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grass fed butter vs earth balance soy free spread

Answered on October 09, 2014
Created January 04, 2012 at 5:04 PM

Hi Paleo Hacks! My partner has MS and we have been following paleo for the past 8 months with amazing results. We are dairy-free and we eat nuts and eggs but for the most part we try to follow the autoimmune protocol. I am thinking of eliminating egg whites (use only yolks) and trying to reduce the amount of nut flour baked products.

Here are my two big questions.

GRASS FED BUTTER VS SPREAD THAT IS DAIRY FREE? We use grass fed ghee, lard, coconut oil and macademia nut oil exclusively. She really misses butter and loves to buy the Earth Balance Soy Free Butter Spread. I want to cut this out of our diet because of the ingredients (see below) but IT IS dairy free. She wants some kind of butter sub and ghee does not cut it. Would grass fed butter be preferable to what is listed below? I cant tell the lesser of the two evils.

Here is the full ingredient list of the Soy-Free Buttery Spread:

Expeller-pressed natural oil blend (palm fruit, canola, safflower and olive), water, contains less than 2% salt, sunflower lecithin, pea protein, natural flavor (derived from corn: no msg, no alcohol, no gluten), lactic acid (non-dairy source), naturally extracted annatto for color.

BREAD SUB THAT IS LOW IN OMEGA-6? Next question is about bread sub. She is a teacher and absolutely insists on a sandwich for lunch since she only gets like 8 minutes to eat lunch at school.

I have been making almond bread every week but really worry about the omega 6 content of eating it every day. I am considering making bread with either sweet potatoe flour, macadamia nut flour (exp$$$) or tapioca flour. Any thoughts on what the best choice would be for my lovely art teacher who INSISTS on eating a sandwich at lunch time?

Thank you so much in advance. I have learned a TON from this board.

Bece741db5f5fed6bafa12e3548f973f

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on September 05, 2013
at 01:35 AM

My daughter who has visited South America more than once says that one of their biggest health issues in some areas is gall bladder problems and the reason is the consumption of margarine.

Bece741db5f5fed6bafa12e3548f973f

(715)

on September 05, 2013
at 01:32 AM

The animal fats can tolerate the higher cooking temperatures and also are sources of good fats. If you use non hydrogenated lard it contains oleic acid which has been linked to reduction of depression and leaving good cholesterol intact. Lard also has a VERY long shelf life without refrigeration. Even your expeller pressed oils should really not be used at high temps. It is also minimally processed compared to margarine. I think the tide is turning and we're finding out that the fats we always thought were so bad aren't. It's the sugar and grain consumption causing obesity, not the fats.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on January 05, 2012
at 12:04 PM

Apologies, I saw the word soy, but somehow missed the "Free" part. :)

E36cb992cf0a5eba8b97a359c15f38b3

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on January 05, 2012
at 02:00 AM

Oh-- and I'd skip bread. (Just saw the rest of your question.) The coconut flour tortillas from Paleo Comfort Foods (I think?) would work as a wrap if you're careful. You can also make a loaf with coconut flour, a ton of eggs, and butter/ghee/coconut oil. I personally ditch those and use collard leaves instead. :)

F1b39d4f620876330312f4925bd51900

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on January 04, 2012
at 06:59 PM

Raydawg -the spread under question is soy-free.

Cf32992bfa1907147c7cdc451bba9c63

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on January 04, 2012
at 05:41 PM

The poison's in the dose. How much of the spread do you plan on using?

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98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

on January 04, 2012
at 05:23 PM

That spread looks ghastly. Is the spread for the sandwich? What about a homemade mayo? Just oil to moisten the bread?

As for bread look into coconut flour recipes so you can minimize the nut intake. Some use a small amount of nut flour but many none at all. Also, what about wrapping the sandwich ingredients in lettuce or, my favorite, blanched collard leaves? Same convenience without all the issues?

It's so hard when we "love" foods that don't love us back. Perhaps just encouraging her to bite the bullet and suspend any lingering disbelieve in the diet protocol (which it appears she has given her little bit of resistance regarding bread and spread) and then you can reevaluate after a month based on how she is feeling? Either way congratulations on coming this far and achieving great results. Keep up the excellent work!

http://thecoconutmama.com/2012/01/grain-free-flat-brea/

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E36cb992cf0a5eba8b97a359c15f38b3

on January 04, 2012
at 05:50 PM

I used to consume that stuff when I was vegan. Blech. It tastes like chemicals to me. But, if you want a good spread for sandwiches? Do this:

Whisk together a little extra virgin olive oil and fine sea salt. Put it in the fridge so that it hardens; then use that as a soft spread for sandwiches, etc. You can add roasted garlic or herbs if you like. Works like a charm, and is so much better than the Earth Balance junk.

E36cb992cf0a5eba8b97a359c15f38b3

(4347)

on January 05, 2012
at 02:00 AM

Oh-- and I'd skip bread. (Just saw the rest of your question.) The coconut flour tortillas from Paleo Comfort Foods (I think?) would work as a wrap if you're careful. You can also make a loaf with coconut flour, a ton of eggs, and butter/ghee/coconut oil. I personally ditch those and use collard leaves instead. :)

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Ca1150430b1904659742ce2cad621c7d

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on January 04, 2012
at 06:36 PM

As someone else with MS, I can tell you that that spread is NASTY. I would definitely go with the grass-fed butter. (I order mine from Tropical Traditions, or purchase the Organic Valley Pastured Butter in the green foil wrapper when I don't make my own).

There is no really "good" substitute for sandwich bread. I just consider it as something I let go of in order to be healthier and restore my lost mobility. There are a lot of alternatives. Maybe, instead of a sandwich, she could take a pureed soup in a thermos -- just as fast to eat as a sandwich.

We also substitute "inside-out- lettuce rolls for sandwiches when we're traveling.

Inside-Out Lettuce Rolls

  • 8 very thin slices ham, roast beef, etc.
  • About 4 cups shredded lettuce
  • Homemade mayo
  • Good quality mustard

For each Lettuce Roll:

Lay out 2 slices of meat lengthwise, so that 60% of the top slice is overlapping the bottom slice.

Spread the meat with mayo and/or mustard

Roll meat lengthwise over lettuce and tuck in ends.

If you're doing tuna fish, we use the method used by Jimmy Johns for their "unwiches"...

Take 2 outer leaves from a head of iceberg lettuce, and slip them inside each other so that the stem portion is in the center and the leaves overlap substantially. Place 1/4 to 1/2 cup tuna salad in the middle. Top with your choice of toppings. Roll along the width of the lettuce leaves, tucking in the sides as you go like rolling a burrito.

If you MUST have bread, consider Chebe bread:

  • 2 cups tapioca flour
  • 3 eggs
  • 1/4 cup melted butter
  • 1 tsp salt
  • Herbs and spices.

Add melted butter and eggs to tapioca flour, salt and herbs/spices. Stir until it makes a soft dough. Oil your hands, and roll the dough out into the appropriate shape (for sandwiches, I'd use a shape like a sandwich roll). Bake in a 400 degree oven for about 15-20 minutes (when the top gets nicely browned).

In my opinion, these are significantly improved by the addition of 3/4 cup of hard cheese, but they're perfectly tasty without.

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C835934198ffe146cb90eebc22c6b8d8

on January 04, 2012
at 06:18 PM

I agree grass fed butter would be 100% better than the earth balance spread. the ingredients in that sound like a science experiment. We try to stick to only foods that have 5 ingredients or less and all pronounceable and stuff you could make at home. EverydayPaleo.com has some awesome home made, easy mayo recipe http://everydaypaleo.com/2011/06/20/homemade-paleo-mayo-cooking-demo/ or you could try mashing up an avocado with salt and spread that on. As for the bread..we have given up trying to find substitutes for it. For a quick easy meal we roll up some lunch meat, (cheese if you aren't dairy free) along with some sliced veggies and avacado. Very yummy! Good luck!

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F1b39d4f620876330312f4925bd51900

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on January 04, 2012
at 05:33 PM

If you have autoimmune worries, sticking to simple food choices versus pre-made seems like it might be the best plan. That spread has a lot of ingredients that might cause a reaction. Just the Canola alone is full of pufu, ugh! I agree that you should cut back on the nuts if you are having issues. That would have been my first thing to go.

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96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on January 04, 2012
at 05:37 PM

Obviously, nothing with soy in it! You can try ghee, it probably won't have any effects. But avoid soy, it's a full on, evil, health damaging, omega-6 PUFA.

If for some reason you find ghee problematic, switch to bacon fat, or lard.

F1b39d4f620876330312f4925bd51900

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on January 04, 2012
at 06:59 PM

Raydawg -the spread under question is soy-free.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19408)

on January 05, 2012
at 12:04 PM

Apologies, I saw the word soy, but somehow missed the "Free" part. :)

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on January 04, 2012
at 05:17 PM

How about a sandwich wrapped in lettuce? They've become my favorite. Not sure on the butter. I would think it would be better than soy based spread, though. Kerry Gold is good stuff.

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2a86e1d1e9fbf7556ba68cb5289777fb

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on April 11, 2012
at 05:30 PM

For the bread sub what about GF savory waffles? Google for some recipes!

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363d0a0277a8b61ada3a24ab3ad85d5a

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on January 04, 2012
at 06:21 PM

Like some others have said, try to get her to try out lettuce wraps or collard wraps, or just no bread at all. Does she just not like the taste of ghee? Maybe a touch of olive oil would be better? It is hard when dealing with a loved one and trying to get him/her on a healthier track with eating, but keep trying to find ways, and maybe slowly she will come around. Good luck!

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3491e51730101b18724dc57c86601173

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on October 09, 2014
at 09:15 PM

Why not butter?  Is she dairy sensitive?  I know the Wahl's protocol doesn't permit butter, but that's because many people are dairy sensitive.  Still, it might be worth a trial--just of butter, to see if that's OK.  I think I have this correct, but it may be backwards--Butter contains no casein, so many people who cannot tolerate milk and other dairy can tolerate butter.  However, people who are lactose sensitive may not be able to tolerate butter either.  (it may be the other way around). 

Ghee is the best parts of butter, but it's not salted.  I find that if I add salt to something I use ghee in or on, it supplies that missing element and I don't miss butter at all.  I've been thinking of salting my next batch of ghee. 

Here's a brief explanation about why to stay away from canola and other oils:  http://www.primarilypaleo.com/2012/08/primarily-paleo-whats-the-deal-with-vegetable-oils/

In particular, when fighting an autoimmune disorder like MS, it's especially important to have a "clean" diet with respect to fats. 

As for sandwiches, what about alternatives like using Pure Wraps (very expensive, though but maybe less than adding 1/2 cup or more nut butter to a paleo bread recipe) or making your own Paleo type wraps--lots of recipes do not have nuts or nut flours if you google "paleo wrap recipes"  See, for example:  http://www.paleonewbie.com/paleo-gluten-free-tortillas-recipe/.  Many of the recipes have tapioca flour, and tapioca is supposed to be good for the gut flora.

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on September 05, 2013
at 01:11 AM

just to clarify: i really am not trying to be incendiary at all, I am just confused and curious and would love for someone to explain:

why palm fruit, canola, safflower and olive oils are so horrifying? I guess im a little ignorant about the paleo diet still and don't really understand why expeller pressed (pressure-derived rather than heat or chemical extraction which can break down nutrients and alter the chemical make-up) oils illicit such reactions as "ghastly" and "junk" and "NASTY"...

especially as compared to lard?

I understand that grass-fed butter gets a lot of love from this diet and some of the information about that could be valid, but I really dont understand how lard could be considered a cleaner and less questionable ingredient than a fairly simple vegan margarine...

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on October 09, 2014
at 08:38 PM

I don't understand all the negative comments either, as I really like Earth Balance. Since it is a mixture,  can it really be that harmful for a paleo?

Bece741db5f5fed6bafa12e3548f973f

(715)

on September 05, 2013
at 01:32 AM

The animal fats can tolerate the higher cooking temperatures and also are sources of good fats. If you use non hydrogenated lard it contains oleic acid which has been linked to reduction of depression and leaving good cholesterol intact. Lard also has a VERY long shelf life without refrigeration. Even your expeller pressed oils should really not be used at high temps. It is also minimally processed compared to margarine. I think the tide is turning and we're finding out that the fats we always thought were so bad aren't. It's the sugar and grain consumption causing obesity, not the fats.

Bece741db5f5fed6bafa12e3548f973f

(715)

on September 05, 2013
at 01:35 AM

My daughter who has visited South America more than once says that one of their biggest health issues in some areas is gall bladder problems and the reason is the consumption of margarine.

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092a987221b0c12e39ec7a153d3d49ad

on May 28, 2013
at 07:13 PM

Avocado is the best sandwhich spread substite!

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35cb7e10d7eb3f32e03489592dd825f2

on August 17, 2012
at 05:19 PM

I found a home-made delicious bread/sandwich spread I love! In a blender combine 1 cup soaked raw unsalted cashews (soak one hour, drain), 1/2 cup fresh squeezed lemon juice, 3 scallions (green onions), and 1/2 tsp. sea salt. Blend til smooth - it's delicious and can be used for salad dressing or on baked potatoes too.

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6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

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on January 05, 2012
at 07:24 AM

That New Balance Spread scares me, it is just margarine dressed up in better clothes, butter is a million times better from every angle in my opinion. I have dairy issues, but I've found butter has little enough of the offending ingredients so as not to be an obvious problem. Whether there is enough lactose or milk protein to be problematic for MS I don't know.

It isn't anything even like bread, but for convenience eating I've taken to wrapping things in the nori sheets used for sushi to wrap sandwich ingredients. I've even made a snack with just butter and nori. If you get one of those sushi rolling mats you can make her super tidy little sandwich rolls that can be eaten quickly. Smashed up avocado is yummy on it too.

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421685d4a2df0f531247a1a18c3a45c9

on January 05, 2012
at 05:08 AM

Thanks to you all for all the great ideas and suggestions. We are new to this journey and I have learned so much here at this board.

Much appreciated!

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