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BUTTER: how much to include

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created March 16, 2011 at 4:38 PM

I have recently been consuming approx. half a lb. of butter daily. Is this INSANE? Or merely misguided. I fell in health anyway...Is there a limit in including butter as an energy source in the diet??? It is so nourishing and cheap!

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on June 12, 2011
at 05:19 PM

Travis your post about butter vs coconut and cholesterol levels was really good and may be worth linking here

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on March 31, 2011
at 04:26 AM

Yup, butter is like the ultimate non-toxic calorie source right along with beef tallow and coconut. Maybe you would like ghee. Of course it is hard to argue with beef fat, especially on a paleo forum.

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on March 19, 2011
at 03:21 AM

I was just asking not insinuating anything. I was curious about the relationship between butter and estrogen, ie. is it estrogenic as I heard it was. Nothing personal...

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on March 16, 2011
at 08:31 PM

You seem to need control...I think the IDEAL plan is to let your body tell you what it needs.

F1b39d4f620876330312f4925bd51900

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on March 16, 2011
at 08:29 PM

In the first comment on this post, you warned me to watch out for the estrogen effect, but in this one insinuate that I know nothing about how to determine if it has an effect. If its an estrogen booster, its boost estrogen..period..man or women. Certainly the physical symptoms of that boost are differnt due to gender. In any case the original question was just about butter, not how butter consumption effects men vs. women hormonally. Get yourself some good butter if its effecting you that poorly.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on March 16, 2011
at 07:07 PM

No toxicity? Canadian store-bought butter is my source. As to fat: I am probably under 6% BF. I count macros and calories and attempt to parcel them out into appropriate ratios(now following paleo I do so favoring MCTs and attempting to minimize Omega 6...but that is more difficult for stoer bought items. Would you know if there is a limit to MCTs and how to tell if you have gone beyond this "limit", eg. have a stomach ache etc. I am looking to develope the IDEAL diet plan with the IDEAL ratio fo triglycerides/macros.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on March 16, 2011
at 07:04 PM

REally...how can you determine whether a substance is estrogenic(fat deposition, puffy skin, gynecomastia, lowered sperm count/sex drive. For males I mean).

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on March 16, 2011
at 07:02 PM

Senneth: watch out for the estrogenic properties of butter(alleged?--or not?)

F1b39d4f620876330312f4925bd51900

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on March 16, 2011
at 06:21 PM

I would hazard that estrogen is not a huge problem in butter. I eat a ton of it and would be a good meter for this since I react poorly to estrogen containing products/phyto-estrogens. If I eat even a touch of flax, soy, licorice root, the list goes on and on..I notice the effect within a day. Nothing so far with butter, and I eat at least 1/2 stick to a full stick a day. (for many months now).

F1b39d4f620876330312f4925bd51900

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on March 16, 2011
at 06:18 PM

I also want to know this, since coconut oil makes me feel super sick to my stomach, I have turned to tons of butter.

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on March 16, 2011
at 05:04 PM

Perfect, I will maintain the course. However, Mari, my concerns also lie with estrogen and the allegations that butter increases this hormone in the body. I must admit(whisper) that I have had a flare up of gynecomastia(which has reached limits and plateued). Also I have been consuming store bought as this is all I can get at the present moment.

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2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

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on March 31, 2011
at 09:24 AM

I would say it depends entirely on your reaction to dairy, if you are experiencing no obvious reactions to it (acne, stomach problems etc) then go for it but if you are sensitive to dairy you might want to clarify it, super easy to do, many tutorials you can google, then you have the butter fat from the butter with minimal milk proteins, it's surprising how much milk protein you actually extract from clarifying, no wonder butter is problematic for lots of people. Pastured or not.

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Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on March 31, 2011
at 04:25 AM

"There is no such thing as too much butter" - Mark Sisson

But really, if it is pastured butter it is hard to say no to at least a third of your calories as butter. If you drowned in butter that would probably be too much butter.

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0adda19045a3641edac0008364b91110

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on March 17, 2011
at 03:29 AM

i don't think there is a limit unless you are trying to limit weight gain. Paul Jaminet author of the Perfect Health Diet, believes that saturated fat and monounsaturated are the only non toxic macro nutrients.I just wish butter would agree with me, but my stomach just doesn't like it.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on March 31, 2011
at 04:26 AM

Yup, butter is like the ultimate non-toxic calorie source right along with beef tallow and coconut. Maybe you would like ghee. Of course it is hard to argue with beef fat, especially on a paleo forum.

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7b494127ac67e85e572c5222aaee9b4d

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on March 31, 2011
at 10:09 AM

If it feels good, do it. The hedonist motto works well for paleo as well. My butter usage occasionally rises to those levels, and I feel no ill effects from it.

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on March 16, 2011
at 06:12 PM

It seems to me that a relatively high fat diet is great, but if you reach the point where you're trying to cram fat into every part of every meal, you're probably overdoing it. I eat a lot of butter, but 8oz a day sounds like a lot to me. I guess it depends on your goals. There is a point at which excess daily dietary fat will cause an upward trending in bodyfat. If that's not occurring or not a concern, then it's no big deal as there isn't really any toxicity involved.

8274ce9d4bffd8209055e1e34def04d6

(429)

on March 16, 2011
at 08:31 PM

You seem to need control...I think the IDEAL plan is to let your body tell you what it needs.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on March 16, 2011
at 07:07 PM

No toxicity? Canadian store-bought butter is my source. As to fat: I am probably under 6% BF. I count macros and calories and attempt to parcel them out into appropriate ratios(now following paleo I do so favoring MCTs and attempting to minimize Omega 6...but that is more difficult for stoer bought items. Would you know if there is a limit to MCTs and how to tell if you have gone beyond this "limit", eg. have a stomach ache etc. I am looking to develope the IDEAL diet plan with the IDEAL ratio fo triglycerides/macros.

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

(15236)

on June 12, 2011
at 05:19 PM

Travis your post about butter vs coconut and cholesterol levels was really good and may be worth linking here

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Cab7e4ef73c5d7d7a77e1c3d7f5773a1

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on March 16, 2011
at 04:55 PM

It depends on your situation. If it's inside your calorie needs, I'd say it's great and you're getting good fat and some nutrients as well. I would try to make it pastured though, as that will have more omega 3 and slightly less omega 6 (which is low anyway). That would make it a good source of omega 3's for you, especially if you're keeping the 6's low. I would think that the butter is only bad if you're eating it to the exclusion of other foods and getting micronutrient deficiencies.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on March 16, 2011
at 05:04 PM

Perfect, I will maintain the course. However, Mari, my concerns also lie with estrogen and the allegations that butter increases this hormone in the body. I must admit(whisper) that I have had a flare up of gynecomastia(which has reached limits and plateued). Also I have been consuming store bought as this is all I can get at the present moment.

F1b39d4f620876330312f4925bd51900

(4090)

on March 16, 2011
at 06:21 PM

I would hazard that estrogen is not a huge problem in butter. I eat a ton of it and would be a good meter for this since I react poorly to estrogen containing products/phyto-estrogens. If I eat even a touch of flax, soy, licorice root, the list goes on and on..I notice the effect within a day. Nothing so far with butter, and I eat at least 1/2 stick to a full stick a day. (for many months now).

F1b39d4f620876330312f4925bd51900

(4090)

on March 16, 2011
at 08:29 PM

In the first comment on this post, you warned me to watch out for the estrogen effect, but in this one insinuate that I know nothing about how to determine if it has an effect. If its an estrogen booster, its boost estrogen..period..man or women. Certainly the physical symptoms of that boost are differnt due to gender. In any case the original question was just about butter, not how butter consumption effects men vs. women hormonally. Get yourself some good butter if its effecting you that poorly.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on March 16, 2011
at 07:04 PM

REally...how can you determine whether a substance is estrogenic(fat deposition, puffy skin, gynecomastia, lowered sperm count/sex drive. For males I mean).

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on March 19, 2011
at 03:21 AM

I was just asking not insinuating anything. I was curious about the relationship between butter and estrogen, ie. is it estrogenic as I heard it was. Nothing personal...

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