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Fatigued after lunch (salmon, potatoes, butter)

Commented on October 16, 2013
Created September 13, 2013 at 9:31 PM

This common sensation has become pretty foreign to me since starting Paleo. Since about 30 minutes after a big lunch I've been all sleepy and fatigued. It's been 2 hours now and getting worse.

Lunch consisted of pretty much just a small amount of salmon (cooked and drenched in clarified butter), a medium-large serving of potatoes (with lots of butter and a bit of balsamic vinegar). This meal had a LOT of butter... I'm thinking it's either too much potatoes (dinner last night was similar) or too much butter, but this isn't a far cry from what I've been having lately. We got a big bag of multi-colored potatoes and it's been my main carb source, along with plenty of butter and something acidic (as per PHD) for a few days now.

Is it the obvious? Dare I answer my own question? Do I just need balance and variety? Then why didn't it hit me until so suddenly just after lunch? I got plenty sleep. Hack my crappy fatigue guys... Slap me a good one!

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on October 16, 2013
at 08:24 PM

Well we are all different, probably some people do well with a high fat diet other dont, i never said I followed an anti-fat diet, with severe adrenal fatigue you should consume fat in moderation at least in my case. I followed a paleo diet for 7 years and it didnt work well for my adrenals, it did for my candida but with time my adrenals became weaker and my cfs became worse.

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on October 16, 2013
at 06:57 PM

lol, i almost feel this is troll post.

its not the high fat, its the low carbs that causes adrenal problems.(IIRC)

the paleo diet tends to reduce carbs and replace them with good fats, so being anti-fats is kind of counter intuitive to the diet in general... although paleo =! keto but paleo certainly is synonymous with reducing carbs in favor of fat.

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on October 16, 2013
at 05:41 PM

I used to think so too but lately I've upped my fat and I have to disagree. Up to 150+ grams of fat some days (even like 180)... haven't noticed any major down sides. I'm not planning to do this long term but it's been a comfortable way to eat and be for the time and certainly not accompanied by fatigue.

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on September 16, 2013
at 02:09 PM

It's possible for some people to become hypoglycemic on a meal of just protein and fat. If it makes you drowsy and/or craving sweets afterwards, it may just be the case. The solution is to eat smaller meals.

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on September 15, 2013
at 04:02 PM

Thank you! I never read the book but I might take a look at it. Hope the low carb thing works for you.

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on September 14, 2013
at 03:31 PM

However, I have to question the potassium thing as well. Before going Paleo I was eating lots of fruit and drinking lots of juice and actually had a very high potassium intake. Since going Paleo I've made a conscious effort to keep my potassium levels up because I started getting some classic low-potassium muscle cramps/spams and it seemed to help. Just how high in potassium are potatoes? Again, I felt them still working through my stomach at the time. Does a lot of potassium get absorbed in the stomach?

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on September 14, 2013
at 03:28 PM

Salmon is high in potassium??

This answer is interesting because while it seemed so obvious to point the finger at the potatoes/starches (as I had already done before posting my question) it just didn't seem like that particular meal should have given me an blood glucose spike and the following sense of fatigue, even if it was more carb-rich than my usual meals these days. Heck, I could feel most of the potatoes still turning in my stomach, so I should have made the leap of intuition.

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on September 14, 2013
at 03:19 PM

I'm a little confused by your answer. In the second paragraph, did you mean "even after a high-carb meal"? I thought the thing was that I was binging on potatoes, although there was certainly a lot of butter in there.

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on September 13, 2013
at 10:56 PM

Interesting, the part about afternoon. Where did you hear/read that?

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on September 13, 2013
at 10:55 PM

Why would I down vote? BTW I don't think you even can anymore. You really should be able to down vote, but your response is pretty reasonable and probably right on. I've been embracing safe carbs since I'm reading the Perfect Health Diet (PHD) book and I guess it makes sense to save most of it for later in the day if it's going to lead to lethargy. I'm only part way through the book, so maybe they'll make such a suggestion later on. I know my body thrives on a moderate-carb diet but I may very well try going very-low-carb just for kicks. I don't need to lose weight though.

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on September 13, 2013
at 09:48 PM

Before (or if) you down vote, please comment! I won't bite. (or I won't bite BACK rather)

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86c197ca1154b13a08ea875b35fbe9b6

on October 16, 2013
at 08:23 PM

Well we are all different, probably some people do well with a high fat diet other dont, i never said I followed an anti-fat diet, with severe adrenal fatigue you should consume fat in moderation at least in my case. I followed a paleo diet for 7 years and it didnt work well for my adrenals, it did for my candida but with time my adrenals became weaker and my cfs became worse.

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on October 16, 2013
at 05:58 PM

ok, thats good but keep in mind that some people dont do well with a high fat diet, probably its for having very weak adrenals, I know that some people fat helps them on their recovery but in my case with severe adrenal problems too much fat causes fatigue, I consume it but moderately and not in the mornings, once you have really weak adrenals its another ball game.

Check this link

http://paleohacks.com/questions/124500/fermented-cod-liver-oil-and-fatiguerelaxation.html#axzz2huKpcPFt

86c197ca1154b13a08ea875b35fbe9b6

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on October 16, 2013
at 08:24 PM

Well we are all different, probably some people do well with a high fat diet other dont, i never said I followed an anti-fat diet, with severe adrenal fatigue you should consume fat in moderation at least in my case. I followed a paleo diet for 7 years and it didnt work well for my adrenals, it did for my candida but with time my adrenals became weaker and my cfs became worse.

7904c7276d7e48f1be887fabd263bfd9

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on October 16, 2013
at 06:57 PM

lol, i almost feel this is troll post.

its not the high fat, its the low carbs that causes adrenal problems.(IIRC)

the paleo diet tends to reduce carbs and replace them with good fats, so being anti-fats is kind of counter intuitive to the diet in general... although paleo =! keto but paleo certainly is synonymous with reducing carbs in favor of fat.

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on October 16, 2013
at 05:46 PM

I used to get the 3-4pm exhaustion blues everyday. Since giving up grains & sugar that no longer happens. Potatoes would be my answer. btw my solution was to have a beer and peanuts or chips, which packed on the weight, glad to be free of it.

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on October 16, 2013
at 05:28 PM

Its the butter! Too much Fat causes fatigue

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on October 16, 2013
at 05:41 PM

I used to think so too but lately I've upped my fat and I have to disagree. Up to 150+ grams of fat some days (even like 180)... haven't noticed any major down sides. I'm not planning to do this long term but it's been a comfortable way to eat and be for the time and certainly not accompanied by fatigue.

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on September 14, 2013
at 03:36 PM

Thanks for your responses guys. In retrospect, I could still feel the potatoes in my stomach, so I have to question the glucose spike theory even though that was my first assumption too. Since everything was sitting so heavy in my stomach, I'm not sure it was the addition of any particular thing to my body/blood/metabolism.

I'm tempted to think I just ate a heavy meal and was having mild indigestion (a bit of heart burn and a heavy feeling in the stomach accompanied this) and my body was probably just telling me to go lie down and digest. Since I was at work, I couldn't. All I could do was blame my meal, go onto PaleoHacks to get feedback, and try to focus on my work.

Funny how easy it is to jump to conclusions. Anyone think I'm off base thinking it was simply a case of "OMG my tummy is full and I'm sleepy"?

There may have been a touch of malnutrition in there too, since I hadn't had my b-vitamins that morning and was a little poor on other nutrients too. (yeah, I'm still taking B-complex though I'd like to get off it).

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on September 14, 2013
at 02:46 PM

I have to disagree with the other answers. The most likely cause is too much potassium. Salmon and potatoes are both very rich in potassium. I get exactly the same reaction after a meal containing salmon and potatoes, and I don't have any blood sugar problems. In fact, I can eat twice as many carbs as rice and not feel fatigued afterwards.

Another reason why It's probably not the carbs is the fact that you combined them with protein (salmon), fats (a lot butter) and an acid (balsamic vinegar), which all should aid in minimizing the rise in blood sugar. If you're not diabetic, then this meal isn't likely to give you blood sugar problems.

I follow PHD as well, and I too get fatigued when I focus my carb consumption too much on potatoes. Other carb sources which don't contain that much potassium don't give me this problem. In fact, they give me more energy.

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on September 14, 2013
at 03:31 PM

However, I have to question the potassium thing as well. Before going Paleo I was eating lots of fruit and drinking lots of juice and actually had a very high potassium intake. Since going Paleo I've made a conscious effort to keep my potassium levels up because I started getting some classic low-potassium muscle cramps/spams and it seemed to help. Just how high in potassium are potatoes? Again, I felt them still working through my stomach at the time. Does a lot of potassium get absorbed in the stomach?

Medium avatar

(624)

on September 14, 2013
at 03:28 PM

Salmon is high in potassium??

This answer is interesting because while it seemed so obvious to point the finger at the potatoes/starches (as I had already done before posting my question) it just didn't seem like that particular meal should have given me an blood glucose spike and the following sense of fatigue, even if it was more carb-rich than my usual meals these days. Heck, I could feel most of the potatoes still turning in my stomach, so I should have made the leap of intuition.

Running out of characters, see below.

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on September 14, 2013
at 06:08 AM

As for the carbs making you drowsy, do you have a glucometer to confirm hypoglycemia? You might want to buy one.

Unfortunately, it's possible to become hypoglycemic on a low-carb meal if you're really out of whack. And it's also possible to be hypoglycemic even when blood sugar is reported normal. (Is the glucose being used efficiently?)

So trusting your symptoms and using self experimentation might be the best way to hack this.

Here are a few suggestions:

  • eat small meals or snacks every 2-3hrs
  • divide your daily protein intake among these small meals
  • gradually cut back on carbs

One more thing, eating all your carbs at dinner might be very unhealthy if you become hypoglycemic whilst asleep and thus unable to remedy it with a bit of food.

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on September 14, 2013
at 03:19 PM

I'm a little confused by your answer. In the second paragraph, did you mean "even after a high-carb meal"? I thought the thing was that I was binging on potatoes, although there was certainly a lot of butter in there.

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on September 13, 2013
at 10:25 PM

i would also agree, try to eat your carbs at night as the tiredness is probably excess carbs, excess total food, or some type of reaction to a toxin? probably in that order.

(your sensetivity to insulin declines in afternoon)

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on September 13, 2013
at 10:56 PM

Interesting, the part about afternoon. Where did you hear/read that?

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on September 13, 2013
at 09:47 PM

It is the potatoes. Carbs are basically sugars. Usually, after eating a lot of sugar, you get an insulin spike (gives you energy), then the rapid rise in blood glucose decreases, and you feel tired or lethargic. It takes longer for the body to process carbs into sugars rather than sugars just being put into the body straight (like candy or dessert). That is all it is. Eat less carbs or none at all. Wait until dinner for the potatoes.

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on September 13, 2013
at 09:48 PM

Before (or if) you down vote, please comment! I won't bite. (or I won't bite BACK rather)

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on September 13, 2013
at 10:55 PM

Why would I down vote? BTW I don't think you even can anymore. You really should be able to down vote, but your response is pretty reasonable and probably right on. I've been embracing safe carbs since I'm reading the Perfect Health Diet (PHD) book and I guess it makes sense to save most of it for later in the day if it's going to lead to lethargy. I'm only part way through the book, so maybe they'll make such a suggestion later on. I know my body thrives on a moderate-carb diet but I may very well try going very-low-carb just for kicks. I don't need to lose weight though.

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