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Butter and heart attack (how many of you use butter?)

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Created January 15, 2012 at 4:46 AM

I use about a total of 2 oz of grass-fed European (probably organic) butter a day from Kerrygold and Smjor. Either by cooking with, cooking in, or smearing onto sourdough. It's my main source of fat as the rest of the foods I eat is white basmati rice, raw or cooked vegetables, sourdough bread, and kefir. I eat grass fed organic sirloin on occassion, but even that is a 'lean' meat.

Has anyone here lived off saturated fat, especially butter, for years and had wonky feelings around the heart or had a heart attack? Aren't you scared?

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on January 15, 2012
at 07:01 AM

Chest pains = see a doctor, maybe even go to the ER.

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on January 15, 2012
at 05:50 AM

How do you know this pain is your heart, as opposed to something digestive, or musculoskeletal? Have you been diagnosed with angina or similar? If you've been to the doctor and been tested, ignore what I just said. But if you are suffering from chest pains and you haven't been to the doctor, you should do that first. One night I woke up with serious pains in my chest, felt like crap. Rang emergency, was in hospital and monitored immediately. Long story short: nothing wrong with my heart. Pain was something else entirely, probably muscular.

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on January 15, 2012
at 05:35 AM

But a week before my recent heart pains, around Christmas and New Years, I didn't have the means to buy my own groceries and out of courtesy I ate on a SAD diet along with the rest of my family. My acne came back and I felt drowsy again. I catched a cold. Then a week later (last week), I began having painful heart. I regret it. So, it might be the SAD diet that's giving me the pain, but even then, heart pains were still rare and I was thinking, "how come I am getting heart pains around the time I am adding more butter into my diet?"

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on January 15, 2012
at 05:34 AM

I am on a combination of raw and paleo. I came here to ask about butter though, as I know paleos eat A LOT of butter. When I was on SAD diet, I had painful heart feelings like this once in a while for years, and had migraines every week. I was relatively a healthy eater as I ate a lot of homecooked meals with family, but I was still sick and tired most of the time. When I put myself on raw diet plus goat dairy (butter, kefir, raw cheese), I revitalized like I never have in years. This was the first winter I didn't catch a cold. Over a month ago, I added cooked foods and meats and felt fine.

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on January 15, 2012
at 06:02 AM

I use less butter than I do other fats. I eat a lot of fat when I'm being 'strictly' paleo. My understanding is that it's the butter in combination with stuff from SAD that isn't good. Like sourdough.

The last stew I made, I sauteed the onions, garlic, & celery in coconut oil, then I added more oil to brown the meat. I sauteed the mushrooms in a lot of kerrygold. Man that was good stew. I can tolerate lots of healthy fats when I'm not eating grains.

Since I don't eat breads or grains, not a lot of stuff to put butter on. I do like melted butter on my veggies and I LOVE to fry/sautee stuff in butter. It just tastes yummy.

I've not had chest pains (apart the occasional gas, and I get a lot of rib dislocations/subluxations).

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on January 15, 2012
at 06:56 AM

Tom Naughton's "Big Fat Fiasco" presentation may be of a lot of interest to you.

Did you know that saturated fat intake has never been conclusively and singularly associated with heart disease? I could recommend a few books and studies too, if you'd like. I've been very interested in the relationship (or lack of relationship) between saturated fat intake, cholesterol, and cardiovascular disease and have done a lot of research with what I can get my hands on as a scientific layperson.

As far as n=1, I just got my lipid test results and my cholesterol ratios are even better than I expected. I eat a lot of saturated fat, cooking just about everything in uncured, local bacon fat, ghee (clarified butter, i.e. without the lactose and casein), and coconut oil.

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on January 15, 2012
at 04:52 AM

Thats actually quite a low amount of fat compared to many Paleo's on here from what I have observed. IMO, its fine. What I want to know is how you feel, energy, bodystats on a low fat, low protein, high carb paleo type diet?

8e10b687e328468783a72c55b64710e8

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on January 15, 2012
at 05:34 AM

I am on a combination of raw and paleo. I came here to ask about butter though, as I know paleos eat A LOT of butter. When I was on SAD diet, I had painful heart feelings like this once in a while for years, and had migraines every week. I was relatively a healthy eater as I ate a lot of homecooked meals with family, but I was still sick and tired most of the time. When I put myself on raw diet plus goat dairy (butter, kefir, raw cheese), I revitalized like I never have in years. This was the first winter I didn't catch a cold. Over a month ago, I added cooked foods and meats and felt fine.

7d01d86c539003eed77cf901bf037412

(1076)

on January 15, 2012
at 05:50 AM

How do you know this pain is your heart, as opposed to something digestive, or musculoskeletal? Have you been diagnosed with angina or similar? If you've been to the doctor and been tested, ignore what I just said. But if you are suffering from chest pains and you haven't been to the doctor, you should do that first. One night I woke up with serious pains in my chest, felt like crap. Rang emergency, was in hospital and monitored immediately. Long story short: nothing wrong with my heart. Pain was something else entirely, probably muscular.

8e10b687e328468783a72c55b64710e8

(1453)

on January 15, 2012
at 05:35 AM

But a week before my recent heart pains, around Christmas and New Years, I didn't have the means to buy my own groceries and out of courtesy I ate on a SAD diet along with the rest of my family. My acne came back and I felt drowsy again. I catched a cold. Then a week later (last week), I began having painful heart. I regret it. So, it might be the SAD diet that's giving me the pain, but even then, heart pains were still rare and I was thinking, "how come I am getting heart pains around the time I am adding more butter into my diet?"

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on January 15, 2012
at 07:54 AM

I've never had a heart attack, but I did hear Calliflower Esselstyn say that heart disease was a toothless paper tiger and we need never be afraid of it.

That pretty much sealed it for me. I never was afraid of paper tigers to begin with, so I don't know why they'd have to be toothless.

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on January 15, 2012
at 06:12 AM

I am not a doctor. I have never heard of anyone having a heart attack from eating 2 oz of butter once a day for a week.

I do live with irregular heart beats. Chocolate, salt, coconut and low magnesium are my triggers for that. Along with wheat and any additives to food.

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