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a question regarding the "faileo diet"

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Created November 11, 2012 at 9:56 PM

I was introduced to paleo from my friend a couple weeks back, and he explained it to me as basically just eliminating (or severely limiting) consumption of grains, legumes, and beans (foods that are "neolithic") and focusing on fruits, vegetables, meats, fish, and nuts.

Well, he came over today and saw that I've been mostly eating lean meats from chicken breast, fish (mackerel, sardines, salmon), fruits, and vegetables. According to him this is the "faileo diet" on not sustainable- I need more saturated fats from eggs, red meat, and coconut oil or butter.

I've only been doing this a couple weeks now, but it's not huge adjustment from my previous eating patter. Am I going to run out of steam? I have a hard time digesting red meat (considering digestive enzymes), don't have a use for coconut oil, and didn't realize that butter is "primal acceptable" until today when he told me.

Is this faileo diet? Am I going to run into problems if I don't start adding in red meat, more eggs (right now I eat about 2-4 eggs a week), and some butter or coconut?

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on November 13, 2012
at 02:13 PM

^ Nice. THere is no problem. People just have some irrational visceral reaction to the word non-fat because they've apparently been brainwashed by the likes of Taubes, insisting that everything must be as fatty as possible and ignoring the fact that every calorie adds up.

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on November 13, 2012
at 02:04 PM

I am in love with non fat Greek yogurt and eat it daily as a snack. I don't like the high fat yogurt and I seem to need yogurt at least a few times a week or else I don't absorb iron well. I love nonfat Greek yogurt and get plenty of fat in the rest of my diet... So what's the problem?

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on November 12, 2012
at 09:06 PM

Look I'm done defending myself, but I can assure you if you saw me in person, you would not be wondering to yourself if I'm actually sick, as it is readily apparent to who everyone I encounter that I'm exceptionally healthy.

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on November 12, 2012
at 09:01 PM

Also, no obviously i do not believe that fat makes you fat. Nor do I believe that protein makes you fat or carbs make you fat. TOO much of anything will make you fat though, and even if in a zero insulin environment (not possible unless you're a type 1 diabetic) you won't gain fat from eating fat, why would I want to needlessly overfeed on fat just because it won't make me gain weight. That's the same logic as Durrianrider eating 6,000 calories of bananas a day because "Fruit doesn't make you fat"

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on November 12, 2012
at 08:59 PM

of health for any one else's, so I'm not going to do what other people do because they claim to be so healthy because of it. If the benefits outweighed the costs to me then I'd do, but I've done the proper high (saturated) fat ketogenic diet before and the results were disappointing.

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on November 12, 2012
at 08:56 PM

First, paleo is not reenactment. Second, I eat nonfat because I eat it for the protein content, not the fat content, and I prefer to get the bulk of my fat from fatty fish like salmon and sardines, olive oil, and almonds. Avoiding NADs, exercising, and not over-eating/binge eating is how i choose to stay healthy. Also, I am an individual, so doing something just because it more neatly falls under the primal label is not sufficient reason in my book. Neither is doing something just because other people do it and say they are healthier because of it. I wouldn't trade my body or present state...

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on November 12, 2012
at 08:54 PM

First, paleo is not reenactment. Second, I eat nonfat because I eat it for the protein content, not the fat content, and I prefer to get the bulk of my fat from fatty fish like salmon and sardines, olive oil, and almonds. Avoiding NADs, exercising, and not over-eating/binge eating is how i choose to stay healthy. Also, I am an individual, so doing something just because it more neatly falls under the primal label is not sufficient reason.

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on November 12, 2012
at 08:37 PM

at 22 you can eat anything and not gain weight (in my experience). But I would not do anything low-fat. I agree with primallykosher, ditch the non-fat yogurt. high-fat is better tasting and more primal. What cave man would throw out the fat? I'm interested in *why* you chose the low fat. Is it the notion that fat makes you fat? (not true)

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on November 12, 2012
at 08:34 PM

+1 for actually being both faleo AND healthy for 7 years. The paleo police are ever-vigilant for those that don't toe the Atkins line.

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on November 12, 2012
at 08:27 PM

Are you kidding? What about my diet would possibly make me unhealthy (not to mention that I grew up involved in sports, exercise every day, both anaeriobically and aerobically, don't smoke, don't eat vegetable oils or refined sugar, and have a healthy relationship with food). Becuase I said chicken beast and non-fat yogurt? Oh please.

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on November 12, 2012
at 08:04 PM

Why is this getting up-voted? Yeah, it works for being 22 and thin and having nice self-esteem. But are you actually healthy?

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on November 12, 2012
at 08:03 PM

The killer with the buttered steak is that they eat it with a potato (or sweet potato; makes no difference), gain weight, then spend the rest of the night in the dungeon playing World of Warcraft. They get on the scale the next morning and call it faleo.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on November 12, 2012
at 01:27 AM

lol. That just depends on your perspective.

C4f1a0c70c4e0dea507c2e346c036bbd

on November 12, 2012
at 12:56 AM

Nonfat greek yogurt?!? That's a crime against humanity!

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on November 12, 2012
at 12:42 AM

im 22, too :) but only paleo for a year

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on November 11, 2012
at 11:53 PM

You're eating fatty fish. If you eat plenty of that I don't see why you should replace them other than for variety. BTW your faleo sounds like the med diet which hasn't failed for a lot of people over thousands of years.

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at 11:23 PM

isn't it "faileo" rather than "faleo" ???

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Fd7b128cf714044a86d8bd822c7a8992

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on November 12, 2012
at 01:08 AM

As I understand it, "faileo" refers to a kind of cross between Paleo and anorexia where you try to go low-carb and low-fat at the same time regardless of what your body wants. Usually accompanied by a hefty dose of calorie restriction. If you're just eating the way your body naturally leads you to eat, I don't think it's the same thing.

I would be slightly concerned about protein content because as I recall, you can't metabolize more than 30% of calories from protein. I'd also worry about getting enough fat to absorb the fat-soluble nutrients in your food. But if you're getting enough fat from fatty fish like salmon, it might not be an issue. If you don't like red meat but want to get more fat, maybe try olive oil on salads?

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7b20db75b09540914bd0c852e868a9d6

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on November 11, 2012
at 10:16 PM

Its only "faleo" if you, yourself, find it unsustainable. If you find yourself constantly hungry or not satiated with your meals then maybe you should look into eating more fat. Other than that, I think you should find out what combination of protein, fat and fruits & vegetables that you feel best on.

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1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

on November 11, 2012
at 11:07 PM

I would have to agree with what lc875 says. I've been doing 'faileo' for 7 or 8 years now (I'm 22, so that about a third of my life), and am doing great on it. It just comes down to how much you value the benefits over the costs. Personally, I find that the the physical and emotional benefits (improved body composition, athleticism, and self-esteem) outweigh the psychological costs (diminished food reward/comfort). For others it may not. You could easily make up a simple regression using 5-6 variables and figure this out for yourself. Studies in decision-making have shown that these back-of-the-envelope models are often many times more accurate than both "expert"-intuition and complex, multiple regression models with many variables formulated by computers.

Faileo I think means what you described- lean meats, not fatty and organ meats...or butter on vegetables to increase nutrient absorption. I don't do any of that stuff on a consistent enough basis to consider it part of my lifestyle-diet. I mainly eat chicken breasts, all kinds of seafood, and a little bit of dairy and eggs (nonfat greek yogurt, goat/feta cheese, less than 4 egg yolks a week). What I do works well for me, but again, see how your body reacts and do a simple cost-benefit analysis using just 5-6 equally weighted variables.

C4f1a0c70c4e0dea507c2e346c036bbd

on November 12, 2012
at 12:56 AM

Nonfat greek yogurt?!? That's a crime against humanity!

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on November 12, 2012
at 08:59 PM

of health for any one else's, so I'm not going to do what other people do because they claim to be so healthy because of it. If the benefits outweighed the costs to me then I'd do, but I've done the proper high (saturated) fat ketogenic diet before and the results were disappointing.

0a819d945f30ae46a104d7a14e50e739

(105)

on November 12, 2012
at 08:37 PM

at 22 you can eat anything and not gain weight (in my experience). But I would not do anything low-fat. I agree with primallykosher, ditch the non-fat yogurt. high-fat is better tasting and more primal. What cave man would throw out the fat? I'm interested in *why* you chose the low fat. Is it the notion that fat makes you fat? (not true)

7b20db75b09540914bd0c852e868a9d6

(454)

on November 12, 2012
at 12:42 AM

im 22, too :) but only paleo for a year

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on November 12, 2012
at 01:27 AM

lol. That just depends on your perspective.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on November 12, 2012
at 09:01 PM

Also, no obviously i do not believe that fat makes you fat. Nor do I believe that protein makes you fat or carbs make you fat. TOO much of anything will make you fat though, and even if in a zero insulin environment (not possible unless you're a type 1 diabetic) you won't gain fat from eating fat, why would I want to needlessly overfeed on fat just because it won't make me gain weight. That's the same logic as Durrianrider eating 6,000 calories of bananas a day because "Fruit doesn't make you fat"

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on November 12, 2012
at 08:54 PM

First, paleo is not reenactment. Second, I eat nonfat because I eat it for the protein content, not the fat content, and I prefer to get the bulk of my fat from fatty fish like salmon and sardines, olive oil, and almonds. Avoiding NADs, exercising, and not over-eating/binge eating is how i choose to stay healthy. Also, I am an individual, so doing something just because it more neatly falls under the primal label is not sufficient reason.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on November 12, 2012
at 08:56 PM

First, paleo is not reenactment. Second, I eat nonfat because I eat it for the protein content, not the fat content, and I prefer to get the bulk of my fat from fatty fish like salmon and sardines, olive oil, and almonds. Avoiding NADs, exercising, and not over-eating/binge eating is how i choose to stay healthy. Also, I am an individual, so doing something just because it more neatly falls under the primal label is not sufficient reason in my book. Neither is doing something just because other people do it and say they are healthier because of it. I wouldn't trade my body or present state...

2e777bbcd49262eb31a24f821abec6bc

(1974)

on November 13, 2012
at 02:04 PM

I am in love with non fat Greek yogurt and eat it daily as a snack. I don't like the high fat yogurt and I seem to need yogurt at least a few times a week or else I don't absorb iron well. I love nonfat Greek yogurt and get plenty of fat in the rest of my diet... So what's the problem?

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on November 12, 2012
at 09:06 PM

Look I'm done defending myself, but I can assure you if you saw me in person, you would not be wondering to yourself if I'm actually sick, as it is readily apparent to who everyone I encounter that I'm exceptionally healthy.

C2450eb7fa11b37473599caf93b461ef

(3225)

on November 12, 2012
at 08:04 PM

Why is this getting up-voted? Yeah, it works for being 22 and thin and having nice self-esteem. But are you actually healthy?

Medium avatar

(10611)

on November 12, 2012
at 08:34 PM

+1 for actually being both faleo AND healthy for 7 years. The paleo police are ever-vigilant for those that don't toe the Atkins line.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on November 12, 2012
at 08:27 PM

Are you kidding? What about my diet would possibly make me unhealthy (not to mention that I grew up involved in sports, exercise every day, both anaeriobically and aerobically, don't smoke, don't eat vegetable oils or refined sugar, and have a healthy relationship with food). Becuase I said chicken beast and non-fat yogurt? Oh please.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on November 13, 2012
at 02:13 PM

^ Nice. THere is no problem. People just have some irrational visceral reaction to the word non-fat because they've apparently been brainwashed by the likes of Taubes, insisting that everything must be as fatty as possible and ignoring the fact that every calorie adds up.

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on November 12, 2012
at 07:29 PM

I think the "faileo" diet is actually the opposite. When people are trying to lose weight, and they eat a 36oz steak that was poached in butter and wonder why they cannot lose weight (is it bad I am drooling while I write that?). My diet is a mixture of a lot of different types of meat I don't pursue one over the other.

I think some people over-emphasis fat. You should not purposefully avoid fat, but eating lean meat over fattier meat is not necessarily beneficial. Listen to your body. If your energy levels are good, keep it up. If they drop, experiment a bit.

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on November 12, 2012
at 08:03 PM

The killer with the buttered steak is that they eat it with a potato (or sweet potato; makes no difference), gain weight, then spend the rest of the night in the dungeon playing World of Warcraft. They get on the scale the next morning and call it faleo.

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on November 11, 2012
at 10:20 PM

It can take some time to transition. It doesn't sound like what you're eating now is horrible by any means. It does seem a bit light on the fat, but if you're just starting out on Paleo, I think that's pretty common. I wouldn't worry about it right now if you're feeling fine, but if you notice your energy dropping or having crazy cravings, increasing fat intake would be the first place I'd look. Plus, adding more fat is probably one of the easiest changes to make in your diet, because it is pretty low-volume and calorie-dense. A little goes a long way!

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on November 12, 2012
at 11:54 AM

Eat what you like, as long as you??re on the paleo, if that is what you have decided to follow through. It should be pretty simple what you can eat on this diet!! Eat the allowed food, that you like the most, if you don??t like red meat, you shouldn??t eat it! It??s a shame when a simple diet becomes "something difficult and complicated"...Somebody always has a better advise to give, because there are at some super-level :( You do not mention how you feel or if you have lost weight? Do what you feel is right, there is no wrong way to do the paleo-diet, if you just follow the plan.. A lot of people do the 80/20 method and they still feel great and lose weight! All the best from me :)

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on November 12, 2012
at 08:25 AM

If you're eating lots of fatty fish (like sardines and salmon, as you mentioned) I don't see what is so faileo about it. Not everyone thrives on a high beef diet. Try to get some shellfish like mussels or oysters once a week to add some nutrient density and iodine and you should be golden.

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on November 11, 2012
at 10:03 PM

I would completely eliminate grains and legumes. Eat whole eggs not just whites. For red meat look up chris kresser's betaine hcl protocol. It should help you start eating red meat again.

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on November 12, 2012
at 03:35 PM

Vitamin K2 is very important and the easiest source in the Western diet is butter or butter oil (ghee) from grass fed dairy. That's something you may wish to consider adding in. And don't forget that you absolutely need fat to get the benefit of vitamins A,D, E, & K from your diet. The suggestion to add at least olive oil is a good one--drizzle it on your veggies.

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on November 12, 2012
at 04:07 AM

I second what's being said above. I would add that the most obvious use for coconut oil would be cooking with it or butter and then drizzling whats left over your meal for the added fat. What do you cook with now?

Also it's not recommended for more than 25% of the diet to come from protein because it can lead to more ammonia being produced in your gut.. And thats definitely gonna be an issue.

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