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Bulletproofers - Thoughts on HeartMath emWave2?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created January 08, 2013 at 6:44 PM

Anyone try the HeartMath emWave 2 program offered over at bulletproofexec.com? Dave Asprey swears by this and I know it has good reviews, but I am interested in hearing personal experiences with it.

For those of you who have not tried it, what are your thoughts?

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on July 23, 2013
at 07:03 PM

Come on guys, it's a bargain compared to $1,495 for a whole vibration plate :O

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on July 23, 2013
at 05:09 PM

I love it. I used to stress out for days over the simplest of things but now nothing phases me. You won't see results overnight though. It took me about 2 months to really notice the benefit.

F02990386b12528111740ad6279ba29d

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on June 06, 2013
at 09:58 PM

Maybe. I wish there was a $5 app when I bought this.

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on June 05, 2013
at 12:03 AM

@Kyle - try out the $5 iphone app called StressDoctor and see how it compares

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on June 05, 2013
at 12:02 AM

Yessss that's twice in one day I'm a hero. Life is good...and I'm able to enjoy more of it thanks to my EmWave2!!!!

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on March 08, 2013
at 05:20 PM

@Travis - If you want to visit a snake charmer try an Art of Living class.

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on March 08, 2013
at 12:06 PM

As far as the marketing thing goes - best marketing is often a satisfied customer right? I'm honestly just giving my current thoughts and experiences on it. I've tried it both ways, have you?

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on March 08, 2013
at 12:04 PM

Completely disagree. The machine is literally teaching you to meditate. It's providing constant feedback so you know what is and what isn't putting you into that healthy state. So then, when you go to meditate without it, you know what you need to do. It's not about dependency, it's about efficiency. Old school way? I respect that, but aint nobody got time fo dat.

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on March 08, 2013
at 05:16 AM

Kyle, you sound like an advertiser for the company. I must be old school where learning to meditate was as much about the hard work and time you put into it as it was achieving the actual meditation. It's a discipline and an art and it can be beautiful. Now people can take shortcuts and jump right past learning to be patient and right into the actual meditation. If you're not willing to take the time and effort and practice to learn something then the achievement is wasted. Now you're dependent on a machine to help you meditate instead of being self-reliant.

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on March 08, 2013
at 12:05 AM

Participation in addition to fast-track to learning meditation. If you are an experienced meditator, I'm sure you don't need it. But for a beginner this is going to teach you much more quickly and provide constant feedback, therefore it is going to make the sessions more efficient. Agian, it's not about ability, it's about efficiency.

F02990386b12528111740ad6279ba29d

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on March 08, 2013
at 12:01 AM

Or you could save money and buy an emwave. It's about participation, not ability. Emwave increases participation for many, therefore it is a more effective tool than just plain meditation.

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on March 07, 2013
at 05:58 PM

Wow, hucksterism has come a long way. Are snakes producing less oil these days or something?

F02990386b12528111740ad6279ba29d

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on March 07, 2013
at 12:11 PM

No, hadn't seen that. I generally take a walk first thing in the morning and try to make a point to stare in the general direction as the sun, same thing?

5e36f73c3f95eb4ea13a009f4936449f

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on March 07, 2013
at 07:18 AM

Worrying about it not working that is.

5e36f73c3f95eb4ea13a009f4936449f

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on March 07, 2013
at 07:17 AM

What he said. If you don't have the spare cash to plunk down on this, the stress of dropping $200 on it and it not working probably would offset the gains. :)

705e66484ed64fe8e188123de398413e

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on March 07, 2013
at 06:21 AM

@kyle: have you tried a phillips golite? another fun toy can help sleep

F02990386b12528111740ad6279ba29d

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on March 02, 2013
at 06:10 PM

Not a waste of money, really like it.

F02990386b12528111740ad6279ba29d

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on March 02, 2013
at 06:09 PM

Got it. Big fan of it already.

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on February 22, 2013
at 05:19 PM

it's pretty obvious

F02990386b12528111740ad6279ba29d

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on February 22, 2013
at 01:11 AM

Right now I'm at the point where I'm willing to try ANYTHING at high price to improve sleep. It is worth a shot, buying it now.

F02990386b12528111740ad6279ba29d

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on February 22, 2013
at 01:07 AM

If it lives up to half of the hype it will pay for itself in 3 months.

F02990386b12528111740ad6279ba29d

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on February 22, 2013
at 01:06 AM

Honestly, no. I've just been researching them and am currently trying to talk myself into buying it. From what I can tell it basically is the fast track to efficient meditation and likely will increase participation. Also it seems like you could achieve the desired effects in less time than normal meditation. Heard many people talk of decrease sleep latency. Mostly anecdotal evidence though. Haven't seen any real research. Not to mention all of the research coming out lately on the benefit of monitoring heart rate variability which it looks like it could be potentially used for.

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on February 21, 2013
at 03:38 PM

Yeah but that EM wave 2 looks good. Do you have any experience with either?

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on February 21, 2013
at 03:38 PM

What makes you say that?

F02990386b12528111740ad6279ba29d

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on February 21, 2013
at 12:28 PM

Oh really? Thanks for letting me know. How do you relax?

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on February 21, 2013
at 05:18 AM

This looks like a huge waste of money.

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on February 21, 2013
at 02:00 AM

lol give me a break kyle. if you need an expensive piece of technology to achieve relaxation and positive emotions, there's something wrong with you.

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on February 21, 2013
at 01:59 AM

lol give me a break. if you need to buy an expensive piece of technology to achieve relaxation and calm, there's something wrong with you.

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on February 21, 2013
at 01:49 AM

If you need a machine and don’t buy it, then you will ultimately find that you have paid for it and don’t have it.

F02990386b12528111740ad6279ba29d

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on February 21, 2013
at 01:48 AM

If it works and you have the problems it fixes, you can't afford NOT to have it.

F02990386b12528111740ad6279ba29d

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on February 21, 2013
at 01:21 AM

Actually the emwave 1 has tons of bad reviews

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on March 07, 2013
at 06:18 AM

The EmWave2 is a fun biofeedback toy. You put your thumb finger on it or attach a sensor to your ear. It measures your heart rate and scores your meditation. If you have the disposable income and an urge to meditate, it can accelerate that practice. If you don't have $200 to throw around then try one of hundreds of other meditation techniques.

I'm sure it's pretty easy to return if it's not working for you.

For me, it worked pretty instantly. I've taken a number of meditation classes and the EmWave helps me get there faster.

If you have an iPhone there's another app called Stress Doctor that works slightly differently but possibly better. This app uses the camera on your phone as a heartbeat senser. The graphic it draws that you use for the biofeedback is much better than the EmWave2.

HeartMath also released an "inner balance" app+sensor that works with the iPhone. Have not tried it.

I'm not a huge fan of all the touchy feely heart love stuff on the HeartMath website, but if you look around there is at least some research behind Heart Rate Variability. When the EmWave gives you positive feedback, it corresponds to a specific HRV. You can even export the data from the EmWave and import it into free HRV tools and do analysis on those frequencies yourself.

5e36f73c3f95eb4ea13a009f4936449f

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on March 07, 2013
at 07:17 AM

What he said. If you don't have the spare cash to plunk down on this, the stress of dropping $200 on it and it not working probably would offset the gains. :)

5e36f73c3f95eb4ea13a009f4936449f

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on March 07, 2013
at 07:18 AM

Worrying about it not working that is.

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on August 10, 2013
at 01:44 PM

You could probably do the same thing with a very cheap heart rate monitor, or a pulse oximeter. Both can be had for around $20-$30.

There are cheap watches that do this, or free apps that use the camera on your phone to do this.

I like the pulse oximeter best since it shows a nice graph of your heart rate, and it clips on your finger and stays there, where as with the watches or phone cameras, you have to press your finger tightly around the sensor/camera, which gives you a tiny bit more stress.

Sure, you won't get details on heart rate variability (I'm sure it's just that the software on these devices doesn't have the right code yet, or there might be patent issues), but you can see your heart rate drop as you relax and meditate.

So you can you get 80% of the way using a $20 device vs a $200 device? I think so.

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on June 04, 2013
at 09:57 PM

Kyle, you're my hero.

F02990386b12528111740ad6279ba29d

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on June 05, 2013
at 12:02 AM

Yessss that's twice in one day I'm a hero. Life is good...and I'm able to enjoy more of it thanks to my EmWave2!!!!

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on March 07, 2013
at 03:30 AM

My thoughts are:

It's a ridiculously expensive machine to do such a simple thing.

If you can't relax without the use of a ridiculously expensive machine then you should seek the help of a professional to review underlying issues.

If you can't take charge of your emotional reactions, which this thing claims to help you do, then you should also seek some sort of additional help.

There are no quick fixes in life and if you are stressed, can't sleep, can't emotionally react properly to things, you should reconsider what you're doing in life. Find what your stresses are and find what relieves stress for you. I personally like chamomile tea and stretching but, that's just me.

F02990386b12528111740ad6279ba29d

(1363)

on March 08, 2013
at 12:04 PM

Completely disagree. The machine is literally teaching you to meditate. It's providing constant feedback so you know what is and what isn't putting you into that healthy state. So then, when you go to meditate without it, you know what you need to do. It's not about dependency, it's about efficiency. Old school way? I respect that, but aint nobody got time fo dat.

F02990386b12528111740ad6279ba29d

(1363)

on March 08, 2013
at 12:05 AM

Participation in addition to fast-track to learning meditation. If you are an experienced meditator, I'm sure you don't need it. But for a beginner this is going to teach you much more quickly and provide constant feedback, therefore it is going to make the sessions more efficient. Agian, it's not about ability, it's about efficiency.

F02990386b12528111740ad6279ba29d

(1363)

on March 08, 2013
at 12:01 AM

Or you could save money and buy an emwave. It's about participation, not ability. Emwave increases participation for many, therefore it is a more effective tool than just plain meditation.

582e89904fef55ad5c7dac673653ef8c

(281)

on March 08, 2013
at 05:16 AM

Kyle, you sound like an advertiser for the company. I must be old school where learning to meditate was as much about the hard work and time you put into it as it was achieving the actual meditation. It's a discipline and an art and it can be beautiful. Now people can take shortcuts and jump right past learning to be patient and right into the actual meditation. If you're not willing to take the time and effort and practice to learn something then the achievement is wasted. Now you're dependent on a machine to help you meditate instead of being self-reliant.

F02990386b12528111740ad6279ba29d

(1363)

on March 08, 2013
at 12:06 PM

As far as the marketing thing goes - best marketing is often a satisfied customer right? I'm honestly just giving my current thoughts and experiences on it. I've tried it both ways, have you?

F02990386b12528111740ad6279ba29d

(1363)

on June 06, 2013
at 09:58 PM

Maybe. I wish there was a $5 app when I bought this.

705e66484ed64fe8e188123de398413e

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on June 05, 2013
at 12:03 AM

@Kyle - try out the $5 iphone app called StressDoctor and see how it compares

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on August 10, 2013
at 02:20 PM

Any man who claims that i can sleep 4 hrs a night, for health. With the aid of MCT, collagen, whey, cocktails of course... O hey he sells em!? that is convenient.

Any man who tells me my home ferments are making me fat. Sauerkraut, Kombucha, pickles, on the no list... sir i bid you good day.

Any man whos advice almost always involves his product.

Well that is a man that sets of my ancestral instincts, my mind turns to the word fraud.

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on August 10, 2013
at 07:41 AM

Kyle dont listen to the nah-sayers. I work in a constant stimulating environment full of sick patients, artificial light, long hours and shifts that don't work with a mammalian sleep pattern. I have an EmWave and it not only helps me decompress but it enhances my body's ability to do the same thing naturally. I have seen my resting heart rate decrease, my feelings of work being stressful or unmanageable be obliterated with one session during or after my shift. I noticed a decrease in disagreements with my beautiful girlfriend. Back to the enhancing - it improves my sleep quality and eating patterns, I eat what I need to and during sleep I achieve more deep and restorative REM sleep - quicker to sleep, less light sleep and more restful upon waking. I have quantified proof that through controlling variables and integrating the EmWave 2 - the device is sound.

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on July 23, 2013
at 04:26 PM

I own one, and its really helped me with my day to day anxiety. I had and still do meditate without the emwave but I find I can get deeper faster with it, especially if im frazzled.

Myth you not oldschool, you are just wrong. Dont confuse the moon with the finger pointing to it.

Its on sale now and 169 dollars is worth my health.

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on February 21, 2013
at 01:40 AM

lol... my thoughts on it are that I can't afford it.

F02990386b12528111740ad6279ba29d

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on February 21, 2013
at 01:49 AM

If you need a machine and don’t buy it, then you will ultimately find that you have paid for it and don’t have it.

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on February 21, 2013
at 01:59 AM

lol give me a break. if you need to buy an expensive piece of technology to achieve relaxation and calm, there's something wrong with you.

2e6e673ce3eb647407d260d4d57a731b

(1021)

on February 21, 2013
at 02:00 AM

lol give me a break kyle. if you need an expensive piece of technology to achieve relaxation and positive emotions, there's something wrong with you.

F02990386b12528111740ad6279ba29d

(1363)

on February 21, 2013
at 01:48 AM

If it works and you have the problems it fixes, you can't afford NOT to have it.

F02990386b12528111740ad6279ba29d

(1363)

on February 21, 2013
at 12:28 PM

Oh really? Thanks for letting me know. How do you relax?

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F02990386b12528111740ad6279ba29d

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on February 21, 2013
at 01:20 AM

I've never heard anything bad about it. besides this one 2 star review:

http://www.amazon.com/EmWave-6310-BL-Emwave2-Silver-Blue/product-reviews/B004YHKUX2/ref=cm_cr_dp_qt_hist_two?ie=UTF8&filterBy=addTwoStar&showViewpoints=0

Lots of good feedback on amazon.

F02990386b12528111740ad6279ba29d

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on February 22, 2013
at 01:07 AM

If it lives up to half of the hype it will pay for itself in 3 months.

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on February 21, 2013
at 03:38 PM

Yeah but that EM wave 2 looks good. Do you have any experience with either?

F02990386b12528111740ad6279ba29d

(1363)

on February 22, 2013
at 01:06 AM

Honestly, no. I've just been researching them and am currently trying to talk myself into buying it. From what I can tell it basically is the fast track to efficient meditation and likely will increase participation. Also it seems like you could achieve the desired effects in less time than normal meditation. Heard many people talk of decrease sleep latency. Mostly anecdotal evidence though. Haven't seen any real research. Not to mention all of the research coming out lately on the benefit of monitoring heart rate variability which it looks like it could be potentially used for.

F02990386b12528111740ad6279ba29d

(1363)

on February 21, 2013
at 01:21 AM

Actually the emwave 1 has tons of bad reviews

F02990386b12528111740ad6279ba29d

(1363)

on February 22, 2013
at 01:11 AM

Right now I'm at the point where I'm willing to try ANYTHING at high price to improve sleep. It is worth a shot, buying it now.

F02990386b12528111740ad6279ba29d

(1363)

on March 02, 2013
at 06:09 PM

Got it. Big fan of it already.

F02990386b12528111740ad6279ba29d

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on March 07, 2013
at 12:11 PM

No, hadn't seen that. I generally take a walk first thing in the morning and try to make a point to stare in the general direction as the sun, same thing?

705e66484ed64fe8e188123de398413e

(1013)

on March 07, 2013
at 06:21 AM

@kyle: have you tried a phillips golite? another fun toy can help sleep

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