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Butter & bacon (and other fatty meats), and 5 vs 1 meals?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created September 10, 2011 at 3:59 AM

I was recently introduced to Paleo by a friend, and while it's been great in getting me off of crap food, grain, and most dairy, there's been a few questions I've had (I see a lot of yes vs no answers on most of these questions).

I know that fat is good, and you can have grass-fed butter and bacon. But are these ok to consume excessively (for a lack of a better term). I'm still a little brain washed by the whole "fat is bad blah blah" issue, but would using half to a whole stick of butter every day, and eating lots of bacon still be considered healthy if the amount of fat being consumed was still monitored since I still have some weight to lose?

Lastly, I came across a thread about eating 1 single meal instead of multiple meals every day. For a while I've been consuming 5-6 meals a day, but would switching to 2 meals a day (or 1 on workout days) still be ok to do every day?

Thanks!

51b472fa449ab0e5433f27dcd799fedd

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on September 10, 2011
at 07:43 PM

Yeah, I went through a bacon phase until I realized it was loaded to the gills with omega 6.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on September 10, 2011
at 03:12 PM

Well, the thing is, even if you are eating an astounding number of calories and are losing weight (as I have done myself at certain points), that doesn't mean the energy is not going somewhere. I presume it just means you are using an astounding amount of energy. For instance, if Matt Stone's theory has any validity, the excess energy is being used thermally to raise your body temperature.

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on September 10, 2011
at 02:41 PM

i don't agree with him and don't know it counts as evidence but...Matt Stone's overfeeding theories for temperature and weight loss would be an example.

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on September 10, 2011
at 02:03 PM

No, there could not be such evidence. of course you consume fewer calories than you need if you're losing weight! That's tautologically true. The point is that when you are eating the right foods, you usually don't need to *monitor* them to achieve that.

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on September 10, 2011
at 12:58 PM

Is there any evidence of people losing weight while eating more calories than they physically need? I agree monitoring calories probably isn't the best way to lose weight but I figure most people are probably eating under maintenance calorie needs for the most for whatever reason if they are losing weight.

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100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on September 10, 2011
at 04:31 AM

A significant number of people here will say you still have to monitor calories to lose weight. (I am not one of them: though I acknowledge that it may be the case for some people, I don't think it is true for most.) However, almost no-one would contend that you have to reign in your fat intake. To the contrary, the most effective weight-loss strategy is usually a high fat, low carb diet, where fat makes up about 60-80% of your calories. Those of us who have tried to go higher than that usually report it to be uncomfortably difficult -- I don't think you could do it by accident. Butter and bacon are your friends.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on September 10, 2011
at 02:03 PM

No, there could not be such evidence. of course you consume fewer calories than you need if you're losing weight! That's tautologically true. The point is that when you are eating the right foods, you usually don't need to *monitor* them to achieve that.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on September 10, 2011
at 12:58 PM

Is there any evidence of people losing weight while eating more calories than they physically need? I agree monitoring calories probably isn't the best way to lose weight but I figure most people are probably eating under maintenance calorie needs for the most for whatever reason if they are losing weight.

7c9f81d68c78de1a31eab9c91c17b4b8

on September 10, 2011
at 02:41 PM

i don't agree with him and don't know it counts as evidence but...Matt Stone's overfeeding theories for temperature and weight loss would be an example.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18696)

on September 10, 2011
at 03:12 PM

Well, the thing is, even if you are eating an astounding number of calories and are losing weight (as I have done myself at certain points), that doesn't mean the energy is not going somewhere. I presume it just means you are using an astounding amount of energy. For instance, if Matt Stone's theory has any validity, the excess energy is being used thermally to raise your body temperature.

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on September 10, 2011
at 12:52 PM

I eat bacon several times a week and cook with butter, but I can't imagine going through a stick of butter every day! (Well, I can imagine it in a shocked way, since my husband showed me video of deep fried butter sticks on YouTube, but that's another matter...)

Anyway, I'm a child of the low-fat generation. I still recall checking the labels to see if I could eat something based on the Susan Powter method. It takes a little while, mentally, and yes, a little while physically, to build up to eating so much fat. But once I started aiming for what Nora Gedgundas calls "low carb, moderate protein, high fat" I began to lose weight. I was 218 when I delivered my younger daughter 18 months ago. I was 175 after beginning to eat paleo/primal last summer at the urging of my chiro, and I'm currently 158 and wearing size 6 Gap jeans!!

About the multiple meals: I've found that, as my body has adjusted to eating paleo/primal style, I haven't wanted to snack or eat multiple meals. I eat 2-3 meals daily and am very satisfied.

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on September 10, 2011
at 10:35 AM

Animal fat from ruminant animals (cows, sheep) is fantastic, however if you are eating baon and butter everyday there are potentially some problems, nt exactly from the fat. From the butter, there maybe a problem with the dairy content, depending on how you react to that, and the bacon I would be a little concerned with the omega 6 content, don't get me wrong, I LOVE butter and bacon, but eat neither evry day. Try adding coconut oil into the mix which is a fabulous source of fat.

51b472fa449ab0e5433f27dcd799fedd

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on September 10, 2011
at 07:43 PM

Yeah, I went through a bacon phase until I realized it was loaded to the gills with omega 6.

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on September 10, 2011
at 05:25 AM

Great Question.

I would start with three meals a day without snacking. If you can do that then try 2-3 meals a day. Then if you are realy solid try one a day on ocassion.

Taubes book Why We Get Fat will be helpful in enjoying fat more.

I eat 2 tbsp butter with 4 eggs every morning. I would prefer Coconut oil but I have issues with it.

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