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butter and cream

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created August 04, 2011 at 10:27 PM

I'd love to have some feedback on: "to eat or not to eat butter" as well as "to eat or not to eat heavy cream"

Considering that butter and cream are dairy, yet argueably straight fat.

Also, considering you're referring to a person that has no lactose or other issue with dairy products.

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on August 17, 2011
at 04:33 PM

I feel that I am addicted to all dairy, so I avoid them. Ghee is fine. If I can get my hands on fermented raw milk I will definitely try it. Industrial dairy is poisonous, dead and linked to serious diseases. Raw dairy can be really healthy but is not necessary and given the fact that dairy morphins can interfere with brain function I rather avoid it.

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on August 17, 2011
at 04:01 PM

Andy - coconut oil is the one rich in MCT's, not butter.

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on August 17, 2011
at 03:35 PM

It's due to the medium chain triglycerides found in butter.

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on August 05, 2011
at 04:04 AM

I agree. Ditch the Earth balance and go with butter or coconut butter.

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on August 05, 2011
at 03:45 AM

Some species of insects "milk" aphids for secretions from their antennae. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphid#Ant_mutualism I think the reason why you don't see more of this in the wild is because it requires animal husbandry. Bovine evolution to the point where cows would trust humans to milk them must have taken quite a bit of time and effort, along with humans developing skills at defending their willing cows from other predators.

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on August 05, 2011
at 02:37 AM

I apologize Aaron, you're right!

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on August 05, 2011
at 01:39 AM

What's the serving size? I'm going to guess it's one tablespoon or so, and they're rounding down to zero. Check the USDA database or Fitday, and you'll get 6.6g/cup of carbs (and about 5g protein) in a cup of heavy cream. When you churn it, the fat separates out as butter, and *then* it's pure fat (more or less), while the carbs and protein are left in the buttermilk.

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on August 05, 2011
at 01:35 AM

He's talking about per cup. A serving size is usually a tablespoon.

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on August 05, 2011
at 01:35 AM

Aaron is right, heavy cream has carbs - it still contains milk-solids, i.e. some lactose and casein remain present albeit in small amounts. The 0g carbs on the label is *per serving*.... meaning less than 0.5g carb/TBS.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

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on August 05, 2011
at 01:28 AM

there are other fats. earth balance is the ENEMY.

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on August 05, 2011
at 01:27 AM

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Dec2b5814c850b2b2510bd0a87bb4642

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on August 05, 2011
at 01:11 AM

Most milk that you buy off the shelf now days, isn't really milk anymore. They boil and kill off all the good stuff and then add chemicals to it.

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on August 05, 2011
at 01:06 AM

Anna - I recommend that you ditch the Earth Balance, which has bad-for-you soy and canola oils (http://www.earthbalancenatural.com/eb_pdfs/products/original-nutrition-info.pdf). Just eat real, wholesome, pastured butter if dairy doesn't mess with you otherwise! It is way healthier for you than Earth Balance.

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on August 05, 2011
at 01:04 AM

Yeah I'm going to disagree here also - I use Organic Valley heavy whipping cream and it has zero carbs and nothing in the ingredients but cream

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on August 05, 2011
at 01:01 AM

what exactly is it?

E06dcdb3f856057025e9776e038d8072

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on August 04, 2011
at 11:39 PM

does this vary? My cream (HEB heavy whipping cream) has no carbs according to the label. This isn't organic cream, though. I just decided to try it the other day (OMG-it's amazing on strawberries), and grabbed what was at the groc store. Is that the difference?

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03fa485bfd54734522755f47a5e6597e

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on August 04, 2011
at 11:01 PM

I like the Kurt Harris approach: as long as you don't have problems with dairy, it's a good source of quality fats. And some people who have problems with lactose can still have high-fat dairy like butter and cream. If you're casein intolerant, that may be more of a problem.

Butter is arguably straight fat (plus some water a small amount of milk solids, unless you skim them off, giving you ghee), but heavy cream is not; it contains 6.6g of carbs per cup. Very high fat, but not "straight," just for the record.

34a367e60db77270bd7096dc04270fdc

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on August 05, 2011
at 01:04 AM

Yeah I'm going to disagree here also - I use Organic Valley heavy whipping cream and it has zero carbs and nothing in the ingredients but cream

Cab7e4ef73c5d7d7a77e1c3d7f5773a1

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on August 05, 2011
at 01:35 AM

He's talking about per cup. A serving size is usually a tablespoon.

34a367e60db77270bd7096dc04270fdc

(4171)

on August 05, 2011
at 02:37 AM

I apologize Aaron, you're right!

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

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on August 05, 2011
at 01:35 AM

Aaron is right, heavy cream has carbs - it still contains milk-solids, i.e. some lactose and casein remain present albeit in small amounts. The 0g carbs on the label is *per serving*.... meaning less than 0.5g carb/TBS.

E06dcdb3f856057025e9776e038d8072

(305)

on August 04, 2011
at 11:39 PM

does this vary? My cream (HEB heavy whipping cream) has no carbs according to the label. This isn't organic cream, though. I just decided to try it the other day (OMG-it's amazing on strawberries), and grabbed what was at the groc store. Is that the difference?

03fa485bfd54734522755f47a5e6597e

(3944)

on August 05, 2011
at 01:39 AM

What's the serving size? I'm going to guess it's one tablespoon or so, and they're rounding down to zero. Check the USDA database or Fitday, and you'll get 6.6g/cup of carbs (and about 5g protein) in a cup of heavy cream. When you churn it, the fat separates out as butter, and *then* it's pure fat (more or less), while the carbs and protein are left in the buttermilk.

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C56baa1b4f39839c018180bf63226f7d

on August 05, 2011
at 03:47 AM

There are stories here on PH about people who eat large amounts of butter without issue; it seems to be readily convertible to both mental and physical energy. The Maasai of Kenya get most of their calories from dairy, both raw and fermented, and live lives free of heart disease, with comparable longevity once infant mortality is accounted for. Fermented dairy has been a staple of Middle Eastern diets for thousands of years as well.

If you're concerned about it, go without any dairy for two weeks, then add in clarified butter. You can buy it already clarified, or clarify it yourself by melting it over low heat and decanting the pure fat away from the milk solid sediment. Then try whole butter again (Kerrygold is a good choice, and it's delicious) and see if there are any effects that you notice. Then try heavy cream if butter isn't an issue. If any of these cause problems, stop consumption!

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on August 05, 2011
at 01:08 AM

We eat butter and cream quite a bit, if we drink milk it's either homemade almond milk or raw milk (when we can afford it). We use the Kerrygold butter, because it's grass fed. Robb Wolf says to try to go 30 days without dairy and then add it back in and see how you feel. Sometimes it can affect our bodies but we dont know it because it's something that's always been in our diet.

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on August 05, 2011
at 01:04 AM

I am not sure. I like butter and cream, and I know that dairy has many nutritional qualities. It also strikes me as curious that humans would feed on other species milk: no other species is normally doing this in the wild! Besides there are many studies linking milk to serious illness like diabetes or atherosclerosis: http://www.yourhealthbase.com/A2_milk.htm

In summary I am quite confused about milk and dairy....

Dec2b5814c850b2b2510bd0a87bb4642

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on August 05, 2011
at 01:11 AM

Most milk that you buy off the shelf now days, isn't really milk anymore. They boil and kill off all the good stuff and then add chemicals to it.

C56baa1b4f39839c018180bf63226f7d

(3499)

on August 05, 2011
at 03:45 AM

Some species of insects "milk" aphids for secretions from their antennae. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphid#Ant_mutualism I think the reason why you don't see more of this in the wild is because it requires animal husbandry. Bovine evolution to the point where cows would trust humans to milk them must have taken quite a bit of time and effort, along with humans developing skills at defending their willing cows from other predators.

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on August 04, 2011
at 11:59 PM

Even though butter is made from cream, I find I do MUCH MUCH better with butter than I do cream. I think some more of the offensive proteins gets taken out when making butter? FWIW

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on August 17, 2011
at 03:18 PM

My nutritionist, who is the blessed person who told me about Paleo (which has changed my life), told me not to eat any dairy EXCEPT organic butter, which she encouraged me to eat copius amounts of. She said it's anti-inflammatory and is as good as taking metformin, the drug I'm on for PCOS :) She said it will boost metabolism. I dont know the official reason though/don't have a resource - perhaps I will google it now! It seems to be working out ok!

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on August 17, 2011
at 04:01 PM

Andy - coconut oil is the one rich in MCT's, not butter.

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on August 17, 2011
at 03:35 PM

It's due to the medium chain triglycerides found in butter.

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on August 04, 2011
at 11:40 PM

I was introduced to a dairy free, soy free 'butter' called Earth Balance that let's me feel like I'm eating butter in my cooking. It's how I keep from going completely crazy after losing dairy in my diet.

Dec2b5814c850b2b2510bd0a87bb4642

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on August 05, 2011
at 01:01 AM

what exactly is it?

D30ff86ad2c1f3b43b99aed213bcf461

on August 05, 2011
at 01:06 AM

Anna - I recommend that you ditch the Earth Balance, which has bad-for-you soy and canola oils (http://www.earthbalancenatural.com/eb_pdfs/products/original-nutrition-info.pdf). Just eat real, wholesome, pastured butter if dairy doesn't mess with you otherwise! It is way healthier for you than Earth Balance.

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on August 05, 2011
at 04:04 AM

I agree. Ditch the Earth balance and go with butter or coconut butter.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

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on August 05, 2011
at 01:27 AM

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

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on August 05, 2011
at 01:28 AM

there are other fats. earth balance is the ENEMY.

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on August 04, 2011
at 11:11 PM

I eat both on a frequent basis

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