. Not saying this is what you're doing here at all, but I've seen it on this site quite a bit.

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on April 19, 2013
at 08:55 PM

The flouride angle makes it seem like "truther"-crazy, but pineal calcification is thing that really happens. *Why* it happens ... I don't know.

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on April 19, 2013
at 08:54 PM

The flouride angle makes it seem like "truther"-crazy, but pineal calcification is thing that really happens.

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on April 19, 2013
at 08:54 PM

also the solution to this problem might be magic mushrooms

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at 08:52 PM

someone figure out if it is valid. i hope it isnt

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Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on April 19, 2013
at 09:47 PM

You need to watch this video in full http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfnDEpM10t4 . This is how soft tissue calcification occurs. Flouride is a neurotoxin and a toxic waste product that should not be in our water supply and it likely exacerbates a bad situation BUT soft tissue calcification results because uncarboxilated amino acids like glutamate can't grab onto calcium unless they are carboxilated into for example (gamma-carboxyglutamic acid), which requires vitamin K. Because they can't grab onto calcium, the calcium then circulates in your body in places where it shouldn't be leading to soft tissue calcification. Specifically you should watch 19:00-22:00.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on April 19, 2013
at 10:57 PM

This is talking specifically about how amino acids have to be carboxylated to pick up the CA in your body and to transport it where it needs to be (bones) and ot prevent it from being deposited in the wrong places (soft tissues like the pineal gland). You carboxylate amino acids by consuming adequate->abundant Vitamin K. Vitamin k2 receives the blunt of the attention (especially from the WAPF) and its unclear if vitamin k1 might be just as protective (especially in higher doses or from natural food sources with fat (turnip greens in butter for example)). K1 converts into k2 in the body with a

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on April 19, 2013
at 10:57 PM

questionable efficiency rate.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on April 19, 2013
at 11:08 PM

And I think it's much more likely that fat sol vit deficiencies due to lack of solid food sources and healthy gut bacteria are playing a bigger role (SPECIFICALLY VITAMIN K/K2) than fluoride in the world's current health epidemic.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on April 19, 2013
at 11:07 PM

Not to say avoiding fluoridated water would be a bad idea (I have a water distiller for this exact reason, lol), just that I really don't believe that fluoride is the main factor in soft tissue calcification. You have to remember that arterial calcification is predictive of cardiovascular heart disease, and if you want to make the claim that fluoride is the main and only cause of soft tissue calcification in our modern world, then you're effectively saying that many of the worlds problems are due to fluoride toxicity. And considering many Europeans are sick w/o fluoridated water I don't agree

Ede98d8569d42885d70e07c92d3df34e

(623)

on April 19, 2013
at 10:47 PM

Thanks, +1 for the video. I dont have time to watch the full lecture right now, but does this conclude that sufficient vitamin K would prevent calcification? Also, is it saying that flouride does not have a role to play?

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on April 19, 2013
at 11:03 PM

Fluoride is not discussed in this video. Fluoride might play a role in bone metabolism. It's my understanding though that the other halides might also play a role (bromide as a flame retardant found on almost everything from chairs to pillow cases to car seats). Rather than just avoid these things I'd (in addition to adequate vitamin k consumption) pursue adequate iodine consumption (lugol's solution/SEAFOOD (small creatures like salmon/sardines/oysters)) since these other halides typically bind to where iodine would bind.

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on April 19, 2013
at 09:09 PM

I've heard this from the DMT advocates, and I think Dr. Kruse strayed into this territory, though his take was something like flouride getting through the blood brain barrier thanks to cell phones. K2 is probably a good preventative, and taking some iodine probably helps keep the flouride at bay. Obviously, limiting your exposure to flouride is a good idea too. Even people who think it is good ought to understand there is a difference between taking something in the right dose versus unregulated exposure through our water supply and a half dozen other products.

The thing is though, the pineal gland produces melatonin. So, if you've got the blackout curtains up and are generally doing the whole paleo thing with regard to sleep... and you are sleeping, well you've got some prima facie evidence that your pineal gland isn't totally screwed up.

I get sleepy at the right time. My sleep isn't perfect, but it is more due to the fact that I can't control my environment perfectly, so sometime things intrude and wake me up. I dream too. So, my pineal gland can't be too bad off.

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on April 19, 2013
at 08:56 PM

Calcification of any soft tissue would make me think K2 and magnesium levels were insufficient. So was it lack of those nutrients, or fluoride exposure? Does fluoride depress levels of those in the body?...I have no idea. But I tend to maintain a critical stance when reading stuff from the anti-fluoride crowd, they draw a lot of fringe ideas, and blame every freakin' thing of fluoride....and the Natural News guy is (How do I say this nicely?) perhaps prone to paranoia on occasion.

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

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on April 19, 2013
at 10:26 PM

That my dear is where science comes in. There is plenty of evidence that avoiding gluten grains will not hurt you and likely benefit you. Supplementing our water supply is not something I support, but I would be embarrassed to be seen in the company of the people who are most vocal about it, if only because they seem to lack skills in the isolating variables department. Green tea has plenty of fluoride, and as a whole is likely good for us.

Ede98d8569d42885d70e07c92d3df34e

(623)

on April 19, 2013
at 09:31 PM

I agree we should be skeptical, but not also careful not to be dismissive. I'm an 18yo guy still in school, living with my non-paleo parents. They often accuse me of being paranoid for avoiding gluten, saying its "all in my head" and ratoinalising that they've eaten flour all their life they're in their 50s and still "fine", despite both being overweight. Point being, it is often easy for us to justify blatant closed-mindedness to ourselves in the name of skepticism or critical thinking. Not saying this is what you're doing here at all, but I've seen it on this site quite a bit.

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