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Is coffee and fat together neurotoxic?

Commented on September 17, 2016
Created August 20, 2012 at 5:55 PM

Like many folks I have been adding butter and MCT oil to my coffee. So I'm ingesting about 16 oz of coffee (the low-toxin kind) with 4 tbsp of butter and 3 tbsp of MCT oil each morning as my "breakfast". Its about 600 calories, by the way.

Although this seems to give me nicely stable energy and blood glucose levels all day long until my limited carb/protein meal at dinner, I just wish I knew more about the long term impact on the brain, if there is any.

I've done some google searching and either I haven't hit the right search terms or there's not much available specifically on the combined effect of caffiene + fat on the brain. I did find a lot of claims that coffee causes belly fat but that's neither here nor there.

Anybody have any links to studies or other info about any bad effects of coffee or caffiene + fat on the brain?

Thanks.

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on September 17, 2016
at 04:03 AM

It's very hard to even conceive of something like coffee or MCT oil as neurotoxic, when the most notorious neutotoxins are substances like aspartame, msg, mercury, aluminum, sucralose, and refined sugar.

As for Mercola, he called coffee a superdrink and listed at least 5 benefits to drinking it. So the reference to Mercola in this thread to buttress the notion that coffee is unhealthy is erroneous.

02e3da1b6f47f07e275bc6b66195b7b8

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on September 17, 2016
at 04:03 AM

It's very hard to even conceive of something like coffee or MCT oil as neurotoxic, when the most notorious neutotoxins are substances like aspartame, msg, mercury, aluminum, sucralose, and refined sugar.

As for Mercola, he called coffee a superdrink and listed at least 5 benefits to drinking it. So the reference to Mercola in this thread to buttress the notion that coffee is unhealthy is erroneous.

02e3da1b6f47f07e275bc6b66195b7b8

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on September 17, 2016
at 04:03 AM

It's very hard to even conceive of something like coffee or MCT oil as neurotoxic, when the most notorious neutotoxins are substances like aspartame, msg, mercury, aluminum, sucralose, and refined sugar.

As for Mercola, he called coffee a superdrink and listed at least 5 benefits to drinking it. So the reference to Mercola in this thread to buttress the notion that coffee is unhealthy is erroneous.

02e3da1b6f47f07e275bc6b66195b7b8

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on September 17, 2016
at 04:03 AM

It's very hard to even conceive of something like coffee or MCT oil as neurotoxic, when the most notorious neutotoxins are substances like aspartame, msg, mercury, aluminum, sucralose, and refined sugar.

As for Mercola, he called coffee a superdrink and listed at least 5 benefits to drinking it. So the reference to Mercola in this thread to buttress the notion that coffee is unhealthy is erroneous.

02e3da1b6f47f07e275bc6b66195b7b8

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on September 17, 2016
at 04:03 AM

It's very hard to even conceive of something like coffee or MCT oil as neurotoxic, when the most notorious neutotoxins are substances like aspartame, msg, mercury, aluminum, sucralose, and refined sugar.

As for Mercola, he called coffee a superdrink and listed at least 5 benefits to drinking it. So the reference to Mercola in this thread to buttress the notion that coffee is unhealthy is erroneous.

02e3da1b6f47f07e275bc6b66195b7b8

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on September 17, 2016
at 04:03 AM

It's very hard to even conceive of something like coffee or MCT oil as neurotoxic, when the most notorious neutotoxins are substances like aspartame, msg, mercury, aluminum, sucralose, and refined sugar.

As for Mercola, he called coffee a superdrink and listed at least 5 benefits to drinking it. So the reference to Mercola in this thread to buttress the notion that coffee is unhealthy is erroneous.

02e3da1b6f47f07e275bc6b66195b7b8

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on September 17, 2016
at 04:03 AM

It's very hard to even conceive of something like coffee or MCT oil as neurotoxic, when the most notorious neutotoxins are substances like aspartame, msg, mercury, aluminum, sucralose, and refined sugar.

As for Mercola, he called coffee a superdrink and listed at least 5 benefits to drinking it. So the reference to Mercola in this thread to buttress the notion that coffee is unhealthy is erroneous.

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on February 24, 2013
at 11:06 PM

Dave, what is your opinion on red virgin palm oil? I've been substituting it in place of grass fed butter for my bulletproof coffee (still use the MCT oil).

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on February 24, 2013
at 11:04 PM

What specific nutrients do the mind and body require that might not be available?

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on November 18, 2012
at 05:22 AM

Thanks Scott - same here. No mechanism, no evidence I can find. My recipe is helping people get off ADD medication now too according to some accounts.

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on November 18, 2012
at 05:16 AM

It's a fair point - cavemen didn't have Bulletproof Coffee. Then again, they all died. The difference between Paleo and what I do on the BPE is that I don't care what paleo people may have eaten - I only care about what makes people feel great, perform well, and live a long time. Cavemen didn't have test tubes or mass spectrometers, but we do. Ignoring data from them would be...crazy.

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on September 27, 2012
at 02:48 PM

Hi Dave, I have been researching since posting this question and I've found nothing to support the idea that high fat and caffeine together is toxic. My question really stems from knowing that caffeine helps transport stuff into the brain and the energy felt is almost too good to be true. I'm a big fan and love the coffee. I'm drinking it right now - 20 oz coffee, 4 tbsp butter and 3 tbsp MCT oil. I credit this with stabilization of my BG and mood swings. I've been drinking it for some months and the other day my wife said, I'm different and much more pleasant to be around.

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on August 21, 2012
at 03:20 PM

@Amy sure, those two are not identical, but yet still are the same in a sense that they both induce rather unnatural metabolic conditions which have probably not been experienced by paleo people (akin to running a lawnmower on a rocket engine fuel)

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on August 21, 2012
at 02:26 PM

Are you seriously comparing some coffee with heavy cream or coconut oil to "gulping pure high fructose corm syrup?" Wow.

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on August 21, 2012
at 12:14 AM

One of my favourite quotes! It actually has a solid philosophical basis -- it was just his delivery that peeps found amusing.

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on August 21, 2012
at 12:13 AM

Yes, Rumsfeld was lame alright.

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on August 21, 2012
at 12:11 AM

lol Steve just like this right: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeJXcf2Oc2U&feature=related

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on August 20, 2012
at 11:44 PM

I enjoyed the diatribe...right up until the point where she mentioned Mercola...what a buzz kill that guy can be.

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on August 20, 2012
at 11:10 PM

My hands would have to be cold and dead, unless of course there is some long term potential for brain damage.

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on August 20, 2012
at 11:07 PM

Is it bad that I read this in Gin Rummy's voice? (From The Boondocks)

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on August 20, 2012
at 11:07 PM

Funny. Granted, coffee + fat is not a FAST neurotoxin like say nerve gas, but is there any evidence of long term detriment?

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on August 20, 2012
at 10:52 PM

lame. lame. lame.

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on August 20, 2012
at 09:35 PM

Thanks for the dose of your personal conviction. Believe me I do know coffee is a stimulant and I have tried numerous things for breakfast throughout my years. Further, I'm clearly not strict paleo as I ingest loads of dairy fat and extracted MCT oil. Since you plainly state you don't care how defensive I get, then I will be blunt as well - your answer doesn't address the posed question and sounds preachy. You really don't offer any real information about why coffee + fat is unhealthful, just a diatribe against stimulants.

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on August 20, 2012
at 09:28 PM

Fresh fruit first thing in the morning shoots my glucose levels through the roof. Eating before I leave for work makes me feel ill and, if I don't eat, I am absolutely ravenous by 9AM and hungry again before I leave work. This throws my whole schedule off and I can't enjoy supper with my family. Coffee mixed with MCT oil and butter tastes great and keeps me full until dinner. I am also able to consume fewer calories than before and I am continuing to lose weight.

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on August 20, 2012
at 07:44 PM

Whether you have hyperlipidemia is going to depend more on the rest of your diet. High fat diets of the low carb kind are not neurotoxic. In fact they are neuroprotective.

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on August 20, 2012
at 06:19 PM

^ oops I meant to say if COFFEE could somehow increase FAT transport into the brain. Maybe it IS affecting me!

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on August 20, 2012
at 06:14 PM

Well I have seen some mumblings about hyperlipemia being neurotoxic and/or causing strokes, so I was wondering if fat could somehow increase fat transport into the brain or induce a form of hyperlipemia.

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on August 20, 2012
at 06:01 PM

Do you have a *reason* to suspect the combination is neurotoxic? Not saying it is or isn't...just never even considered it as an issue, so I'm curious about what made you think of this. With all the minutia that gets dissected to hell and back around here, I'd be surprised if the combo was harmful and no one knew about it yet. (Think about all the people doing bulletproof coffee, or just coffee with heavy cream.)

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E45c5a1c8df73da5e03bb6e7e90f8420

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on August 20, 2012
at 08:45 PM

It seems that the main point in Paleo eating is to eat natural, whole foods that are close to what the 'Cavemen' would have found while out hunting/foraging. So it baffles me that so many people consider coffee (which is processed) mixed with some butter to qualify as breakfast. How is this healthy? You are ingesting an addictive stimulant (I don't care how defensive people get about this) paired with some fat. Why not eat fresh fruit (if your gut allows) or some vegetables and meat? I have personally found that in the quest to feel my best coffee has to go. As far as coffee/fat being a neurotoxin, I can't think of why that would be. However, I certainly don't think it is good for you. You can look up coffee's adverse affects on Dr Mercola's site.

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on August 20, 2012
at 09:28 PM

Fresh fruit first thing in the morning shoots my glucose levels through the roof. Eating before I leave for work makes me feel ill and, if I don't eat, I am absolutely ravenous by 9AM and hungry again before I leave work. This throws my whole schedule off and I can't enjoy supper with my family. Coffee mixed with MCT oil and butter tastes great and keeps me full until dinner. I am also able to consume fewer calories than before and I am continuing to lose weight.

7f8bc7ce5c34aae50408d31812c839b0

(2698)

on August 20, 2012
at 09:35 PM

Thanks for the dose of your personal conviction. Believe me I do know coffee is a stimulant and I have tried numerous things for breakfast throughout my years. Further, I'm clearly not strict paleo as I ingest loads of dairy fat and extracted MCT oil. Since you plainly state you don't care how defensive I get, then I will be blunt as well - your answer doesn't address the posed question and sounds preachy. You really don't offer any real information about why coffee + fat is unhealthful, just a diatribe against stimulants.

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on August 20, 2012
at 11:44 PM

I enjoyed the diatribe...right up until the point where she mentioned Mercola...what a buzz kill that guy can be.

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on August 20, 2012
at 10:55 PM

No worries, just wrap up all your grass fed butter and low-mycotoxin coffee beans and mail'em all to me. I'll safely dispose of them ;)

We know consuming good fats is safe and helpful for our brains (ketones, beta oxidation leads to far less ROS than carbs.) We know coffee is beneficial, and the caffeine, while addictive, and damaging of adrenals if overdone, has a beneficial effect as well.

Why would the two cause issues?

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on August 20, 2012
at 11:10 PM

My hands would have to be cold and dead, unless of course there is some long term potential for brain damage.

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on August 20, 2012
at 11:03 PM

One of the most deadly neurotoxins known to man, a dart filled with coffee and fat has been known to fell a galloping rhino from 200 yards. It is deadly to all mammals, especially the kind who give birth. The CDC estimates that 10 cc of it could destroy an entire city's water supply, and bring our entire nation to its knees within 12 minutes.

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on August 20, 2012
at 11:07 PM

Funny. Granted, coffee + fat is not a FAST neurotoxin like say nerve gas, but is there any evidence of long term detriment?

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on August 21, 2012
at 12:11 AM

lol Steve just like this right: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeJXcf2Oc2U&feature=related

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E45254f32389b6f8f56f1d7f335e616c

on September 27, 2012
at 06:07 AM

I have found no evidence that Bulletproof Coffee is neurotoxic, and since I invented it, I'm also the longest tested guinea pig.

MCT oil - because it helps brain mitochondria - would likely help you to excrete toxins from the brain. The fat in bulletproof coffee almost certainly does affect how the terpenes in coffee - and caffeine - enter the brain.

When you get low-toxin coffee (holy crap, I created a way to make it and do actually sell it, so stop reading here, or I might pay for my blog that way!) - you can use the "fat effect" to get the cafestrol and kawehol into the brain more effectively. These are potent anti-inflammatories in the brain (not just anti-oxidants). You feel better and perform better when mild inflammation in the brain is reduced.

7f8bc7ce5c34aae50408d31812c839b0

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on September 27, 2012
at 02:48 PM

Hi Dave, I have been researching since posting this question and I've found nothing to support the idea that high fat and caffeine together is toxic. My question really stems from knowing that caffeine helps transport stuff into the brain and the energy felt is almost too good to be true. I'm a big fan and love the coffee. I'm drinking it right now - 20 oz coffee, 4 tbsp butter and 3 tbsp MCT oil. I credit this with stabilization of my BG and mood swings. I've been drinking it for some months and the other day my wife said, I'm different and much more pleasant to be around.

E45254f32389b6f8f56f1d7f335e616c

on November 18, 2012
at 05:22 AM

Thanks Scott - same here. No mechanism, no evidence I can find. My recipe is helping people get off ADD medication now too according to some accounts.

Bdb603fa3b1e2761c98047260f34b0e8

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on February 24, 2013
at 11:06 PM

Dave, what is your opinion on red virgin palm oil? I've been substituting it in place of grass fed butter for my bulletproof coffee (still use the MCT oil).

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A7768b6c6be7f5d6acc76e5efa66464c

on August 20, 2012
at 07:32 PM

There are known knowns; there are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns ??? there are things we do not know, we don't know.

D. Rumsfeld

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on August 20, 2012
at 10:52 PM

lame. lame. lame.

276a5e631b62f8e0793987c0496364bb

(1644)

on August 20, 2012
at 11:07 PM

Is it bad that I read this in Gin Rummy's voice? (From The Boondocks)

A08b210e4da7e69cd792bddc1f4aae4b

(1031)

on August 21, 2012
at 12:14 AM

One of my favourite quotes! It actually has a solid philosophical basis -- it was just his delivery that peeps found amusing.

A7768b6c6be7f5d6acc76e5efa66464c

on August 21, 2012
at 12:13 AM

Yes, Rumsfeld was lame alright.

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on August 21, 2012
at 04:28 AM

If my grandfather can live to be 103 eating mangoes, roti and pork, I think you'll be ok with coffee and fat. I think you need to consider how you feel before and after and chillax in the end with your bulletproof coffee. It's all good. You can quit coffee and fat today and your life to be taken away from you tomorrow.

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on August 21, 2012
at 03:14 AM

"any bad effects of coffee or caffiene + fat" -----

----- of course 'paleo' is not a verbatim 'replication' of human diet in paleolithic times (not that there was a single one, or such an attempt would be possible to begin with), ----- but, to quote dr. harris, an imitation of a metabolic milieu proper to what would have been experienced by fore-bearers of modern humans, ----- CAN you imagine a situation when a paleo person would have been in a metabolic milieu similar to that of drinking coffee mixed with mct oil???

i, for my part, cannot, and thus am unable to imagine that it may confer any particular benefit, but rather may - perhaps - be of some detriment akin to gulping pure hfcs

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on August 21, 2012
at 03:20 PM

@Amy sure, those two are not identical, but yet still are the same in a sense that they both induce rather unnatural metabolic conditions which have probably not been experienced by paleo people (akin to running a lawnmower on a rocket engine fuel)

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(8014)

on August 21, 2012
at 02:26 PM

Are you seriously comparing some coffee with heavy cream or coconut oil to "gulping pure high fructose corm syrup?" Wow.

E45254f32389b6f8f56f1d7f335e616c

on November 18, 2012
at 05:16 AM

It's a fair point - cavemen didn't have Bulletproof Coffee. Then again, they all died. The difference between Paleo and what I do on the BPE is that I don't care what paleo people may have eaten - I only care about what makes people feel great, perform well, and live a long time. Cavemen didn't have test tubes or mass spectrometers, but we do. Ignoring data from them would be...crazy.

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on September 17, 2016
at 03:01 AM

 Seriously? Dr Mercola called coffee a 'superdrink' and llsted at least 5 benefits to drinking it. 

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on February 24, 2013
at 10:58 PM

Malnutrition is neuro toxic. The mind and body require more nutrients than what is available in this fad diet. I work with eating disorder patients and see the effects of malnutrition everyday. I love these ingredients, but I do not agee with drinking this beverage everyday. Maybe one a week, but not everyday. The body and mind require balance. The amount of cholesterol also conserns me. Is being thin really worth having a heart attack or stroke?

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on February 24, 2013
at 11:04 PM

What specific nutrients do the mind and body require that might not be available?

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on August 22, 2012
at 04:48 AM

nope. no. negatory.

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on August 21, 2012
at 05:18 AM

4 tb of butter and 3 tb mct

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